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March 28, 2010

Sunday Bobbleheads

Filed under: media,Politics — danylmc @ 6:18 am

Earth Hour: I couldn’t think of anything siller than sitting in the dark for an hour to ‘raise awareness of climate change,’ but the intellectual giants of our right-wing blogosphere have: they spent Saturday night turning on all their lights, opening their curtains and switching their heating on. We should have an environmental awareness campaign in which everyone is encouraged not to drink drain cleaner. We’d raise our average national IQ by a dozen points in a matter of minutes.

The SST have a couple of scoops this week: they stalked an Auckland Mayor on Thursday night:

By chance, the Star-Times observed [North Shore Mayor Andrew] Williams drinking barside at Takapuna’s GPK bar and restaurant around 10pm on Thursday. He talked to a couple at the popular eatery and could be heard referring to himself in the third person. He said he was North Shore’s mayor and enjoyed his role.

Inquiries with two bar staff revealed Williams had been drinking red wine at the establishment since 4pm. Six hours later Williams left GPK alone and headed down Hurstmere Rd towards the offices of the North Shore City Council, where he has been mayor since 2007.

On his way he stopped, pulled down his trousers and urinated on a tree outside the council offices.

Williams then headed for the council underground carpark, collected his mayoral vehicle and drove home to Campbells Bay, a 6km trip.

They probably should have called the police. I wonder if they decided not to because it might have compromised their exclusive? Still a good story.

The SST’s Jonathan Marshall also wins the race to be first journalist publishing a story with the words ‘Terry Serepisos’, ‘convicted’ and ‘serious drug offences’ in the lead. The offenses relate to Serepisios’ brother.

Paula Bennett appears to have exhausted her repertoire of media strategies rather early in her career. What ever happened to that Privacy Commission enquiry?

TV3s The Nation is already veering into Campbell Live/Close Up territory with an upcoming feature on ‘the nude’. Classy.

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74 Comments »

  1. Paula Bennett appears to have exhausted her repertoire of media strategies rather early in her career.

    Oldy but very much a goody. Ouuuuuutrageous.

    Comment by StephenR — March 28, 2010 @ 8:50 am

  2. The williams story has a bit more to come yet. The journo is holding back a bit more waiting for the pro forma indignant denials from Williams before the next kick in the teeth.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — March 28, 2010 @ 9:20 am

  3. Call me right wing, but we ran all our house lights last night as well as illuminating every outside security light and the deck, where we ate a delicious dinner with the stereo going. Outside in the drive we had 2 cars running with the headlights on full and the hazard lights going. Every 10 minutes or so we headed down to them and blasted the horns (2 horns are better than one because the resonance set up by the two different frequencies really carries).

    A few houses away a guy had all his lights on and he revved his boat’s big outboard in answer to our horns.

    Up the road we could hear whistling and shouting and even an overtly socialist/greenie type we are great friends with (seriously!)seemed to have his lights on too… but he didn’t rev his engines or anything.

    Danyl, this kind of response is NOT childish or stupid. It is a GENUINE and INTELLIGENT response to the mind-control nannies who started all this bullshit in the first place.

    You wrote “I couldn’t think of anything siller than sitting in the dark for an hour to ‘raise awareness of climate change,’”. Well, the whole stupid Earth Hour idea is only a STATEMENT anyway, so lets allow others who see through it to make their statements too, eh?

    I am proud to be human and I am proud of the scientific and tehnological progress that humanity has achieved and I am damned if I am going to cringe in fear and guilt for any fucking green wanker.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 9:22 am

  4. Oh dear.
    I on the other hand ignored the whole nonsense (from both sides). I did however spare a thought for the poor saps in the control rooms at national grid buildings freaking out as they tried to figure out how to manage instant massive demand when the mung bean eating mongtards all switched their vulgatron 3000’s back on simultaneously.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — March 28, 2010 @ 9:35 am

  5. Danyl, this kind of response is NOT childish or stupid.

    It’s pretty much the definition of childish and stupid. Problem is that a big part of being a juvenile idiot is an inability to recognise the fact.

    Comment by Danyl Mclauchlan — March 28, 2010 @ 9:50 am

  6. Whereas I simply ate drift netted fish and GM potato chips cooked in whale lard that was heated with coal fired electricity while watching Westerns on a 50 inch LCD TV.

