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September 28, 2010

Charm’d magic casements, opening on the foam, of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 7:25 am

The Herald reports:

Opposition leader Phil Goff yesterday formally launched the policy of GST-free fresh fruit and vegetables, which he said would save a household between $300 and $400 a year.

“It makes a difference, but by itself it won’t be enough. We’ll have other policies also.”

Mr Goff said Labour would announce details on savings, skills programmes and monetary policy in the lead-up to the next election.

He also floated the idea of demanding less revenue from state-owned power companies to ease electricity bills.

At this stage in the election cycle an opposition party needs (a) a vision and (b) a major wedge policy wedded to the vision. For National under John Key it was economic reform wedded to tax cuts, for Don Brash it was white supremacy wedded to abolition of the Maori seats and scrapping the Closing the Gaps policies.

Labour’s vision is ‘for the many not the few’. Okay. I don’t think anyone who isn’t a politics junky knows that and its more of a slogan than a vision, but that’s what they’ve gone with. What’s their big policy star they’ve hitched their wagon to? Slightly cheaper beetroots.

David Cunliffe is working on a major savings policy – my guess is compulsory savings combined with tax cuts or credits for all low income earners. I think people are really nervous about their quality of life in retirement – wouldn’t that have been a better flagship policy to roll-out? It even feels pointless writing about them: they’re so utterly lost and comprehensively doomed.

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82 Comments »

  1. yet somehow they they and the Greens contrive to together poll at 40%. hardly doomed, then.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 28, 2010 @ 7:38 am

  2. You can lead a horse to water Sanctuary, or in this case a few dole bludgers to a salad.

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 7:40 am

  3. Sanctuary – they’re not going to win the next election, and if they keep this up they will lose the one after that as well.

    Comment by JD — September 28, 2010 @ 7:41 am

  4. JD – at this stage back in the day the Double Dipper was polling around 21-22%. National has no coalition partners now ACT is gone. it won’t take much for Labour-Green-MP coalition to get the numbers, even with the middle class still being totally besotted by their man John key.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 28, 2010 @ 7:52 am

  5. As bad as I agree they are at many many things, I’d guess that this has been polled and focused grouped.

    We’d all be surprised, no doubt, by what the common sense position on many things is.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — September 28, 2010 @ 8:06 am

  6. It is almost certainly incorrect that National polled 21-22% around a year out from the 2002 election. My recollection is they were mid 30s for most of the term, then their vote collapsed in the last cpl of weeks before the election, post the worm-debate, Dunne looking moderate, etc.

    Comment by factchecker — September 28, 2010 @ 8:15 am

  7. Canned beetroot is the best kind though, and that won’t be any cheaper :(

    Comment by JB — September 28, 2010 @ 8:18 am

  8. …for Don Brash it was white supremacy

    Oh you are glib.

    Comment by Stephen — September 28, 2010 @ 8:20 am

  9. ‘Canned beetroot is the best kind though, and that won’t be any cheaper’

    Rubbish, grow you own are the best, the flavour is so much stronger than anything you buy in a shop.

    Comment by ieuan — September 28, 2010 @ 8:22 am

  10. “He also floated the idea of demanding less revenue from state-owned power companies to ease electricity bills.”

    Way to go Phil. Just see how an effective government power subsidy plays with the shareholders of other power companies. Who would build a new power station in NZ under those circumstances?

    Ironic he says it at a time when it is Government/community owned monopoly lines companies that are asking for a huge increase in returns.

    Comment by insider — September 28, 2010 @ 9:03 am

  11. oh insider, such touching faith in the market.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 28, 2010 @ 9:16 am

  12. Sanctuary – the difference between the Double Dipper and the Do Nothings is that at least National looked like it was trying to win elections.

    Comment by JD — September 28, 2010 @ 9:21 am

  13. it won’t take much for Labour-Green-MP coalition to get the numbers, even with the middle class still being totally besotted by their man John key.

    The left is still on 40%, because this is a pretty left-wing country. But that’s still WAY short of where they need to be and they won’t get there unless they can carry the middle class. Which shouldn’t be hard – all you need is leaders and policies people like and want to vote for. Labour’s a long way away from either of those things though.

