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October 27, 2010

And back again

Filed under: movies,Politics — danylmc @ 7:40 pm

The Herald reports that the Hobbit will be filmed in New Zealand:

The Government will introduce legislation tomorrow to clarify the distinction between independent contractors and employees as it relates to the film industry only.

“This will guarantee the movies are made in New Zealand,” Mr Key said.

Tax rebates will also be changed for Warner Bros, which will mean up to an extra US$7.5m per movie for Warner Bros, subject to the success of the movies.

DPF adds:

  • Government will tomorrow introduce a bill to clarify law on contractors for the film industry (only)
  • A widening of the criteria for major film tax rebates which will come up at US$7.5m per film
  • Govt to commit US$10m towards marketing of the films, in exchange for NZ tourism information being included in materials such as DVDs

A very John Key touch, that last point – including a tourism ad on a major studio film DVD is probably worth a lot more than ten million dollars in international marketing costs. Seems to me that the studios demands and the deal made around taxes lets the CTU walk away with their head held high as well – their talking point was that this was about a tax deal all along. I can’t see Kelly being offered a high spot on the Labour list though . . .

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  1. This is bad for Phil Goff

    Comment by Neil — October 27, 2010 @ 7:42 pm

  2. This is bad for Labour.

    What do they do? Oppose it?… “Look – Labour opposes The Hobbit being filmed in NZ!”

    Play the cautious, let’s just slow things down, angle? “Look – Goff has no cojones!”

    Agree with Key?

    Seriously. Who would want to be Goff right now.

    Comment by J Mex — October 27, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

  3. They don’t say anything – it’d just give it legs. Now that it’s over it should disappear as a story.

    Comment by danylmc — October 27, 2010 @ 7:51 pm

  4. Canny work by Key. We were never going to get out of this without forking over more dosh (dammit), but he’s got Time Warner, Warner Brothers and Peter Jackson to agree to promote the hell out of New Zealand. That’s more payback than I expected.

    Comment by Ataahua — October 27, 2010 @ 7:54 pm

  5. he made a deal which seems so obvious but no-one expected.

    Comment by NeilM — October 27, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

  6. Absolutely disgusting — central America has the American Fruit Company runnng their countries, we have Hollywood do the same here.

    Comment by Andrew R — October 27, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

  7. Danyl, have you considered a career change? Your end comment about Kalamity Kelly and the unions would put you amongst the top echelon of spin weasels in this country. A done deal was reopened by their stupidity.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — October 27, 2010 @ 8:01 pm

  8. Absolutely disgusting — central America had the banana com[panies runnng their countries, we have Hollywood do the same here.

    Comment by Andrew R — October 27, 2010 @ 8:01 pm

  9. well I suppose if the unions are to be held repsonsible for unintended consequences then we should congratulate Kelly for this massive investment in promoting NZ.

    Actually I would, as long as they learn a few lessons about picking battles.

    Comment by NeilM — October 27, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

  10. …would put you amongst the top echelon of spin weasels in this country.

    Is there anyone involved in this clusterfuck who hasn’t been peddling self-serving spin, BB? The CTU are going to have theirs, just like you and NeilM have yours about “the unions.”

    Comment by Psycho Milt — October 27, 2010 @ 8:36 pm

  11. Danyl, have you considered a career change?

    Computational biology needs me.

    Comment by danylmc — October 27, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

  12. Seems like a good deal, and a good win for Key.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — October 27, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

  13. seems like a good win for who?

    Comment by k.jones — October 27, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

  14. PM, the movie was being made here before the militant luvvies cock fingered it. John key just pulled a cats arse over a bucket. Kelly, Malcolm Lealand and Whipp deserve the nations scorn.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — October 27, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

  15. John Key just kicked the shit out of Labour and their militant provisional wing, the unions.

    Expect the Mana by-election to now be a real fight.

    Ponder on how the leadership aspirations of Andrew Little have been dealt a death blow. Why would anybody vote for a party lead by the greatest job destroyer ever?

    Comment by Adolf Fiinkensein — October 27, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

  16. >>Seems like a good deal, and a good win for Key.