    Fuck the Greens and fuck AGW extremists.

    An interesting article on climate – http://news.softpedia.com/news/Atlantic-Conveyor-Belt-at-Full-Speed-138523.shtml

    Comment by daveo — March 28, 2010 @ 9:51 am

  7. TV3s The Nation is already veering into Campbell Live/Close Up territory with an upcoming feature on ‘the nude’. Classy.

    Ha. I knew it. After what was said about The Nation last week, I figured I’d have to check this week.

    The Sunday morning repeat is different from the Saturday morning live showing. To make up for the ads they can’t show, they Have Michael Wilson repeat some stuff from the business news earlier in the week – this doesn’t appear on Saturday.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — March 28, 2010 @ 9:59 am

  8. Thanks for the compliment Danyl. At my age, being called ‘juvenile’ gives me hope and joy and indicates that I still have positivity and a sense of fun :-)

    It feels great to be so juvenile.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 10:06 am

  9. Dave Mann – yeah, that’s fucking stupid, immature, and childish. How can you in any possible way say that it’s not. Man. That’s just… wow.

    (and I just went about my business as usual. Ignore things you think are stupid)

    Comment by Eddie C — March 28, 2010 @ 10:09 am

  10. Dave Mann:
    “Danyl, this kind of response is NOT childish or stupid. It is a GENUINE and INTELLIGENT response to the mind-control nannies who started all this bullshit in the first place.”

    So, in order to show your independence of thought and refusal to be cowed into following a particular political line, you decided to take part in a collective display called for by a particular political organisation … http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10634584.

    Excellent.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 28, 2010 @ 10:15 am

  11. Interesting set of comments this morning. Like you, Danyl, I largely ignored the whole thing. I don’t normally have lots of lights and appliances on anyway, as I prefer to be frugal in my power usage – saves ME money. So let others use lots of power and pay for it.

    It seems that mostly the anthropogenic climate change deniers are the main ones playing silly bugger in response to the silly Earth Hour. I liked the comments from Martin Lord Rees yesterday on National Radio. He commented, as I have in the past, that it is a simple matter of physics – as CO2, a greenhouse gas, increases in concentration, it MUST trap more energy. That statement ALONE should make us act prudently, even without the modelling predictions of its impacts. As Lord Rees said, he would expect greater variability, due to the greater energy in the system.

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 10:20 am

  12. What’s worse than someone who knowingly goes out of their way to increase energy usage to well beyond a sustainable level and forces his “I know my fucking rights!” noise pollution on his neighbours?

    Someone who does all that under the delusion that they’re right and then calls it “intelligent”.

    Wake up Mann, there’s better things to fight for.

    Comment by Dav — March 28, 2010 @ 10:56 am

  13. Call me right wing, but we ran all our house lights last night…

    Where does this fit within the pantheon of right-thought?

    Comment by StephenR — March 28, 2010 @ 11:18 am

  14. Don’t ask me about wings, StephenR…. it was Danyl who broached the subject in his post with “the intellectual giants of our right-wing blogosphere”.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 11:29 am

  15. That’s ‘coz they are right wing Dave. Co-incidentally they’re morons.

    Dave, you’re right wing.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — March 28, 2010 @ 11:41 am

  16. Dav your comment about “increase energy usage to well beyond a sustainable level” was, frankly, just pathetic.

    I feel sorry for people with such poor depressed closed minds, whose utter lack of vision and positivity drives them to think like this. Your world must be a terribly frightening place, mate.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 11:56 am

  17. Have you invented cold fusion Dave? Amazing.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — March 28, 2010 @ 11:59 am

  18. If the lefties (righties) spent as much of their time (energy) doing something useful to improve the environment as they’ve expended on this ‘earth hour’ wank-fest, the world we be a whole lot better off.

    Comment by Phil — March 28, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

  19. “as CO2, a greenhouse gas, increases in concentration, it MUST trap more energy”

    Well, thats the theory. But there seems to be an awful dearth of, you know, evidence proving that it is happening in our atmosphere.
    There’s heaps of stuff that folk claim happen as a result of GW, but as no one has actually proven* there has been any warming (other than us exiting the last ice age perhaps) due to co2.