    Comment by danylmc — September 28, 2010 @ 9:36 am

  14. For someone who was enthusing about the excellence of this policy only a few weeks, you cheap cynicism doesn’t become you. Leave the glib potshots to the pros over at Kiwiblog.
    John Key’s values aren’t the values of the traditional NZ centrestream, but times are changing.
    You did, after all, vote for Gerry Brownlee, whose unpleasant values and behaviour are no secret to anyone who’s lived in Wellington for a few weeks!

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 9:45 am

  15. oh insider, such touching faith in the market.

    Actually, Sanctuary, I’d have a little more faith in Goff concern-trolling around electricity prices if he released an unequivocal policy that the next Labour-lead government would stop extracting nine-figure dividends from state-owned generation companies.

    Oh, and I wouldn’t underestimate Labour’s genius for shitting all over the Greens then coming over all shocked and outraged when they want to keep their distance.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — September 28, 2010 @ 9:50 am

  16. It is almost certainly incorrect that National polled 21-22% around a year out from the 2002 election. My recollection is they were mid 30s for most of the term…

    Yes, to the first part at least. The August 2001 Colmar-Brunton had Lab slipping five to 43, Nats up three to 38.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/content/53641

    Comment by Ethan Tucker — September 28, 2010 @ 9:51 am

  17. John Key’s values aren’t the values of the traditional NZ centrestream

    Still not over the fact that he’s a millionaire?

    Comment by Stephen — September 28, 2010 @ 10:00 am

  18. grow you own are the best, the flavour is so much stronger than anything you buy in a shop.

    I just planted beetroots (thus their presence in the post). What I’m finding is that the varieties of fruit and veges you get in the shops are usually chosen for cosmetic reasons or because they transport/keep well, while growing your own you can cultivate veges specifically for their taste. So yeah, they do taste a lot better.

    Comment by danylmc — September 28, 2010 @ 10:08 am

  19. Cunliffe is working on a major savings policy – my guess is compulsory savings combined with tax cuts or credits for all low income earners

    If so, he’s going to get shitted on from a great height when the savings task-force come back with its reccomendations. I’m willing to make the very big call that this is the one task-force Key and Co take the advice of.

    Sure, Superannuation is off the table in that discussion, but it’s not like Labour are going to risk touching it either.

    Comment by Phil — September 28, 2010 @ 10:13 am

  20. Yes, that’s it Stephen, you are such an incisive genius, I feel I have no choice but to confess the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. Everyone who has ever criticised John Key, Don Brash or Roger Douglas is just jealous that they are millionaires. Like everyone who criticises Paula Bennett is just jealous of her wealth, brilliance and lack of hypocracy.

    Dave “Halliburton” Farrar is another story though. People don’t like crony capitalism: their hard earned taxes being given to him to poll and spin for the govt.

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 10:16 am

  21. It’s spring. Can we have another gardening post soon?

    Comment by Me — September 28, 2010 @ 10:27 am

  22. David Cunliffe is working on a major savings policy…

    They could muddy the water for themselves by having to argue for something I doubt they actually believe in – this GST exemption – rather than savings and economic growth, which they probably do believe in.’

    But I’m not convinced that Cunliffe can put forward complex ideas.

    Comment by NeilM — September 28, 2010 @ 10:51 am

  23. I’ve got some Vietnamese Mint cuttings that are rooting very nicely and I’m sure would post well.

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 11:07 am

  24. Re Danyl @ 18 – one can also grow vegetables that are impossible to buy in a supermarket – i.e those that haven’t been off the plant for a week or more, or those that lose their freshness quickly – peas (NOT frozen) and broad beans – speaking of which I find that mine grew just as well under Labour as they do now under National. My broad beans have been flowering for some weeks now, but as a consequence of honey bees being somewhat thin on the ground, I’m waiting (I think) for the bumble bees to wake up and do their thing (with the broad beans I mean).
    Another gardening post please D

    Comment by John Thomson — September 28, 2010 @ 11:12 am

  25. “Dave “Halliburton” Farrar” – This meme is already getting tiresome. Like some evidence to back up those claims…? Otherwise, this just comes across as some jealous kind of smear campaign. (Must be a Labour Party Staffer then…).