    >seems like a good win for who?

    For JOHN Key. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — October 27, 2010 @ 8:53 pm

  17. Well, almost everyone got what they wanted, and more.

    But the issue of wages and conditions in the film industry will not go away.

    That said, I am glad that the Hobbit is going to be filmed in New Zealand, and that His Grace Lord Peter is going to be director.

    To me (and a hell of a lot others) New Zealand is the one true Middle Earth.

    So you will all be sharing notes with the tea-bagger movement in the US, then?

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 9:02 pm

  18. “Ponder on how the leadership aspirations of Andrew Little have been dealt a death blow. Why would anybody vote for a party lead by the greatest job destroyer ever?”

    Piss off to union-free China. And take your boyfriend Bill with you too.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

  19. Undoubtedly a huge political win for Key and I’m not so sure that the union walks away cleanly – surely the political line will be “we had to sweeten the pot because the unions f$&@ked this up”

    Interested to see the details of the ‘clarification’ but I really hate our employment law being changed on the fly for individual industries when the heads of major multinationals fly in for a chat with the Cabinet. But on the whole I expect mass NZ to not care about that.

    Comment by garethw — October 27, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

  20. I resent being manipulated -by all sides.

    Every night there have been media releases whipping up a public frenzy.

    Can’t help but feel that all the players have been trying to manipulate public opinion to achieve their various ends.

    Everyone who has strong feelings after watching the news should feel used.

    Comment by Graeme — October 27, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

  21. Hi Ben

    yes forgive me, I thought perhaps you might have considered that the real winners (if there can be such as thing in this strange chain of events) are of course the studio.

    As far as winners go, the studio got their “deal” made before they even hopped on the plane to NZ, as key has publicly declared his willingness to move on $$, and empoyment law (once english was told to shut up).

    Soooo they’ve offset some of the currency fluctations since the orginal costing, maintained the location, intial investment, kept PJ happy etc.

    Its important to realise this film is no Halo. Its a true to formula money maker in recessionary times. They’d be laffing, with more reason than yr pals at the toll farm.

    Apologies for any confusion

    K Jones

    Comment by k.jones — October 27, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

  22. Korrection – it does take a heavy “toll”, but could also read “troll” farm

    Comment by k.jones — October 27, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

  23. Me yesterday:

    My pick is legislation to overrule the Supreme Court decision on the independent contractor/employee case from LOTR. The legislation will be finite and will exist for the duration of the Hobbit only.

    That’s what I’d do anyway. Politically and pragmatically it’s the best result.

    I wasn’t far off.

    Gareth, employment law has specialist industries now that don’t deserve the same privileges as others – for example, certain sectors are banned from striking.

    Comment by Nick K — October 27, 2010 @ 9:26 pm

  24. So wait. The movie does well… and they get… more money? Some kind of backward-ass performance-related populism?

    Never in my life have I been subjected to such a pathetic, meaningless, engineered media circus with the ego of one pollie at the centre. I’d say I’m ashamed to be a Kiwi, but I’m actually just really fucking ashamed to be human.

    Comment by Dizzy — October 27, 2010 @ 9:31 pm

  25. What’s there to be ashamed about? Success? Fame? Tourism? Jobs?

    The glass is always half empty, isn’t it Dizzy.

    Comment by Nick K — October 27, 2010 @ 9:38 pm

  26. Massive win for Key. Wasn’t he going to take it up the arse from Warners Sanc/Guy? Ha ha.

    Comment by leon — October 27, 2010 @ 9:39 pm

  27. “Kelly, Malcolm Lealand and Whipp deserve the nations scorn.”

    To be fair, the actors involved in this probably don’t have a lot of economics training between them – they seem to be genuinely under the misconception that a union acts in the best interests of its members. Kelly and Whipp, on the other hand, will at least intuitively understand the ‘insider-outsider’ problem, but as ‘insiders’ they wouldn’t give a toss.

