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August 28, 2010

Social Welfare Minister: Someone else should do something about Maori child abuse

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 8:48 am

I missed this (it was a busy week). Apparently Paula Bennett recently gave a speech to the Iwi leaders group telling them they should start providing care for abused Maori children. Fran O’Sullivan is giddy with delight:

The Maori aristocracy has turned a deaf ear to Paula Bennett’s plea to them to stump up some of their own cash so abused kids could be placed in iwi rather than state care.

True to form, the tribal leaders haven’t bothered themselves sufficiently to make a collective response to Bennett. (Although her office says she is going to explain her proposals further at the invitation of some individual iwi).

The young Cabinet minister went up in my estimation with her blunt message to the iwi leaders’ group to “put your hands in your own pockets” to help find families who could take on children from within their own iwi “because the Government doesn’t have the money for it right now, quite frankly”.

Mysteriously Bennett has yet to give a speech to the Employers and Manufacturers Association telling them they need to step up and take financial responsibility for Pakeha kids.

As far as I can tell the Maori Party has yet to respond to the news that Social Welfare wants to abdicate its responsibilities towards young Maori victims of abuse – I guess they have other priorities.

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26 Comments »

  1. To be devil’s advocate for a moment, the EMA also doesn’t go around with a mournful look on it’s facce wailing about the need for special treatment for it’s oppressed people…Ummmmm…. Actually, strike that.

    Anyway,

    Pita Sharples. What can you say? He looks sad. The fuddy old duffer is clearly a man who knows in his heart he’s an ineffectual sell out, befuddled by the wicked ways of the white man’s parliament. Yes, he looks sad. He looks bewildered – “how did it come to this”? But then I guess the back of that limo is soooooooo comfy, warm and secure. Real leather seats! With heating! But I believe! He’ll come out fighting NEXT term, when it is time, when he has nothing to lose, I promises you!

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 28, 2010 @ 9:42 am

  2. “Mysteriously Bennett has yet to give a speech to the Employers and Manufacturers Association telling them they need to step up and take financial responsibility for Pakeha kids.’

    Obvious difference is that Maori bore the rest of us rigid with their tribalist /collectivist “we’ crap so its really only fair that they are held to that when it comes to looking after their own.Live by the group…die by the group.

    Comment by James — August 28, 2010 @ 10:07 am

  3. You get these suggestions when society views the crime of apparent hypocrisy more serious than the crime itself.

    If Maori are going to say it’s all about Whanau, then others will expect the Whanau to step forward to foster children of their relatives who have proven incapable – saying that it’s up to government to look after their wider family seems hypocritical.

    Perhaps this is exactly where and how the “wanau ora” money could be allocated – encourage foster support within the whanau and iwi and direct some welfare dollars that way to lighten the load. It may not save any money, but it may improve the outcomes.

    Comment by ZenTiger — August 28, 2010 @ 10:29 am

  4. And a social welfare minister that urges Maori to fully engage in doing something about Maori welfare seems eminently sensible. The aim should be to reduce the need, size and cost of the MSD, not grow it.

    Government, in general, needs to think more about enabling service delivery than actually delivering it. It reduces direct government costs, puts money into community groups passionate about the problem and gets a greater sense of community ownership in outcomes.

    Comment by ZenTiger — August 28, 2010 @ 10:34 am

  5. Those community groups amongst Maori that have been getting loads of treaty settlement funds so that they may among other things address Maori welfare issues, yes, those community groups. But I guess not every-one is as smart as Wellington urban professionals with higher education and cannot see the obvious spite with which P Bennett treats the underclass in Aotearoa.

    Comment by Thomas — August 28, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

  6. I think what Bennett is saying is not a million miles away from the liberal approach to decolonisation – empowerment, autonomy etc.

    Treaty setllemens have two main purposes. One is to recognise past wrongs and restore mana the other is to compensate for the theft of economic resources in order to rebuild communities. I’m not sure how many iwi leaders need reminding of that but I don’t have a problem if some feathers are ruffled.

    Margaret Mutu was not in complete disagreement.

    Comment by NeilM — August 28, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

  7. “economic resources in order to rebuild communities. I’m not sure how many iwi leaders need reminding of that but I don’t have a problem if some feathers are ruffled.”

    sure, but it isn’t the responsibility to iwi to pony up for social welfare. for one, that would be inequitable – social welfare is a citizenship right, not an ethnic right. and second, the iwi financial base has long been recognised as an asset, not a fund.

    Comment by Che Tibby — August 28, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

  8. This has to be one of your more witless posts. Money and property was given to MAORI. Not the tribal elites. This is a completely sensible suggestion that some of it should be used to actually benefit Maori who have been abused.

    And you make a racist comparison with a business organisation that represents its members. How they only represent Pakeha I don’t know.

    The Maori tribal leader defence is pathetic. The community should look after its own. The wider NZ community is doing its part through taxpayer funded benefits. The solution to Maori child abuse must come from the Maori community themselves. Partly using their own money along with Whanau Ora to fund structures is the right way.

    Comment by Phil Sage (sagenz) — August 28, 2010 @ 9:54 pm

  9. I think your Herald link broke. Redirects me to the front page.

    Comment by derp de derp — August 28, 2010 @ 10:08 pm

  10. “This has to be one of your more witless posts…”

    That is exceedingly rich coming from a No Minister contributor (no offence Milt).

    “Money and property was given to MAORI. Not the tribal elites.”

    That’s not what your chief propagandist John Ansell is currently shrieking. You guys need to get your stories straight.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — August 28, 2010 @ 10:32 pm

  11. Is it tough being a dickhead smiley or does that come naturally. You don’t address the substantive comment, just make two snide incorrect remarks.