    Goff’s statement – “We’ll have other policies also” almost sounds a little hesitant – but at least he realises that this is nowhere near enough. I think Key’s values on the other hand, or the appearance thereof, are very close to those of ‘mainstream’ NZ, and that this same electorate is actually moving closer to the right as a consequence of some pretty bad labour legislation in the last government. Nothing like a recession to make everyone focus on the economy stupid too… Labour are screwed until they can have leadership and image much fresher than the wilted and soggy fruit and vege currently on display (no ones going to buy them, GST-free or not)…

    “It’s spring. Can we have another gardening post soon?”

    I have just done one over at mine: http://bookofsam.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/fresh-fruit-and-vegetables/

    Comment by Sam — September 28, 2010 @ 11:20 am

  26. Labour party staffer trying out their new badge in damage control indeed.

    Also have planted cherry toms, habenero chilli, radish, mixed chillis and some wild flowers. Need to get onto the rocket and basil.

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 11:27 am

  27. “The August 2001 Colmar-Brunton had Lab slipping five to 43, Nats up three to 38.”

    Colmar Brunton always calls National too high, and I think that cycle was worse than most. Still, the main point — that National’s support didn’t fall through the floor until well into 2002 — holds.

    Comment by bradluen — September 28, 2010 @ 11:27 am

  28. I don’t think the middle class will be such an issue in the next election…the way we are going there won’t be too many people that are still considered middle class: just ultra rich and totally poor. That should really help with the Labour vote though.

    Comment by Tim — September 28, 2010 @ 11:28 am

  29. Dave “Halliburton” Farrar is an apt title. Farrar is running his spin/polling whatever he calls it on contracts from his incumbent pals. That is, on our taxpayers’ money. Like “Halliburton”. Get it now Sam?

    To quote Fran Wilde “But this week I was randomly selected by National’s pollsters Curia Market Research to do just that.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10623074&pnum=0

    Comment by Alistair — September 28, 2010 @ 11:39 am

  30. ACC hidden off book liabilities – Enron.

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 11:44 am

  31. So – he runs a market research company, and writes blogs. Where’s the conspiracy?

    Are you suggesting that National feed him the lines and pay to support the blog (as opposed to just paying for the market research)? Proof please (just get Mike ‘Truth’ Williams onto it), otherwise you are in potential libel-land.

    DPF isn’t always positive about what comes out of National either, but I guess that this is part of the cleverly crafted and maintained degree of tolerance to avoid detection huh?

    Comment by Sam — September 28, 2010 @ 11:47 am

  32. Fran also needs to look up the definition of push-polling – what she describes is nothing of the sort, and completely legitimate as a way of brand testing. Funny, too, how she labels herself a ‘journalist’… as if to try and trade on some of the ‘integrity’ that such a title brings…(!?)

    Comment by Sam — September 28, 2010 @ 11:52 am

  33. The National Party racistly banged on for years about 27K which was given to Chch hip-hop through a fair, transparent, bid process. The Nats campaigned on accountability for every dollar of government spending. Dave “Halliburton” Farrar is getting tens of thousands of no-bid taxpayer dollars. Unacceptable. Are you goobers going to claim Fran O’Sullivan is a Labour Party staffer also? My view is as a liberal and a taxpayer.

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 11:55 am

  34. Big Dog,

    Consider yourself outed :-D

    Dave “Halliburton” Farrar is another story though. People don’t like crony capitalism: their hard earned taxes being given to him to poll and spin for the govt.

    and

    Farrar is running his spin/polling whatever he calls it on contracts from his incumbent pals. That is, on our taxpayers’ money.

    The National party pays for the polling. The government is not the National party. National is not taxpayer funded unless you count election ads, I think.

    Comment by Stephen — September 28, 2010 @ 11:58 am

  35. Halliburton is a Welfare Queen. And he isn’t the only high-profile one from his party either.

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

  36. Dave “Halliburton” Farrar is getting tens of thousands of no-bid taxpayer dollars.

    Short answer:
    If Farrar is being paid to poll for National, then it’ll be coming out of their own party funds, which are usually donations. I am certain it wont be paid for via PS.

