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February 24, 2009

Sue Bradford in the hour of chaos

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 8:58 am

Via DPF, Rob Hosking over at NBR is picking Metiria Turei to replace Jeanette Fitzsimons as Green co-leader. This seems to be the conventional wisdom, based partly on the notion that Bradford is too badly damaged by the anti-smacking amendment and partly because Turei seems to have at least a passing interest in environmental issues, a quality that is curiously absent in many  Green Party MP’s.

I suspect Bradford will win this one. She’s easily their most effective and formidable MP, and while the smacking bill was wildly unpopular with most of the population it seems to have enjoyed considerable support from within the Green Party itself, and the party members are the ones who get to choose their leaders.

I hope they keep Fitzsimons on for as long as they can – I love watching her tearing climate change deniers into shreds whenever the subject comes up in election debates.

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17 Comments »

  1. I do think Bradford would be a mistake.

    I think at some level voters have to actually ‘like’ the person they are voting for, Bradford might be respected but I don’t think she comes across as likeale.

    But then what do I know? I oscillate between thinking the Greens are heros and are going to save us from ourselves and thinking they are bunch of nutters that want us to make our own clothes and only have one bath a week.

    Comment by ieuan — February 24, 2009 @ 9:24 am

  2. Savvy Greens would look to increasing their support-base (especially after their last dismal outing) – Bradford would certainly be something of a dead-weight (or worse) in that respect.

    My feeling is that the Greens are not very savvy however…

    Comment by Sam — February 24, 2009 @ 9:49 am

  3. I hope they keep Fitzsimons on for as long as they can – I love watching her tearing climate change deniers into shreds whenever the subject comes up in election debates.

    As I/S said:

    …I also like her because she’s an unashamed wonk who seriously knows her stuff. It’s a rare quality in a politician – Bill Birch reportedly didn’t even know how to read a graph – and Fitzsimons has raised the level of public debate on energy policy and climate change.

    It is often necessary for politicians to eschew ‘details’ for the big picture…the world needs more wonks!

    Comment by StephenR — February 24, 2009 @ 9:55 am

  4. Actually it’s entirely possible Norman will be The Nerd, having a PhD and all.

    Comment by StephenR — February 24, 2009 @ 10:26 am

  5. Well Bradford does have a MA and a post grad DipJourn and Turei has a law degree so they arent exactly “nerdless”. BUt TUrei understands law and policy better than Bradford.

    Comment by dave — February 24, 2009 @ 10:46 am

  6. nerds left right and centre

    Comment by StephenR — February 24, 2009 @ 10:55 am

  7. Not believing in climate change is different from being stuck with that ‘denier’ label. It is well documented that many scientists also do not believe in climate chante, there is as much proof against as for, after all, no one calls a non-relgious person a ‘denier.’ It’s nothing but a condescening label, a typical leftie name-calling tactic. I believe that climate change is a hoax, all about creating ‘green’ taxes and fear-mongering.

    Comment by Tans — February 24, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

  8. I really think that there male/female leadership policy is awful – lets disregard merit and potentially saddle ourselves with second-rate. Whatever. The perfect anti-feminist condescension if you ask me (which quite rightly, no one has).

    I’d love to see them deal with a transgendered candidate…

    Comment by Sam — February 24, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

  9. I believe that climate change is a hoax, all about creating ‘green’ taxes and fear-mongering.

    Yeah, well you would believe that, wouldn’t you?

    Comment by georgedarroch — February 24, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

  10. I really think that there male/female leadership policy is awful – lets disregard merit and potentially saddle ourselves with second-rate.

    The suggestion that having a male and female leader means being saddled with someone second rate is actually a huge bit of condescension from you.

    Comment by georgedarroch — February 24, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

  11. I really think that there male/female leadership policy is awful

    Reminds of a question that’s been bugging me for some time; can transgender people apply for both co-leader jobs?

    Comment by Will de Cleene — February 24, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

  12. Idiot S:“Bill Birch reportedly didn’t even know how to read a graph”
    He could and probably still can. I saw him do it with great accuracy and some times scary results.
    On the transgender issue in the Greens, I think that would be a debate which could have the Greens torn up in knots for months. It would be lovely to watch.
    It would be a bit of a variant on the the old (and now probably unacceptable) joke — How do you confuse an Irish man? put two shovels down and ask them to take their pick.

    Comment by Ian Llewellyn — February 24, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

  13. GeorgeD – if you want to take me to task, then at least take into account the fact that I said ‘potentially’. Do you really think it impossible that there might ‘potentially’ be a situation where the two most suitable contenders are both male (or female)? Or do you think that all people are equally qualified for the job? (perhaps you are taking your socialist tendencies waaay too far…)

    Having an explicit gender-based policy is only necessary if you think that: a) a woman is not good enough to get to the top without it (which is completely condescending to women); b) that the mechanisms of the current party system discriminate against women (which is condescending to their own party support base); or c) that men and women bring something different to the leadership (which is getting pretty close to gender stereotyping – i.e. condescending to everyone). There may once have been a need for such policy, but now it is rather antiquated.

    Comment by Sam — February 25, 2009 @ 9:14 am

  14. Sam, it’s more that having two leaders is A Good Thing as far the Greens are concerned, and thus having a male and female in either position makes sense. This isn’t to say that a woman wouldn’t rise to the top if there was just a single position, but that such a system isn’t what they want. It also means two different styles, women and men, run things slightly differently (as you note) and this is no bad thing. To say that women and men are different is only condescending if you think that different means lesser, which I’m sure you don’t.

    Comment by georgedarroch — February 25, 2009 @ 11:21 am

  15. Seems DPF has taken massive exception to I/S’s Bill Birch comment
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/sir_william_birch.html
    Would probably defer to him on that.

    Comment by StephenR — February 25, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

  16. “thus having a male and female in either position makes sense” – why exactly

    …to say that women and men are different is condescending in that you immediately pigeon-hole either into a gender specific stereotype that just may not apply (irrespective of whether you value one over the other)

    Comment by Sam — February 26, 2009 @ 9:19 am

  17. An excellent post marred by the dig at “non-believers”

    Are people who don’t believe in socialism also “deniers”? I guess it depends on who’s dishing out the denigration and how much you hope that abuse will con the gullible into believing what they’re told.

    For what it’s worth I hope Sue wins as well. Parliament is nowhere near as much fun without Winston and a turbo-charged Sue Bradford would perk things up no end.

    Comment by Lawrence Hakiwai — February 27, 2009 @ 12:25 pm


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