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November 25, 2009

Coup de theatre

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 10:59 am

Hard to say how seriously to take this talk of a Maori Party revolt against the ETS: almost everything this party says and does seems strange and opaque to me. I understand Turia is recovering from a surgical operation today: unfortunate timing. The rhetoric from unnamed sources within the party sounds robust:

“The question needs to be asked, do we want to be remembered as a party that gave future generations a horrendous debt, or do we want to be known as a party that took a principled stand against a terrible scheme?” the party source said.

It would be a bitter blow for Turia if the party tore itself apart before it could consolidate it’s gains on the foreshore and seabed.

UPDATE: Stuff is now reporting that the Maori Party will vote for the bill although my understanding is that one member (Harawira?) is abstaining. The ETS strikes me as the kind of policy that’s going to be an open wound for the government, bleeding them support every time a new announcement or report comes out on how much it’s cost taxpayers, so Labour are probably a bit relieved that it’s gone through (although they’ll have the unenviable task of pricing carbon into the economy when they eventually get back into power).

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17 Comments »

  1. What does it matter? Climate change is just a giant fraud perpetrated by the scientists of the world to make Al Gore rich.

    Comment by George Darroch — November 25, 2009 @ 11:24 am

  2. What does it matter? Anthropomorphic Climate change is just a giant fraud perpetrated by Common Purpose to secure power.

    What?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — November 25, 2009 @ 12:11 pm

  3. Tell me about it, George. Those poor bastards over at ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP and Shell have really been suffering, with their annual profits that exceed the GDP of most countries.

    Clearly, the scam is working – I mean, governments are making themselves unpopular with green taxes and emissions trading schemes to fund projects that no-one needs or wants. And I heard on some blogs that a few research scientists got grants to continue their research. Government grants. It’s a whole new industry based on unpopular decisions, green taxation for green projects and a whole huge mound of stupid.

    Comment by Chris C — November 25, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

  4. “… almost everything this party says and does seems strange and opaque to me.”

    Let me help. Here are the Maori Party principles and objectives, including their well-researched policy on climate change, in full:

    “Last cab off the rank? Fuck them.”

    That’s all you need to know.

    Comment by sammy — November 25, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

  5. A few of the comments that get thrown about from members of the Maori Party has me wondering if one of their key criteria at the moment is “how do we fuck Labour over again?”
    It seems like a lot of the discussion that comes from them is “it’s rich for Labour to…” or “well Labour had their chance didn’t they…”

    Comment by garethw — November 25, 2009 @ 12:46 pm

  6. A few of the comments that get thrown about from members of the Maori Party has me wondering if one of their key criteria at the moment is “how do we fuck Labour over again?”

    And on the flipside, most of the comments that get thrown about from members of the Labour Party have me wondering if one of their key criteria at the moment is “how do we fuck the Maori Party over again?”.

    Comment by George Darroch — November 25, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

  7. True George. How wonderful that personal political feelings are driving our major response to climate change.

    Comment by garethw — November 25, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

  8. The trouble for the Maori Party with it’s feud with Labour is electorally it is bringing a plastic spoon to a gunfight.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 25, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

  9. And now the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment is pleading for them not to pass it. I don’t get how Labour or the Greens are so marginal on this – have they burnt all political trust on this?

    Comment by garethw — November 25, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

  10. Sanctuary: Tell that to Mahara Okeroa, Dover Samuels, John Tamihere, Errol Mason, Mita Ririnui, Louisa Wall and Kelvin Davis.

    L

    Comment by Lew — November 25, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

  11. Lew,

    Mahara Okeroa leading all the greats.

    Comment by piglet — November 25, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

  12. piglet, spent a moment trying to figure out what the hell you meant by that, but yeah — I guess they would make a pretty strong episode of Maorioke, wouldn’t they?

    L

    Comment by Lew — November 25, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

  13. The trouble for the Maori Party with it’s feud with Labour is electorally it is bringing a plastic spoon to a gunfight.

    Labour’s only shooting blanks.

    Comment by Phil — November 25, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

  14. Labour’s only shooting blanks – how could you say that when Hoss Goff is riding into town, swinging his big iron supported by the bumbling bullies of Duckboy and FullMoon King. LOL.

    Comment by expat — November 25, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

  15. The Maori Party is now a political cripple. It is more likely to lose seats in 2011, not win them.

    Everyone has criticised Labour for attacking the Maori Party rather than seeking a compromise with them, yet the shambolic behaviour of Sharples, the pure malice of Turia and the loose cannon that is Hone has to my mind vindicated their not-with-a-barge-pole approach. Let’s face it – in the eyes of the public the Maori Party as now seen as a bunch of crooked and slightly foolish bauble lovers who use race as a tool to advance the interests of their rich brown backers at the cost of everyone else. If Labour had a project to detach the Maori Party from it’s working class Maori base, and forment internal dissent, then it has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams.

    Labour was always going to succeeed in it’s campaign against the Maori Party because depending on the state of the political tide anything from 3-5 out of ten New Zealanders vote for them – whereas you’d have to assemble fifty or more New Zealanders before you could be sure to find a Maori Party voter. The reason Hone’s email was so damaging was because it confirmed what most white voters where inclined to suspect all along – Tariana and Hone hate white people. Many, many, many more people are therefore always going to be inclined to believe what Labour tells them about the Maori Party than were ever going to believe anything the Maori Party said about Labour. This is what I meant by bringing a plastic spoon to a political gunfight.

    But their is a wider point. Electorally “Maori” MP’s (as opposed to MP’s who happen to be Maori) are a poisoned chalice for the two centre parties in New Zealand, who must retain the support of the white middle class to govern. White middle New Zealand does not like race based politics. Race was used by Brash to get National back in the game. Hone Hawawira has done the same favour to Labour. Who knows what further damage the Maori party will do over the next two years to the popularity of this government.

    Last cab of the rank doesn’t seem such a silly idea after all.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 26, 2009 @ 7:59 am

  16. LOL, grasp the other straw brother. The MP are here to stay and will keep their Maori electorate seats primarily because Labour have gone out of their way to try and screw them. No amount of talk from Labour the MP being on the verge of collapse will make it true. A nice thought for the inbred and imploding Labour party but nothing short of wishful thinking.

    Comment by expat — November 26, 2009 @ 8:10 am

  17. If Labour had a project to detach the Maori Party from it’s working class Maori base, and forment internal dissent, then it has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams.

    The Labour bods aren’t effective enough to pull off something like that. This political shambles is all the Maori Party’s doing.

    Just proves that if you leave a party to govern, it’ll trip over its own feet before too long. It’s one of the givens in democracies.

    Comment by Ataahua — November 26, 2009 @ 8:49 am


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