    Shorter answer:
    The Big Dog is a whiney little bitch.

    Comment by Phil — September 28, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

  37. There was something said in one of the posts on Garrett, along the lines that the ones that are the shrillest in opposing certain activities are usually the ones who indulge in the same — I think the spectre of Caphill was also evoked. Seems to me that we could productively ask some questions of those pushing the ‘Haliburton’ meme… no?

    “goobers” – ouch!

    Comment by Sam — September 28, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  38. I just keep clicking on your page to read that lovely line from Keats, over and over…

    Comment by southernrata — September 28, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

  39. Is The Big Dog complaining on Farrar’s blog? Or is he worried that Farrar will see his IP address.

    Comment by Pat — September 28, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

  40. “Consider yourself outed.” I am so scared of an ACT funded jackboot! Nice to know you “free-speech” folks are maintaining your usualstandards. http://thestandard.org.nz/david-farrars-conflict-of-interest

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

  41. Am I the only one who finds it mindly creepy that middle age men and their adoring sycophants have nothing better to do than track IP addresses from an average civilian? Sounds like a job for the Stasi.

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

  42. and now the inevitable sedge into stasi comparisons – most defn a Labour staffer spending too little time developing policy and too much time trolling on the internet.

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 12:21 pm

  43. I was present in select committee when Cunliffe rubbished the idea of a flat tax as those on higher incomes “would only save it [tax cuts]”. Perhaps he has had some economics coaching since then and now no longer believes that saving is bourgeois, counter-revolutionary or unpatriotic.
    But I doubt it.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 28, 2010 @ 12:23 pm

  44. My chillies are all sprouting – except for the really really hot Fijian bell peppers. Second year in a row they haven’t germinated. Tips, anyone?

    Comment by Me — September 28, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

  45. Second year in a row they haven’t germinated. Tips, anyone?

    Fijian? They’ll only sprout when grown in a military dictatorship.

    Comment by joe W — September 28, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

  46. John – you don’t need to wait for the bees, just use a little paintbrush to transfer the pollen yourself.

    Comment by Helenalex — September 28, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

  47. ….they’re so utterly lost and comprehensively doomed….
    Like unemployed kiwi on a cycle way to prosperity , or truckies trying to find their way from New Plymouth to Auckland on a third world highway?
    What a lot of self-satisfied wankers you are, rabbiting on about your precious vegies and taking the piss about one idea for alleviating the needs of the poor through taking tax off vegetables.

    And yes, as a flower grower I do enjoy seeing the duopoly selling bunches made of imported toxically treated flowers and foliage from the sweat-shops abroad. Stick to that meme and have some thought for the families whose adults clean your offices and toilets in the wee small hours, or load the shelves in those supermarket deli’s and departments you will condescend to buy in.

    Comment by Galeandra — September 28, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

  48. If the single idea was’t ill-thought out and ineffective, we might just stop taking the piss…

    Otherwise, all we are left with is this simple equation:
    1x ineffective ‘idea’ + “got nothing else” = so utterly lost and comprehensively doomed

    it’s just basic mathematics.

    Oh – and I can’t believe yo are wasting mother gaia’s precious resources on flower-growing when you could be planting bio-crops to help feed all the poor and downtrodden labour voters… how perfectly smug and middle-class of you.

    Comment by Sam — September 28, 2010 @ 1:03 pm

  49. @me – have you tried sprouting them on wet handy towels in the hot water cupboard? Where are the seeds from?

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

  50. have some thought for the families whose adults clean your offices and toilets in the wee small hours,

    I think about them a lot. Often it’s while I smile and say hello, as they come past my desk late at night and I’m still working.
    We usually talk about the weather, or the latest Phoenix results.

    Comment by Phil — September 28, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

  51. @me – like this http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/additional_germination_ideas.htm

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

  52. Oh well – the very conservative, fundamentalist Christian, Papakura father of two work colleague of mine who has a mortgage and keeps his family on 50k a year just switched back from National to Labour over this, so I’ll just leave the middle class wankfest of the blogsphere to rage at the loss of purity in the system.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 28, 2010 @ 1:14 pm

  53. Do you have any thoughts on the chilli seed germination conundrum Sanctuary old boy?

    Comment by blackspy — September 28, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

  54. “for Don Brash it was white supremacy wedded to abolition of the Maori seats”

    What’s wrong with a bit of equality and ‘one rule for all’?

