The Dim-Post

September 6, 2010

That took a lotta class

Filed under: blogging,Politics — danylmc @ 10:20 am

So on Friday Jim Anderton gave an interview to a Canterbury based TV show called Newsmakers. In it he was asked about his decision to leave the Labour Party and form New Labour in 1989. Anderton said:

So there was a long history with the Labour Party and it would have taken a pretty . . . earthquake . . . y’know, seismic shift to get me to move and the seismic shift was rogernomics.

You can view this interview here, relevent comments approx one minute in.

The Herald reported Anderton’s comments like this:

Christchurch mayoral aspirant Jim Anderton told CTV on Friday that it would take an earthquake for him to lose the election race against incumbent mayor Bob Parker.

DPF picked up the false reporting and now National Party activist Cameron Slater has posted a clumsily edited version of the original video in which Anderton does appear to do this.

So just to get the facts out there – Anderton didn’t make any such statement – it’s a smear campaign conducted by the Herald and National Party activists.

UPDATE: Apparently the lie has been repeated by Paul Henry on TVNZ and Matthew Hooton on National Radio. Quite an effective little disinformation campaign out there.

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43 Comments »

  1. A smear? Pretty slack arse one, because I thought the original was a pretty blackly comic example of cosmic irony that didn’t actually reflect badly on Anderton at all.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — September 6, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  2. Yeah I really don’t see how this is a ‘smear’, as Craig said. Slack reporting and then slack reporting blogging on the reporting maybe?

    Comment by Stephen — September 6, 2010 @ 10:40 am

  3. DPF picked up the false reporting…

    I’m not sure you can blame DPF … or even the Herald for that matter, given that the Herald appears to have spoken to Jim Anderton about it before reporting it:

    Christchurch mayoral aspirant Jim Anderton told CTV on Friday that it would take an earthquake for him to lose the election race against incumbent mayor Bob Parker.

    The Wigram MP says is able to see the funny side of what has happened.

    He says there has been an earthquake, now he will just have to see how the campaign goes. He says he will ask that contributions he expected at a now-cancelled campaign fundraiser be donated to the mayor’s fund.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — September 6, 2010 @ 10:44 am

  4. whalefails

    Comment by chris — September 6, 2010 @ 10:45 am

  5. Isn’t Slater in jail yet?

    Comment by rich — September 6, 2010 @ 10:50 am

  6. the Herald appears to have spoken to Jim Anderton about it before reporting it:

    It’s the Herald. I imagine their call to Anderton went something like: ‘You made comments about the mayoral campaign and mentioned an earthquake in your Friday night interview and I just wanted to get a follow up comment from you on that.’

    And if the story on the website was sourced from the HoS it’s fairly likely they didn’t even call him and just fabricated the quote.

    Comment by danylmc — September 6, 2010 @ 10:51 am

  7. Hat-tip to Scott at Imperator Fish:

    http://www.imperatorfish.com/2010/09/funny-if-true-but-not-true.html

    So where did the Herald story come from?

    1) Reporter watched original interview, but has great difficulty with English language comprehension.

    Or 2) Reporter didn’t watch the original, but was fed a fake story by a “source” (mmm, who might that be?), and didn’t bother checking it.

    If 1) Sack reporter. But if 2), sack reporter.

    Oh, and the falsehood was duly repeated by Paul Henry on Breakfast this morning, around 8.45 a.m.

    Job done, it seems.

    Comment by sammy — September 6, 2010 @ 10:52 am

  8. A text book case study of an untouchable and untruthful Slater blog post laundered through the “respectable” David Farrar directly to a willingly credulous New Zealand Herald and from there as received truth to useful idiots like Paul Henry, Leighton Smith, Larry Williams etc etc etc.

    It is exactly how the National party were able to successfully spread Crosby-Textor inspired rumours, innuendo and smears about Helen Clark during the dirty politics campaign against her in 2006-2008 and it reflects very poorly on the NZ Herald that they still haven’t worked out they are being played for fools by what is, at base, a fairly easily discerned propaganda technique.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 6, 2010 @ 11:13 am

  9. And right on cue, Matthew Hooton on Radio NZ, repeats the porkie. Not challenged by Ryan or Campbell.

    Comment by sammy — September 6, 2010 @ 11:16 am

  10. A text book case study of an untouchable and untruthful Slater blog post laundered through the “respectable” David Farrar

    Again, unfair.

    It’s more of a textbook case of a piece on the Herald Website being promoted by David Farrar.

    Or 2) Reporter didn’t watch the original, but was fed a fake story by a “source” (mmm, who might that be?), and didn’t bother checking it.