    Comment by Phil Sage (sagenz) — August 29, 2010 @ 2:55 am

  12. “The solution to Maori child abuse must come from the Maori community themselves. Partly using their own money along with Whanau Ora to fund structures is the right way.”

    all good. so i assume you’ll be ponying up your own cash to help out family abuse in white families in your city?

    Comment by Che Tibby — August 29, 2010 @ 7:44 am

  13. I guess the other question is how big a tax cut would Maori get if the government were to walk away from its welfare obligations to them. Fascinating stuff . . .

    Comment by danylmc — August 29, 2010 @ 7:48 am

  14. all good. so i assume you’ll be ponying up your own cash to help out family abuse in white families in your city?

    Well maybe if you got your thieving lefty hands out of their pockets people of all colours might just spend that money helping themselves and THEIR kids eh Comrade? If we could strat by practising charity at home and sort our own households out we might just be willing to assist others by choice hmmmm?

    Comment by James — August 29, 2010 @ 10:59 am

  15. I’ve been thinking of introducing a comments policy – one of the rules would be that people who end posts with ‘hmmmmm?’ would be banned from the site.

    Comment by danylmc — August 29, 2010 @ 11:11 am

  16. if you also ban people who start comments with ‘sigh’, you know who you are

    Comment by Thomas — August 29, 2010 @ 11:43 am

  17. I’ve been thinking of introducing a comments policy – one of the rules would be that people who end posts with ‘hmmmmm?’ would be banned from the site.</i.

    Glad I only ended mine with a hummmm? then.That extra m would have left me screwed. ;-)

    Comment by James — August 29, 2010 @ 1:26 pm

  18. “I guess the other question is how big a tax cut would Maori get if the government were to walk away from its welfare obligations to them.”

    which was my other point. iwi corporations are taxpayers. while i agree with the minister that the solution to social problems lies within maori society, paying for it is already being done via IRD.

    you also have “maori” service providers in health, employment and education, many of whom spend more than they get in contracting money (but mostly in ‘time’).

    Comment by Che Tibby — August 29, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

  19. Where is the evidence that throwing money at the problem is working?

    JC

    Comment by JC — August 29, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

  20. Of course, Maori are not net taxpayers. Iwi corporations are usually Maori trusts with their own special tax rate or charitable organisations who pay no tax. The latter is the one generally prefered.

    I do not see what the problem is in expecting people to start looking after their own.

    Comment by johnbt — August 29, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

  21. johnbt, you have evidence to back the statement on iwi corporation paying no tax?

    and there are very few individuals in new zealand who pay more tax than they accrue benefits from the state. the baby-boomers are still sucking the nation dry for example…

    Comment by Che Tibby — August 29, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

  22. and there are very few individuals in new zealand who pay more tax than they accrue benefits from the state. the baby-boomers are still sucking the nation dry for example…,/i>

    ahhhh so its unsssssssssssssssssssssutainible is it? Nice to see some honesty from the welfare loving left.Yes it needs sorting ASAP before the crisis that was forseen by certain people decades ago arrives.An end to state pensions and welfare in general and a weaning of the people onto private provisioning for themselvse should do the trick.

    Comment by James — August 29, 2010 @ 5:26 pm

  23. so james, an ideologue aeh?

    “benefits” includes things like: police protection, customs to stop those nasty foreigners from swamping us, roads, street lighting, etc etc. the happy happy gnomes aren’t paying for that stuff.

    plenty of people who never ever draw down social support still accrue benefit. and it costs more than you’d making paying taxes on an average wage.

    Comment by Che Tibby — August 29, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

  24. First of all, Treaty settlement money is compensation for past crimes, and Maori can do whatever they want with it. If I’m the victim of a crime and I get compensation money, what I do with it is my business. If someone said ‘no, you can’t spend it on an overseas holiday, you should use it to pay for your medical care [for example] instead of getting it funded by the state’ that would be ridiculous and unjust. Treaty payouts are no different.

    Secondly, many within Maoridom have been talking for a few decades now about how the state should devolve social services to them, so rather than ignoring this, iwi leaders should be saying ‘sure, we’d love to, but if you’re transferring responsability you should also transfer the funding’. In the meantime it would be nice if they did a bit more to deal with the child abuse issue – not because it’s not the state’s job, but because it needs fixing and the state has so far failed at doing that.

    Comment by Helenalex — August 30, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  25. 15.I’ve been thinking of introducing a comments policy – one of the rules would be that people who end posts with ‘hmmmmm?’ would be banned from the site.

    Can you extend your ban to include people who use the word “methinks”? I don’t think it’s even a real word, and it’s a dead giveaway that the next thing you read will be an absolute shambling trainwreck of stupidity. Take my last sentence as case and point.

    Comment by Brad — August 30, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

  26. Treaty settlement money is compensation for past crimes ? Thinking of some recent settlements. The Treelords deal for land that was sold fair and square. The deal was so good the Maoris dug up an old chief and took him along to the celebration party and it was cash money (five pound notes). The beneficiaries of the deal (Tuhoe, Te Arawa, Tuwharetoa) are not even parties to the Treaty as they never signed. The land was then developed by the gummint. That cost us net taxpayers 500 freaking million, so far. Then the Wellington deal where a bunch of Maoris from Taranaki who turned up in Wellington after the European settlers scored big time and will continue to do so for a long, long time. What is not advertised is the side deals to these scams. For example, these deals usually include the “right” to first (and second) dibs on so-called surplus government property. Sometimes, forever. This is where some real money is being made.

    And I do wonder what the State can ever do about scum who put little kids in a clothes drier or throw them against a wall.

    Comment by johnbt — August 30, 2010 @ 4:14 pm


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