    Comment by the bird is the word — September 28, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

  55. I doubt whether is allegiance switch will even register in the next round of polling.

    …unless he is one of the random participants that gets polled… perhaps you better ensure that he stands by the phone at dinner time…

    Comment by Sam — September 28, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

  56. National come up with an idea to reduce taxes for the rich and increase them for the poor, and Labour respond by proposing a tax change that won’t even reverse the effect of National’s one?

    When frozen beans are $2.50 per kg and fresh ones are $8 per Kg, what do you achieve by making a tax change that will reduce the price of the fresh ones to $7? Some people will get cheaper fresh beans, but it won’t be the poor who’s buying them. And some people may respond to the price drop by switching from frozen to fresh, but that won’t be the poor either.

    Why don’t Labour respond to National by proposing to reduce income tax for people on low incomes? Or reduce GST across the board and increase income tax on high incomes?

    They talk about income inequality, but they seem to have an aversion to doing anything that will actually reduce it.

    Comment by kahikatea — September 28, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

  57. Kia ora to that, Sanctuary. The smug elite won’t care. But those of us struggling to get by in this nihilistic govt
    boosted recession will appreciate it.

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 28, 2010 @ 1:22 pm

  58. “Consider yourself outed.” I am so scared of an ACT funded jackboot!

    Heh heh. What?! I was joking, jeez.

    This isn’t helping with making the slow transition to a gardening blog you know.

    Comment by Stephen — September 28, 2010 @ 1:32 pm

  59. Why don’t Labour respond to National by proposing to reduce income tax for people on low incomes? Or reduce GST across the board and increase income tax on high incomes?

    At a guess they probably want to release ‘blockbusters’ like that in election year, as seems to be the case for most policies. Why they don’t just release it now and bang on and on about it UNTIL then I don’t know.

    Comment by Stephen — September 28, 2010 @ 1:34 pm

  60. Often it’s because such ‘blockbuster’ policies would probably be stolen by the opposing faction.

    Comment by DeepRed — September 28, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

  61. It is pretty hard to protect your policy platform when the opposition will just steal it, use it, manipulate it and then make it worthless.

    These calls to ‘release policy’ now will just eventuate in what happened in the last election – National stealing all of the proposals in order to get elected and then slowly dismantling them when they get the chance. Isn’t that what the new Act pamphlets are saying??

    Comment by Tim — September 28, 2010 @ 2:12 pm

  62. Thanks blackspy. Unfortunately my hot water cupboard temperature is only 19C, too well insulated! So I added a hot water bottle and all the others have germinated but these super hot black ones. I have had luck this year putting them straight into potting mix, and with the tried-and-true damp paper towel method. Once they sprout they go on a window sill for all day sun, and spend the evening in front of the fire.

    Comment by Me — September 28, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

  63. Haven’t (yet) tried adding military to the dictatorship that is my household :-)

    Comment by Me — September 28, 2010 @ 2:23 pm

  64. What’s wrong with a bit of equality and ‘one rule for all’?

    To paraphrase Aristotle, there’s nothing more unequal than demanding that unequal people be treated as equals.

    Comment by danylmc — September 28, 2010 @ 2:32 pm

  65. To paraphrase Aristotle

    Aristotle had some pretty fucked-up theories. I don’t think he counts as a persuasive argument anymore.

    Comment by Phil — September 28, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

  66. Haven’t (yet) tried adding military to the dictatorship that is my household

    Try playing those sluggish Fijian peppers a Chuck Norris DVD.

    Comment by joe W — September 28, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

  67. Those seeds are obviously oppressed and need state aid in order to reach their potential.

    Comment by leon — September 28, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

  68. They’re black, so you might be right there.

    Comment by Me — September 28, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

  69. Someone told me the poor dine on cheap whte bread and weetbix twice a day. Why not pick on these staples rather than the elitist fresh veges?