    (*We do have some hand-pick statistical series, parts chosen while they appear to correlate to co2 levels, dropped when they don’t. The authors call this a “trick” in their emails. LOL. Their other trick was to hand-pick Russian temperature data, excluding all that shows no warming or even cooling.)

    Comment by Clunking Fist — March 28, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

  20. It’s the Dunning–Kruger effect that Dave Mann looks to be suffering from.

    Comment by cha — March 28, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  21. No, Guy, I haven’t invented cold fusion.

    What’s more, NOBODY is going to be ABLE to invent it if humanity decides that using energy to power civilisation and progress has been an awful mistake, will they?

    Fuck, there are some really stupid depressed sick minds out there. How did they grab such a hold on humanity’s collective consciousness?

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  22. You are so right, Dave. Those promoting climate change awareness are totally saying that we should stop using all electricity. And you, you alone can see the truth behind their pathetic cries of “the world is warming and if we don’t figure out how to adapt/stop it we’re all fucked.” You should set up a newsletter or something.

    Comment by QoT — March 28, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

  23. No one has decided that energy usage is an awful mistake Dave. It’s just that most of us have realised there are costs to using it and we should look for ways to conserve and find sustainable sources. You obviously haven’t. There’s a reason for this, but I’m too polite to point out what it is.

    Sorry, what QoT said.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — March 28, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  24. Don’t you see? In Daves reality, dirty, stupid, educated, scientifically literate leftists are FORCING him to be more energy efficient, saving money. Hating thrift and fiscal responsibility, he resists. The cognitive dissonance must be amazing.

    Incidentally, Ayn Rand insisted that her follows chain smoke, in order to display something akin to “…the scientific and tehnological progress that humanity has achieved…”

    Comment by The PC Avenger — March 28, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

  25. My first attempt at this comment disappeared into the vacuum of space. Let’s try this again …

    You know, I said NOTHING about the statistical evidence for “warming”, first of all because in general it’s the wrong term, and secondly because I was talking about the basic physics. Venus is much closer to the Sun AND has loads of CO2, and thus has surface temperatures of 100’s of C. In the past, when the Earth had high CO2 levels, it had ON AVERAGE warmer temperatures _globally_. (Note the emphasis.) It doesn’t matter, as one scientist pointed out recently (I don’t have the citation in front of me here at home), there is a direct correlation, so it doesn’t matter which causes which or which came first. They are correlated in the Earth’s climatic record. PERIOD.

    As for the THEORY that CO2 is a greenhouse gas – nope entirely based on measurements of its absorption of energy. No theory involved, all experiment.

    As for the increased energy, it will make the atmosphere more energetic (duh!), and so we can expect greater variability, more storms, bigger storms, more years with no big storms, etc. In other words, less predictability. And THAT is what I think is scary. If it were simply a “warmer” Earth, then I would be less concerned, but it’s not that simple.

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 1:38 pm

  26. “as CO2, a greenhouse gas, increases in concentration, it MUST trap more energy”

    Well, thats the theory. But there seems to be an awful dearth of, you know, evidence proving that it is happening in our atmosphere.
    There’s heaps of stuff that folk claim happen as a result of GW, but as no one has actually proven* there has been any warming (other than us exiting the last ice age perhaps) due to co2.

    (*We do have some hand-pick statistical series, parts chosen while they appear to correlate to co2 levels, dropped when they don’t. The authors call this a “trick” in their emails. LOL. Their other trick was to hand-pick Russian temperature data, excluding all that shows no warming or even cooling.)

    Comment by Clunking Fist — March 28, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

    Clunking Brain, more like. I know I should ignore such profound ignorance but I’ve never been great at resisting temptation.

    Contrary to their being a “dearth” of evidence that CO2 increase atmospheric temperature, their are thousands of peer reviewed articles published on the matter, but not one proving the opposite using the same data.

    The ‘trick’ you refer to did not involve CO2. It was about temperature and all the scientist did was to replace erroneous readings with the actual temperatures from the instrumental record. It is a well known phenomenom observed elsewhere, and it is reasonable to posit that modern temperature rise is causing the tree rings to become misleading.