    Comment by Miguel Sanchez — October 27, 2010 @ 9:40 pm

  28. Don’t think you are reading this well Danyl. The ‘text in’ poll on Close Up had 52% against giving Warner’s more money – and this is one of those totally right-leaning text in polls with no validity. I reckon people are going to see this for what it is – a money grabbing company screwing us Mexicans with cell phones.

    This won’t stick to labour. It is a bit ridiculous to try and get it to really…how would you justfify that? The wider public certainly won’t be seeing it this way.

    This has just made it really clear that this was never about the industrial action of the actors. Key can repeat that line again and again; but the truth is they are just scape goats. If it was just about the actors, the change in the law that will be rammed through pretty much garuntees that their ‘industrial’ problems will disappear – so why the extra tax break?

    We have been well and truly taken for a ride. Usually you are so astute Danyl – not on this though!

    Comment by Tim — October 27, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

  29. Oh by the way…I am so embarrassed to live in a country whose Prime Minister can devote this much time for ten movie wankers for California. We looked SO third world today.

    Just wondering when someone will start talking about spending money on developing an economy that is not going to rely on competing with Eastern Europe to survive. Where we won’t have to undercut them by being willing to work for less. I wonder how other NZ business owners feel who work so bloody hard but won’t get a one on one with Key, or a tax break.

    Comment by Tim — October 27, 2010 @ 10:01 pm

  30. “Just wondering when someone will start talking about spending money on developing an economy that is not going to rely on competing with Eastern Europe to survive. Where we won’t have to undercut them by being willing to work for less. I wonder how other NZ business owners feel who work so bloody hard but won’t get a one on one with Key, or a tax break.”

    Hear hear tim. That is my opinion too. We need industries that provide high paying, skilled jobs, and the film industry isnt it.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:03 pm

  31. “Wasn’t he going to take it up the arse from Warners Sanc/Guy?”

    Interesting choice of phrase for you to falsely credit me with leon.

    It’s a good result for Warner Bros anyway.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — October 27, 2010 @ 10:03 pm

  32. If it was just about the actors, the change in the law that will be rammed through pretty much garuntees that their ‘industrial’ problems will disappear

    It doesn’t even do that. Most of AE’s members are independent contractors and that didn’t stop them calling the boycott. The change is meaningless in terms of preventing industrial action.

    The threats to take the hobbit offshore were always about the tax breaks.

    Comment by IrishBill — October 27, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

  33. A good result for New Zealand, including the deep sixing of the CTU and Labour.

    Comment by leon — October 27, 2010 @ 10:11 pm

  34. Cool leon, I take it you dig slave labour and sweatshops too. Expendable workers?

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:14 pm

  35. I can just see how the conversation went.

    Warner Bros: So, you got the money?
    PM: Yep. You got the stuff?
    Warner Bros: Sure I have the stuff. I don’t have it with me here right now. I have it close by.
    PM: Oh… well I don’t have the money either. I have it close by too.
    Warner Bros: Where? Down in your car?
    PM: [lying] Uh… no. Not in the car.
    Warner Bros: No?
    PM: What about you? Where do you keep your stuff?
    Warner Bros: Not far.
    PM: I ain’t getting the money unless I see the stuff first.
    Warner Bros: No, no. First the money, then the stuff.
    PM: [after a long tense pause] Okay. You want me to come in, and we start over again?
    Warner Bros: [changing the subject] Where are you from, John?
    PM: [getting angry and supicious] What the fuck difference does that make on where I’m from?
    Warner Bros: Cona, Johnny. I’m just asking just so I know who I’m doing business with.
    PM: Well, you can know about me when you stop fucking around and start doing business with me.

    Comment by Gregor White — October 27, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

  36. “We need industries that provide high paying, skilled jobs, and the film industry isnt it.”

    Millsy does sarcasm! Film at 11.