    Why don’t Labour suggest a simple small benefit paid to each and every adult, in return for higher taxes? Have a flat rate of tax of 20% up to $48,000, but give every adult citizen, say, $80 a week (tax free) to compensate for life’s little costs. Reduce all benefits, WFF and national super by up to $80 a week to partially-pay for it, too. That leaves a smaller benefit that would be subject to means-testing, a smaller cost to beneficiaries when they come off their benefit and into paid work.

    If the 10.5% and 17.5% rate are increased to 20%, that would cost a worker earning $48k or more, $42 a week.
    So Sanctuary’s workmate may be up to $40 week better off: $80 for him, $80 for Mrs, less $42 a week in tax increase for him, less $80 cut in WFF.
    $40 is GST on about $267+gst ($307 incl gst) worth of fresh veges.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 28, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

  70. The Labour Party has does not what a plot is, so it has not lost it.

    GST free fresh fruit and vegetables is going to gain how many votes? Sue Kedgeley is still going to vote Green.

    Fruit and vegetables are fundamentally sugar and water. Hey why not take gst off the soda pops, the fruit juices?

    What is wrong about the various preserved forms of fruit and vegetables?

    Whoever persuaded the party to adopt this idiocy has to be a Crosby Textor mole.

    Given the nanny state tag this policy is suicide.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — September 28, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

  71. “Oh well – the very conservative, fundamentalist Christian, Papakura father of two work colleague of mine who has a mortgage and keeps his family on 50k a year just switched back from National to Labour over this…”

    Comment by Sanctuary

    “Hmmm, the fundy married father of two from Papakura who I work with just switched his vote back to Labour over this.”

    Comment by Tom Semmens

    http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2730,hard-news-the-gst-punt.sm?i=30#forum-replies

    Freaky…a lot of Papakura fundies are switching their votes…

    Comment by Pat — September 28, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

  72. “Those seeds are obviously oppressed and need state aid in order to reach their potential.”

    “They’re black, so you might be right there.”

    I thought their last album did alright though?

    Comment by Sam Finnemore — September 28, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

  73. Don’t shackle them with stereotypes

    Comment by leon — September 28, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

  74. Fruit and vegetables are fundamentally sugar and water.

    What a hurtful stereotype. Let’s not forget, the leafy vegetables also contain plenty of indigestible cellulose…

    Comment by Psycho Milt — September 28, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

  75. With the “No-GST-on-veges” policy, Goff seems to be going “National-lite”.

    Comment by Mr February — September 28, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

  76. Thank you, Psycho Milt.

    All that useless “healthy” indigestible fibre should also be tax free.

    After all it does not do anything, so why tax it?

    Silly Labour Party, cannot see the bleeding obvious.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — September 28, 2010 @ 9:31 pm

  77. Dunno how much of a votecatcher this going to be. Anecdotally, we have had the same Pakuranga fundie going to change his vote over this (Mr Semmens and Sanctuary – did they both hear the same anecdote?) but no one else. Mana may provide some more solid numbers, but I am still doubtful…

    Comment by Leopold — September 29, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  78. Perhaps Tom is simply Sanctuary…, or is this an invented labour anecdote, prepared for their blogging response unit, in the hope that it will massage support their way before the next round of polling ;)

    Comment by Sam — September 29, 2010 @ 8:52 am

  79. Yes! You can have bananas
    GST free bananas today!
    and string beans and onions, cabbages and scallions
    but not KFC or special K
    We’ll take GST off the salad
    But bread, beef and beer’s still invalid
    So go suck your bananas
    The workers are still gonna pay
    If they want choices
    The workers are still gonna pay.

    Comment by Don Franks — September 29, 2010 @ 9:27 am

  80. I confess Sam, I am Tom and Sanctuary. In fact, all of us are actually Heather Simpson, acting under text order from a New York based communist conspiracy!

    Comment by The Big Dog — September 29, 2010 @ 9:37 am

  81. Chicago, surely?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — September 29, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  82. “I confess Sam”

    ’bout time…

    Comment by Sam — September 29, 2010 @ 12:11 pm


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