    And you also appear ignorant of the background in that Briffa simply picked up existing data and subjected it to new analysis. He had nothing to do with tree selection.

    There are hundreds of lines of enquiry that show the planet is warming, and while you can argue the toss about the cause and effects, you can’t deny facts.

    Here is another demonstration of that fact, not a tree ring in sight.

    Comment by Luc Hansen — March 28, 2010 @ 1:44 pm

  27. You know, you guys using THE GREAT RUNES are doing such a great job of demonstrating just how NOT childish and stupid and how GENUINE and INTELLIGENT your positions are, PERIOD.

    L

    Comment by Lew — March 28, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

  28. Mann overboard

    Comment by Dav — March 28, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

  29. Hmmm. Odd. Having problems making comments that register.

    Trying again …
    As usual, I wonder why I bother. The lack of scientific understanding in our society is sad and sadly alarming, and I should never expect people who have invested so much time and energy into a given viewpoint to do more than make uninformed comment that is based entirely on views and comments with which they already agree. I should never attempt to introduce simple concepts like conservation of energy, basic thermodynamics, basic chemistry and physics. Still … I tilt at windmills.

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

  30. Don’t ask me about wings, StephenR…. it was Danyl who broached the subject in his post with “the intellectual giants of our right-wing blogosphere”

    Well yes I see what you mean. Ideally one’s ‘wing’ wouldn’t matter o well.

    Comment by StephenR — March 28, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

  31. “The lack of scientific understanding in our society is sad and sadly alarming.”

    After your comments in this thread, you can say that with a straight face? Dear lord, what is alarming is your lack of self-awareness.

    Comment by Eddie C — March 28, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

  32. Unfortunately, this entire thread of discussion most likely is a complete waste of time.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2010/mar/08/belief-in-climate-change-science

    Unless, of course, typing insults at one another with no chance of impacting on changing anyone’s mind is your definition of a good afternoon’s work. Dave Mann, step on up …

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 28, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

  33. Oh Andrew, thats priceless!

    George Monbiot writes a puff piece in the Guardian and therefore it follows that all discussion about AGW is a waste of time. Geez what a brilliant mind you have.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

  34. Call me right wing, but we ran all our house lights last night…

    Where does this fit within the pantheon of right-thought?

    Presumably, right-wingers are in favour of conspicuous consumption.

    Comment by Repton — March 28, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

  35. “It is a GENUINE and INTELLIGENT response to the mind-control nannies”

    Yes. There are mind control nannies and this is a genuine and intelligent response to that fact…

    “I am proud to be human and I am proud of the scientific and tehnological progress that humanity has achieved and I am damned if I am going to cringe in fear and guilt for any fucking green wanker.”

    I am really stoked to be benefiting from the technological progress that scientific discoveries have allowed but I’ll be damned if I’m going to believe anything scientists say that might threaten my wasteful way of life.

    So Dave Mann just how long do you think our race can carry on with exponentially increasing energy use?

    Comment by nommopilot — March 28, 2010 @ 2:57 pm

  36. Yes, Eddie C, I can. I am first and foremost a scientist, and I let the data tell me its story without imposing my own. My most exciting discoveries have been the ones that yielded unexpected results, that went against the existing paradigm or thinking. So CO2 is a greenhouse gas, as is methane; they are the epitome of greenhouse gases. The term was created to explain the observations associated with their characteristics, and the effects that they have. The implications of their greenhouse natures are significant, but the way those effects will be manifested are not simple.

    So … why do you insist on resisting the basic observations that underlie the science? Science is, first and foremost, an observational endeavour, and THEN we attempt to explain those observations with hypotheses that can be tested with further observation. That’s the fundamental nature of science.

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 3:05 pm

  37. No Dave,

    Monbiot’s message is that as there is nothing that will convince someone like you about this issue, there isn’t any point in discussing it. Aside from engaging in gratuitous abuse, of course.

    Don’t you have a big car to be driving around in or something?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 28, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

  38. Yes, trying to convince those who are already convinced one way to think another is fruitless, isn’t it. It’s a wonder we still try. But we do.