    Didn’t check it, except by ringing up Jim Anderton.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — September 6, 2010 @ 11:16 am

  11. Poor old Jim Anderton and the Labour party being legged over by the inferior intellects of Slater and Farrar.

    Comment by Thomas — September 6, 2010 @ 11:18 am

  12. Oh, and the falsehood was duly repeated by Paul Henry on Breakfast this morning, around 8.45 a.m.

    feel free.

    right on cue, Matthew Hooton on Radio NZ, repeats the porkie. Not challenged by Ryan or Campbell.

    and RNZ as well.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — September 6, 2010 @ 11:22 am

  13. Graeme, we don’t know what the Herald reporter asked Anderton.

    The quote could easily be a response to any generic question about the effect of the EQ on the election. They don’t even use a quote. But it doesn’t really matter. You can look at the original interview youself. He does not say what the meme says he says.

    The point of these sort of plays is to report some damaging bs so that the candidate looks like an idiot, and even worse if they respond.

    Anderton was upset about being reminded that he had said an earthquake would cost him the election, denying that he said it in the interview, even though blogger whaleoil has posted a clip on youtube…

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — September 6, 2010 @ 11:35 am

  14. Thanks Graeme both forms submitted.

    Comment by jughead78 — September 6, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

  15. The claim has been removed entirely from the timeline story linked to by Danyl.

    But curiously, it’s still there in the version linked to from the Herald Twitter stream:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10671276&ref=twitter

    Is everyone else seeing that?

    And Danyl, I was pleased to have looked up the clip for myself, only to discover you’d nailed it half an hour before. Damned bloggers …

    Comment by Russell Brown — September 6, 2010 @ 12:08 pm

  16. I asked NZH about the ‘smear’. Response was that they had copied the story straight from TRN newswire (whatever that is) – I don’t think the reporter was smart or sensitive enough to realise the implications of copying the story verbatim. And the desk editor clearly wasn’t on the job. Good job that NZH have removed it from their pages now.

    Comment by Chris — September 6, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

  17. i still see it there at 14:44pm..

    Comment by jughead78 — September 6, 2010 @ 12:19 pm

  18. Response was that they had copied the story straight from TRN newswire (whatever that is)

    TRN is The Radio Network — Newstalk ZB, in other words.

    So the “reporting” would have been done by Newstalk ZB.

    Bit of a bugger for the Herald, in that case.

    Comment by Russell Brown — September 6, 2010 @ 12:19 pm

  19. “TRN newswire”

    The Radio Network?

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=181827

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — September 6, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  20. i still see it there at 14:44pm..

    Whoa now, steady on.

    Christchurch is still coming to grips with a geological shock. It doesn’t need a temporal one as well.

    Comment by Phil — September 6, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

  21. Graeme Edgeler: thanks for the links to those complaint forms. Are those the forms I can use when someone wantonly misrepresents anarchy, a lack of government and the rule of law, as libertarianism? Or that deficit spending saved the Australian economy from dipping into recession, rather than rampant commodity prices? Or that building regulations prevented buildings from collapsing, but somehow the buildings that DID collapse, err, the regulations somehow didn’t apply and therefore are exceptions that prove the rule.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 6, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

  22. but somehow the buildings that DID collapse, err, the regulations somehow didn’t apply and therefore are exceptions that prove the rule

    From what I’ve seen walking around the city and neighborhood most of the buildings in the worse shape were probably built long before EQ regulations were even thought of. Most of the modern buildings around here remain intact.

    Comment by The Fox — September 6, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

  23. Quite an effective little disinformation campaign out there.

    Clearly, it’s the crime of the century. I’m aghast at the audacity of political blogs publishing mischievous quotes. How on earth will we be able to trust partisan hacks again?

    Comment by scrubone — September 6, 2010 @ 2:19 pm

  24. You can’t blame David Farrar, no one can, not on his site and even if you did he wouldn’t hear of it. Everyone is human. Except those damn muslims. Full of hate they are. Should be wearing stars on their sleeves for easy identification. People should know. He is the blameless one, who researches just enough to let us know what other people are saying. Other people, not him, he doesn’t agree with anything or anything he posts and takes no responsibility for misunderstanding or coincidence.

    Comment by Weally — September 6, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

  25. Are those the forms I can use when someone wantonly misrepresents anarchy, a lack of government and the rule of law, as libertarianism? Or that deficit spending saved the Australian economy from dipping into recession, rather than rampant commodity prices? …

    Not “someone”, but TVNZ or Radio NZ during a news or current affairs programme, sure.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — September 6, 2010 @ 2:41 pm

  26. Also, just a thought, I’m just wondering about the state of the buildings that Parker bought for the city for $17 Million from the bust developer Dave Henderson, are doing right now. I think a few of those were old colonial style shops and offices and may be demolition fodder right now. Just this second felt another large aftershock btw!

