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July 30, 2010

The willows of Lhasa

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 8:31 am

Via RNZ:

Senior Labour MP Trevor Mallard told Morning Report Mr Carter’s actions were probably triggered by pressure over his expenses and an unsanctioned trip to Tibet.

Mr Carter refused to discuss the trip with Radio New Zealand.

Tibet? Really?

Carter still seems to think he’ll be back in the Labour Party before too long: Goff will get rolled and the new leader will beg for Chris to return and then he can go back to representing the good people to Te Atatu by spending their money on international plane tickets and five star hotel bills and everything will be right with the world again.

It really calls Clark’s judgement into question that she made this ridiculous little creature Minister of Education.

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25 Comments »

  1. “It really calls Clark’s judgement into question that she made this ridiculous little creature Minister of Education.”

    Well things flowed on quite nicely to our current minister don’t you think?

    Comment by max — July 30, 2010 @ 8:55 am

  2. He didn’t use to be this batshit insane though, did he?. He did a reasonable job before – a steady “B” as a Minister I guess. I dealt with him a few times and thought he was competent if arrogant.

    This really does seem to be driven by some personal levle of spite at Goff – “He’s been mean to me, I’ll get him!”

    Comment by Michael Stevens — July 30, 2010 @ 9:09 am

  3. It really calls Clark’s judgement into question that she made this ridiculous little creature Minister of Education.
    Not a great “follower of the beltway” but wasn’t he at least acceptable in that role? Don’t recall any outrageous scandal or incompetence?

    Comment by garethw — July 30, 2010 @ 9:13 am

  4. I saw him talk on either environment or conservation 3-4 years ago. I was impressed and that’s hard for a Labour minister talking to a crowd of rabid environmentalists… Perhaps he’s just having a really bad year.

    Comment by LucyJH — July 30, 2010 @ 9:16 am

  5. It was Mallard who tipped off Nat Rad about the Tibet trip and then came on saying how worried they all were for Carter.

    Comment by NeilM — July 30, 2010 @ 9:25 am

  6. Now I’m waiting for the “Leave Chris Alone” video

    Comment by Michael Stevens — July 30, 2010 @ 9:55 am

  7. Now I’m waiting for the “Leave Chris Alone” video

    Or the Downfall mashup of Carter as hitler plotting the coup.

    Comment by andy (the other one) — July 30, 2010 @ 11:32 am

  8. “Or the Downfall mashup of Carter as hitler plotting the coup.”

    The first thing I thought of was Leeeeroy Jenkins:

    Comment by Sam F — July 30, 2010 @ 12:21 pm

  9. As a highly irrational/unhinged person myself, I quickly identified Carters actions as beyond orthodox stupidity…

    In the great game however it is of no consequence whatsover…

    when was the last time national were one term wonders?
    when was the last time we had a magic snake charmer for a PM?

    labour are accordingly, and quite rightly, playing a longer game.

    Also, and in an unrelated fashion, did’nt big, sweaty, gerry b look off his game is the house yesterday??? i swear he was covered in woodchips….

    Comment by k.jones — July 30, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

  10. Ok, so Carter’s flipped. But that doesn’t change the fact that labour has a leader who is clearly going to lose the election and resign. Why doesn’t he skip the “losing the election” bit?

    Comment by rich — July 30, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

  11. rich,

    Because then someone else would have to become Labour leader and lose the next election, thereby harming their long term chances of actually leading Labour back into power. The question isn’t “how can Labour win in 2011?” It is “how can Labour win in 2014?” So strategy has to be focused on that end goal … which requires someone to operate as an interim leader until 2011 is out of the way, at which point the “real” next Labour leader can be chosen.

    So everyone knows Carter is probably right in his prediction about what will happen with Goff in place. It’s just that he’s focusing on the wrong end goal.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — July 30, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

  12. Only time I ever “met” Carter was when we shared a flight to Wanganui one morning and were each reading the Herald. This was around the time of the civil union debate and the Herald had a run a front-page article about some (straight) teen beauty queen asking what exactly was going to be in this law for her?
    As Carter met his companions in the terminal he walked up to them and said “look at this dumb bitch”. Had liked him ever since…

    Comment by garethw — July 30, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

  13. Absolutely Andrew. Anyone who would ‘want’ to be leader of Labour right now is an idiot with no long term hopes of remaining leader.

    Carter needed to get his head around ‘Whoever leads labour is going to lose then next election’.