    Oh, and the argument about climate change is less about the observations than about the predictions made using the models, and what we should or should not be doing. Ultimately, nature will provide us with the tests of those predictions, but by the time we “know”, it will be too late to do anything about it. Hence the concerns amongst Pacific Islanders and the residents of Bangladesh, who say that they are already seeing lower lying land disappearing beneath the waves.

    But as I said, more energy, more variability – higher highs, lower lows, etc. I would suggest we are already seeing that in our weather “patterns” and the deviations from what we would might “normally” expect.

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

  39. Earth hour was a bust. For next year
    done a bit of research and apparently diety whorship is best performed early in the morning.

    Earth hour needs to kick off in the brahma-muhurta
    That’s early morning. (The IPCC should put out a paper on the brahma-muhurta.)

    “The brahma-muhurta is generally accepted as the most auspicious time of the day to perform spiritual practices. During this time of day the world is peaceful and the influence of the modes of passion and ignorance are less thus enabling us to focus more on our spiritual practices.”

    From http://deityworship.com/home_worship/index.php

    There is a lot of good stuff for climate change awareness. Need to put together a rolling series of climate change chants. It all helps.

    Comment by Simon — March 28, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

  40. nommopilot, I’m not sure that humanity’s energy usage is actually increasing exponentially… but even if it were, then this could go on indefinitely with no problems at all.

    Sure, there might be a limit to the amount of coal and oil that we have at our disposal. Maybe. Who cares? The fact is that scientific, enquiring, positive, forward looking vital and intelligent species such as ours has the capacity and will to consistently develop new energy souces (and raw material resources) far beyond anything that can be dreamed up now.

    Just 75 years ago who would have thought that almost unlimited power could be made available to man by releasing the energy contained in the very particles of life, the atoms? Who would have thought that man could have created aluminium from previously unknown bauxite when all that was known were copper and iron?

    You and people like you have no imagination and a pathetically depressed and negative view of humanity.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

  41. “You and people like you have no imagination and a pathetically depressed and negative view of humanity.”

    And there it goes … just couldn’t help himself, could he?

    These people need to have more faith in science’s ability to produce progress. But they should have no faith in science when it predicts that current forms of energy use are going to screw up the climate. Only believe in the scientific method when it promises good things, OK kids?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 28, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

  42. Andrew – part of the problem I think is the use of the terminology, I have excised the word “believe” from my vocabulary because it implies “faith”, which is a word charged with religious meaning. I prefer to let the data indicate, the results suggest, so that we can conclude based on all of the evidence, etc. etc. etc.

    I do not believe in the scientific method, because it is not a faith-based process. It transcends culture, ethnicity, faith, … In their times the Chinese, the Indian, the Islamic empires had the leading sciences of their days. Science can be carried out by people of faith (both deists and athesists :-)) as well as by those who bear no faith (agnostics like me :-)).

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 3:57 pm

  43. Oh, and while I don’t “believe” in the scientific method, I use it. :-)

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

  44. I must say, Danyl, I am a little disappointed and was hoping for some better parody or satire on Earth Hour.

    Then is realised (as you must have) that nobody could top the Earth hour parody from the Hamilton City Council last year when they encouraged 80,000 people to drive to the university to watch enormous hot air balloons being inflated by burning propane gas into tonnes of CO2.

    “Earth Hour 2009 was officially hosted at the Balloons over Waikato Earth Hour Nightglow at the University of Waikato. A crowd of 80,000 helped mark the event”

    http://www.hamilton.co.nz/page/pageid/2145842572

    Comment by J Mex — March 28, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

  45. Oh, wow! Thanks for that J Mex. Missed that item. Hilarious! As the quote at the top of Danyl’s website says “It is difficult not to write satire.” It is so hard to make something up when the reality is so off the wall to start with!

    Comment by David in Chch — March 28, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

  46. That’s hilarious J Mex.

    @Man I’m one of those “pathetic” individuals you are referring to. Although I lack your superiority complex and ability to filter out what I don’t want to hear, I do have imagination. I can imagine a future where science will provide society with its energy needs.

    But there’s a difference between imagination and blind faith. Your view supports using up the world’s resources because “scientists will figure something out”. Is it really worth placing all your bets on something you really don’t know. Do you think your children and grandchildren will forgive you if you’re wrong?