    Comment by The Fox — September 6, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

  27. You can’t blame David Farrar, no one can, not on his site and even if you did he wouldn’t hear of it.

    More to the point, who cares?

    Comment by scrubone — September 6, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

  28. Man, I fell for it.

    Comment by llew — September 6, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

  29. Seems that in this story all players but one have been simply careless or inadvertent. The exception is Slater. In order to create that clip, he had to delete words he had heard and knew to convey an inconvenient truth.

    Comment by David Slack — September 6, 2010 @ 5:57 pm

  30. “Not “someone”, but TVNZ or Radio NZ during a news or current affairs programme, sure.”

    Gee, if we complained every time these oulets got things wrong (or ignored important news like the slaying of the hockey stick graph), we’d have a full-time (unpaid) job. And we’d be called Mary Whitehouse or similar.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 6, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

  31. Perhaps I mean Patricia Bartlet?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 6, 2010 @ 6:14 pm

  32. “Quite an effective little disinformation campaign out there.”

    Brings to mind that scene in the fascinating documentary “The Hollow Men” wherein National party members are filmed at a regional meeting, being organised to use talkback and other media (blogs) together to coordinate their message.

    Comment by Alastair — September 6, 2010 @ 7:25 pm

  33. Man, I fell for it.

    Hardly your fault. Jim Anderton fell for it.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — September 7, 2010 @ 8:26 am

  34. This premature ejaculation happened because Farrar et al. REALLY want their man back in.

    Comment by George Pete — September 7, 2010 @ 9:07 am

  35. “…National party members are filmed at a regional meeting, being organised to use talkback and other media (blogs) together to coordinate their message.”

    Wow!!!

    A political party trying to co-ordinate members to get their political point of view out amongst the general public.

    Who would have thunk it?!

    Comment by Gosman — September 7, 2010 @ 9:16 am

  36. That’s not the notable thing. The notable thing is that it’s totally made-up bullshit.

    But then again, that’s hardly notable either.

    L

    Comment by Lew — September 7, 2010 @ 9:42 am

  37. @Gosman: As long as party members identify themselves when putting out information through any medium – be it talkback radio, blogging or advertising – then there is certainly nothing wrong with it. It’s when they represent themselves as the average Joe on the street – or, god forbid, ‘Hone Carter’ – that intentions get a bit whiffy.

    Comment by Ataahua — September 7, 2010 @ 10:02 am

  38. Ataahua, you be talkin bout the Standard now, right?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 7, 2010 @ 1:27 pm

  39. To be honest I know The Standard by rumour and wisecracks rather than first-hand experience. I don’t have a burning desire to change that, either.

    Comment by Ataahua — September 7, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

  40. Here’s a scenario for you.

    Perhaps the reporter had been told Mr Anderton had made such a comment. And perhaps said reporter rang Anderton and asked him if he’d been on CTV and did he really make the comment that it’d take an earthquake for him to lose the race for the mayoralty.

    Let’s say Anderton wasn’t paying attention to the specific question and assumed the reporter was referring to his seismic shift comment in relation to the 4th Labour Government.

    Supposing he answered as follows:

    “(laugh) Yes that’s true” then make further comments about now not wanting to play politics following the Chch earthquake.

    So what do we have?

    A reporter writing a story on the basis Anderton’s confirmed the speculation he was following up. And Jim Anderton thinking (incorrectly) it referred to something else.

    I am reliably informed that this is exactly what happened. That TRN went off information given to them from a Chch source (not a blog) and went directly to Anderton to check it.

    The story they wrote was solely determined by the answers Anderton gave them. Granted there’d been an earthquake and Anderton might not be as focussed as he might normally have been. But still it’s not the reporter’s fault that Anderton din’t pay close enough attention to the question that was asked.

    I’m of the understanding it was pretty specific

    Comment by randominanity — September 10, 2010 @ 6:46 pm

  41. randominanity – my understand is that that’s pretty much what happened, but the journalist I spoke to just wanted to leave it there.

    Comment by Danyl Mclauchlan — September 10, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

  42. Slater has just been found guilty on nine charges of breaching name supression – http://www.3news.co.nz/Whale-Oil-convicted-on-nine-suppression-charges/tabid/423/articleID/176001/Default.aspx

    Comment by Kate — September 14, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

  43. [...] But for some reason when most of the journalists working in the press gallery visit Whaleoil they don’t see a deranged crazy person fabricating implausible lies, they see an important intellectual whose statements need to be amplified and reported to the nation. Today it’s Rebecca Wright at TV3, with a story about Labour’s new Mana candidate Kris Fa’afoi.  Wright alleges that he considered working for the National Party based on a video Slater posted on his blog that doesn’t actually indicate anything of the source. This is less than a week since Slater was caught falsifying a video misquoting Jim Anderton. [...]

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