    This is all a red herring though. Carter didn’t want to get caught. He just wanted Goff to suffer. He wanted a new leader simply so Goff wouldn’t be leader. End.of.story.

    If he was really so worried about Labour losing he wouldn’t have behaved, in the past few months, in such a way that substantially increased the probability of Labour losing.

    Comment by J Mex — July 30, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

  14. Good call Sam F! Carter, at least he ain’t chicken.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — July 30, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

  15. Anyone who would ‘want’ to be leader of Labour right now is an idiot with no long term hopes of remaining leader

    Not so.

    Lets assume that everyone in Labour knows 2011 is a lost cause. What, then, is an acceptable result for a potential new leader?
    If they were to achieve a result similar to National in ’05, they’d be mad not to keep that person on to contest 2014.

    Clark lost in ’96 and remained at the helm. Before her, Moore lost in ’90 but remained in charge for the ’93 campaign too.

    Comment by Phil — July 30, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

  16. Lucy wrote: “I saw him talk on either environment or conservation 3-4 years ago. I was impressed and that’s hard for a Labour minister talking to a crowd of rabid environmentalists…”

    are you sure it wasn’t 5-6 years ago? because I’m sure he could have given a great speech on conservation back when he had Kevin Smith advising him

    Comment by kahikatea — July 30, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

  17. It’s not so much that they will get defeated, but they get associated with a tired old mob of has-been’s AND a horrific election defeat. Far better coming in after your party gets decimated in an election and getting some positive results from then. The very worst thing that could happen to an aspirant is to take over now and achieve a worse result than the one Phil is currently headed for. And that could be very likely indeed.

    Comment by J Mex — July 30, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

  18. Mallard’s a prick as well.

    There’s too much redneck and bogan dead wood in both parties. You wouldn’t fucking credit this is supposed to be a national parliament. It’s a joke, and an embarrassment. It reminds me of the worst example of a state senate you can imagine. I can’t watch Parliament TV without a good cringe – I watch C-SPAN or BBC Parliament, I get a different impression of the way their legislatures work.

    Not that their legislatures aren’t filled with embarrassing wastes of space in their own right – it’s just that mostly they have the decency not to act like high school children in full view of everyone else.

    Comment by dontsurf — July 30, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

  19. “Not that their legislatures aren’t filled with embarrassing wastes of space in their own right’

    a really good example being fresh faced PM cameron with his candid foreign policy statements

    Comment by k.jones — July 30, 2010 @ 5:58 pm

  20. dontsurf “There’s too much redneck and bogan dead wood in both parties”

    Mainly in Labour though but with Carter gone the numbers are getting better.

    Comment by davy crockett — July 30, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

  21. Mainly in Labour though but with Carter gone the numbers are getting better.

    Comment by davy crockett

    Yeah, because the National ranks are just so much better off for the likes of Paul Quinn, Paula Bennett, Katrina Shanks, Anne Tolley, Kate Wilkinson and Judith Collins. And, of course, don’t forget the incomparable Melissa Lee – who, to be fair, isn’t a bogan, but who is apparently very good at keeping money she’s not supposed to have and calling everyone else thieving bogans. Why all the crass, base and stupid ones are women, I have no idea, but to be entirely fair to the fairer sex, Paul Quinn is the biggest cunt of them all.

    Comment by dontsurf — July 30, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

  22. a really good example being fresh faced PM cameron with his candid foreign policy statements

    Comment by k.jones

    I don’t think he’s done any harm to relations with India, or that it can’t be smoothed over when the Pakistani president stays at Chequers next week. The big money is in India’s arms contracts and space race. Pakistan is a barely reformed former military dictatorship – in most respects, this isn’t the kind of Mallardian fluffing about, for example, Joyce’s education history in the House. It’s about showing he’s just as tough on sorting British involvement in Afghanistan as the previous administration.

    Personally, I would have put the emphasis on that corrupt motherfucker Karzai. But that’s me. Who am I?

    Comment by dontsurf — July 30, 2010 @ 11:54 pm

  23. Why all the crass, base and stupid ones are women, I have no idea,

    that’s occured to me too. If you took the men from National and the women from Labour then you might have a an ok party.

    Comment by NeilM — July 31, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  24. take a pill Dontsurf.

    Comment by davy crockett — July 31, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

  25. Davy Crockett wrote: “take a pill Dontsurf.”

    you can tell a lot about someone’s character by how he reacts when someone makes a reasonable observation that he happens to disagree with.

    Comment by kahikatea — August 1, 2010 @ 6:51 pm


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