    Comment by Dav — March 28, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

  47. Hear hear David in ChCh!

    And when literally thousands of ‘scientific’ organisations all over the world are all depending on this climate change farce for increased funding there’s no surprise that hundreds of thousands of ‘scientists’ are throwing their principles out of the window in their rush to jump onto the money-go-round.

    I met a bloke at Iguacu Falls a short while ago who described himself as being ion the field of ‘climate science’. He had been attending a conference at the british taxpayers’ expense with his wife in Buenos Aires and had taken a little side trip to view the Falls and sink a few cervezas in the tourist hotel.

    Inn conversation it transpired that this guy (a pleasant fellow) was actually a social anthropologist phD and his specialty was the adjustment strategies of indigenous people when displaced from the rain forest by commercial forestry. He was attending a ‘climate’ conference to give some paper which was tangentially relevant to declining forests in South Amecica.

    He was not a ‘climate scientist’ at all, but he was quite happy to tell me that if ‘climate change’ had not been invented somewhere as a vibrant new way to attract huge dollops of funding from governments worldwide, then he would be sitting in a dingy stuffy poorly-lit office somewhere in the Midlands instead of travelling the world and taking in all the top tourist destinations.

    I do not ‘use’ the scientific method – and I am 100% certain that there are hundreds of thousands of people all over the world just like this guy who are using it very nicely, thank you.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

  48. @Andrew Geddis

    I agree it’s a waste of time trying to convince Dave Mann of anything other than what he wants to believe but I think it’s still worth putting forward an arguement. And that’s for reasons “aside from engaging in gratuitous abuse”. It’s not just about convincing Dave — there’s all the other people who are also reading the comments.

    Comment by Dav — March 28, 2010 @ 4:48 pm

  49. Matt Yglesias commented on the ‘turn on your lights for Earth Hour’ idiocy:

    Remember, kids, whenever you help contribute to the death of a Bangladeshi in coastal flooding, an environmentalist cries. Every time drought malnourishes an African child, Al Gore sheds a tear. So waste, waste, waste away. It’s the human thing to do after all.

    Comment by danylmc — March 28, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

  50. But J Mex, Earth Hour is itself satire. We turn our energy-saver lights off for 1 hour on a saturday night in Autumn, to reduce our electricity consumption at a time when the fossil-fuelled power stations are unlikely to be running. Then we get substitute light by burning candles, which are ludicrously inefficient and made from fossil fuel.

    Large corporations turn off the lights in their empty office blocks for 1 hour on Saturday night, or so they say. But are they really silly enough to send someone back to turn the unnecessary lights back on again at the end of the hour? If they really cared about reducing emissions, they would leave the lights off all weekend, every weekend.

    And if it weren’t earth hour, I would probably have stayed home. But instead I went to an Earth-Hour dinner party. And I missed my connecting bus, so the host of the party had to drive down and pick me up. the car she drove down in was probably quite fuel-efficient, even if the tinted windows, mag wheels and massive spoiler on the back did give a contrary impression.

    Comment by kahikatea — March 28, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

  51. Earth Hour = Bad Aid a.k.a a complete load of tossy bollocks

    Comment by daveo — March 28, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

  52. oops

    Earth Hour = Band Aid a.k.a a complete load of tossy bollocks

    Comment by daveo — March 28, 2010 @ 5:19 pm

  53. Dave Mann:
    “And when literally thousands of ’scientific’ organisations all over the world are all depending on this climate change farce for increased funding there’s no surprise that hundreds of thousands of ’scientists’ are throwing their principles out of the window in their rush to jump onto the money-go-round.”

    So, if I get you right, we should follow the money. The overwhelming majority of climate research scientists are cooking the books because that way riches lie. Support AGW as a theory or a lifetime of poverty awaits, support it and you get a holiday.

    In that case, why on earth aren’t these venal, money-hungry, unprincipled folk pimping themselves out to the world’s oil companies? Why faff round trying to get a few hundred thousand dollars in FoRST or Marsden money when Exxon Mobil’s profits in 2009 “slumped” to just $19 billion? You really think any scientist who could disprove this whole AGW malarky would not find a receptive and rather lucrative response from such corporate sources?

    In short, if the test of scientific truth is “who benefits from it the most”, then wouldn’t that kinda implicate those who are benefiting from the status quo?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 28, 2010 @ 5:39 pm

  54. Danyl, I realise that that piece of bullshit from Matt Yglesias was meant to be bitingly satirical and howlingly funny etc…. but it actually reveals far more than you realise about the Earth Hour/AGW/Gree Religion than you realise.

    The very type of thinking which links my relatively comfortable western standard of living with deaths in Bangladesh is so absolutely off-the-planet as to be laughable if it weren’t so sick.

    It is exactly this kind of guilt which has given rise to this sick greenist religion in the first place. 95% of Bangladeshis would eat their own aunties just for a taste of the kind of lifestyle that we take for granted. The other 5% work for NGOs or UN organisations in the ‘poverty’, ‘climate’ and ‘aid’ industries and they already HAVE lifestyles similar to ours. they are working flat out to prevent our technology from reaching their countrymen and thus depriving them of their powerful status.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 5:43 pm

  55. 95% of Bangladeshis would eat their own aunties just for a taste of the kind of lifestyle that we take for granted. The other 5% work for NGOs or UN organisations in the ‘poverty’, ‘climate’ and ‘aid’ industries and they already HAVE lifestyles similar to ours.

    It’s hard to argue with anyone with such a keen insight into the third world . . .

    Comment by danylmc — March 28, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

  56. Danyl, I have lived, worked and also travelled in “Third World” and poor countries in the South American continent, in the Pacific, in India (quite close to but not actually in Bangladesh) and also in other parts of Asia. I have an interest in languages (I speak 2 besides english quite passably and I have a smattering of Hindi). I think I can hold that my opinions are my own formed with a certain amount of knowledge of other cultures, languages and religions.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 6:33 pm

  57. …… although I must admit I don’t have any internationally verified figures on exactly what percentage of Bangladeshis would eat their own aunties and under what conditions. Given the distinct social and familial positions occupied by different aunties on the subcontinent, on the mother’s side – mausis – or the father’s side – fuas – its a difficult one to quantify. Also the question of whether or not they were slaughtered according to halal practices would need to be considered, as would the type and quantity of spices used in cooking.

    Suffice it to say that my auntie-eating illustration was a figure of speech only and not to be taken (unlike most AGW claims) as irrevocable fact.

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

  58. I particularly enjoyed the coverage of earth hour in Auckland – a small collection of retards gathered downtown to demonstrate their commitment to reducing CO2 emissions by turning off their largely hydro-generated electric lighting and burning candles instead, with the added irony of them all sitting about with their candles listening to music being blasted out of a PA. Overall, a significant net loss to the environment, you’d have to say – how about an acoustic performance next year, retards?

    Comment by Psycho Milt — March 28, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

  59. Hey Psycho… you and Danyl are my absolute favourite lefties :-) and I think you have worked and/or travelled quite extensively in the Middle East have you not? Are they all shitting themselves about ‘climate change’ there as well, or is it largely a western angst? I wonder if Dubai switched off….? I must look it up somewhere….

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

  60. Not noticably – or at least, not when I left in 2006. All electrical power was from oil-fired power stations in Kuwait, no interest in reducing consumption was evident, and the state provided unlimited fresh water at no cost (Dubai charges for water, so not all Gulf states are as profligate as Kuwait). I used to feel the odd twinge of guilt as I hosed quality drinking water from the fossil-fuel-powered desalination plants over my car every week, but not enough of a twinge to make me stop doing it. And given that most of the ex-pats are in the oil industry or working for the US military, I expect Earth Hour hasn’t a huge following with Whitey in the region (African-Americans are filed under Whitey as far as Kuwaitis are concerned).

    Comment by Psycho Milt — March 28, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

  61. Dave Mann asked: “Are they all shitting themselves about ‘climate change’ there as well, or is it largely a western angst? I wonder if Dubai switched off….?”

    Yes, lots of large buildings in Dubai went dark for Earth Hour. Clearly a lot of Dubaians take climate Change at least as seriously as, well, those companies in New Zealand that observe Earth Hour but don’t do anything to reduce emissions the rest of the time.

    Comment by kahikatea — March 28, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

  62. “Danyl, I have lived, worked and also travelled in “Third World” and poor countries in the South American continent, in the Pacific, in India”

    They must have loved your charmingly insensitive slights of them or were you polite to their faces?

    “I think I can hold that my opinions are my own formed with a certain amount of knowledge of other cultures, languages and religions.”

    Informed, knowledge, think. You use these words, but fail to convince me.

    “You and people like you have no imagination and a pathetically depressed and negative view of humanity.”

    Well Dave, I know you’re trying hard to restore my faith in the intelligence of mankind, and I’m sure there’s a chance you’re right that if we just wish hard enough a magic energy source will be discovered in the nick of time to save us from the mind-control nannies (I think I might call my band ‘the mind-control nannies’) but somehow you just aren’t quite nailing the image of a well-informed intelligent and culturally sensitive human being. Luckily I do know a lot of really awesome and intelligent people and so I manage to stay pretty positive most of the time, but thank you for caring!

    Comment by nommopilot — March 28, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

  63. Yeah, nomopilot… I always smile at them to their faces, mate. I tell ‘em I’m a rock star and I wanna buy their babies. That gets ‘em every time…… hahahahaha… me and Hollywood, we gotta thing goiing with da third world.. yeahh…

    Comment by Dave Mann — March 28, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

  64. The williams story has a bit more to come yet. The journo is holding back a bit more waiting for the pro forma indignant denials from Williams before the next kick in the teeth.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — March 28, 2010 @ 9:20 am

    You said the same thing about Blowhole’s Chris Carter story.

    Comment by Paul Henry — March 28, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

  65. What Bangladeshis might lack in lifestyle accoutrements is more than balanced by the rich expressiveness of the Bangla language. They have more terms for “silly old bugger” than the Inuit tongue has for snow.

    Comment by Joe W — March 28, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

  66. I must admit I was a bit embarrassed at how poorly we did during Earth Hour… compared to Nth Korea’s sterling effort..

    JC

    Comment by JC — March 28, 2010 @ 9:20 pm

  67. Paul Henry. Yup. I got a bum steer on that one. Not this time though.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — March 28, 2010 @ 9:37 pm

  68. too many daves; didn’t read.

    Comment by greg — March 29, 2010 @ 8:44 am

  69. Amazing, the car horn and pointlessly using economic resource without accruing benefit are the highlights of mankind’s achievement. I’m humbled.

    And as much of dick as Williams seems to be, until they can state “had 8 glasses of red wine in the 6 hours he was there” I really don’t see a story. Stunning political journalism from Kiwiblog though has uncovered the Google Maps location of nearby public urinals, what a scoop.

    Comment by garethw — March 29, 2010 @ 9:01 am

  70. To be fair to Farrar, it’s completely outrageous to accuse her of being a political journalist Gareth. Hang your head in shame.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — March 29, 2010 @ 9:10 am

  71. It’s also completely outrageous to try and deflect the argument away from “what the fuck is that dickhead Andrew Williams doing?”

    Comment by Gimli — March 29, 2010 @ 9:15 am

  72. Best Earth Hour performance was from the Hurricanes.

    Shutting down their brains like that for the full 60 minutes. Pure genius.

    Comment by Leg Break — March 29, 2010 @ 9:38 am

  73. I tried to have it both ways: at 8.30 I turned off the living room lights, slipped ‘2012’ in the BluRay player and rapidly came to the conclusion that the human race needs to lie down and lie. Now.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — March 29, 2010 @ 11:50 am

  74. Andrew @ 53 “why on earth aren’t these venal, money-hungry, unprincipled folk pimping themselves out to the world’s oil companies? Why faff round trying to get a few hundred thousand dollars in FoRST or Marsden money when Exxon Mobil’s profits in 2009 “slumped” to just $19 billion?”

    You may be misunderestimating the amount of money taxpayers around the world are giving away:

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/five-times-cost-of-manhattan-project.html

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/sinister-nexus.html

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-owns-our-science.html

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/big-climate-brother.html

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/farting-cows-online.html

    Sure, he’s only a blogger, so disregard all you read there. But do follow some of the links. He draws together nicely some of the treads relating to where the money comes from and goes to.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — March 29, 2010 @ 1:45 pm


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