    Comment by The Double Standard — October 27, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

  37. I care about NZ moving ahead and not being held to ransom by dinosaurs and idiots like the EA, MEAA, CTU and the Labour Party. :)

    Comment by leon — October 27, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

  38. The rev counter really is in the red tonight lads.
    Is anybody still travelling under the mis-conception that the actions of whipp and his team caused this?
    FFS, the movie was locked in before this started. It is the very fact that they called for a boycott that brought us to this point. If they had done nothing the threat to pull out would never have emerged.
    All they have achieved is (probably) less protection for workers, a bigger subsidy for a foreign company and a massive publicity boost for John Key.
    How anybody can try and spin this any other way without bursting into flames is more fantastical than a tolkien story.

    This is the last decade in three weeks.
    The parents have gone away for the weekend (Labour in Govt for 10 years), house gets trashed, fish tank has a turd floating in it, all the food is eaten and the cat is missing after somebody threw up on the living room carpet. Parents come home (National are elected govt) and find the place wrecked and have to spend a decade fixing the mess the kids made.
    Idiots.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — October 27, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

  39. Leon prefers that we are held to ransom by a film execs from ‘elay’. Rule you capitalists, rule.

    Don’t worry, I think we should get back into making clothing and compete with the Phillipines. Key could strip us of all our worker’s rights and we could all start working for 60 cents a day…

    Comment by Tim — October 27, 2010 @ 10:24 pm

  40. Bill, how many hospitals did National close between 1990 and 1999? How many did Labour close between 1999 and 2008?

    That, sir is why Labour had to ‘trash the house’, because people like you wanted lower taxes at the expense of medical services in the reigons.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:28 pm

  41. Grow up Tim, the EA, MEAA, CTU and Labour fucked the Hobbit production that was all ready to roll and the EA, MEAA, CTU and Labour are directly responsible for the extra costs the country has bourne to retain the films.

    Everyone in the country knows this.

    Comment by leon — October 27, 2010 @ 10:29 pm

  42. Why dont you grow up Leon, frankly, we need HIGH WAGES, not LOW WAGES like you want.

    Tell me Leon, do you want wages to be cut? Do you want slavery brought back?

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:30 pm

  43. I want a competent opposition. Will I get that for xmas 2010?

    Comment by leon — October 27, 2010 @ 10:32 pm

  44. “43.I want a competent opposition”

    Your compentent opposition is National-lite. Tell me, do you want to ban unions. Because it sounds like you do.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:35 pm

  45. from shithead Mallard

    When experienced union leaders reach agreement and give assurances, the government should accept them, rather than change employment law to suit an overseas investor.</i.

    oh yeah, let's all think Robyn Malcolm has any sort of grasp on reality.

    Labour, fuckwits.

    Comment by NeilM — October 27, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

  46. Piss off Neil, to China, no unions here, Robyn Malcolm can just get shot, and the slave get forced back in line to work for 50c an hour.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

  47. Yawn, millsy why not go back to trolling at PAS?

    Comment by The Double Standard — October 27, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

  48. It has not been a great couple of years for the unions, we had the EPMU fail miserably to help the telecom lines teams keep their jobs, the teachers union politicise completely and turn off the parents and now the luvvies have made the PM more popular while risking a half billion dollar project and shooting their own members in the head with a law change that will no doubt erode their rights.
    Baring that in mind I complete understand Millsy getting his panties knotted on here tonight.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — October 27, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

  49. Hey DS – go and fly over to America, give the Tea-baggers some hints on how to oppose high wages and conditions for workers.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

  50. Why are so opposed to unions and high wages Bill.

    Do you really see the cotton plantations of the American South during the 1850’s as the pinnacle of prosperity?

    And what is wrong with job securty and being an employee, as a oppsed to being forced to be a contractor?

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

  51. Oh and Bill, I seem to remember that the EPMU got its oil rig workers (an industry of job security and HIGH WAGES), pay parity with their Australian counterparts. Can you see Our Great Lord King His Immaculate Majesty Peter Jackson doing that? Nope, not in a million years.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 10:55 pm

  52. You really are laughable Brendan Mills.

    Comment by The Double Standard — October 27, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

  53. Yes, I belive that my what my real name is.

    Only it is spelt ‘on’, not ‘an’. My high school did that for 5 years.

    Now what is your real name Double Standard?

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 11:01 pm

  54. Almost unbelievable that you can make the leap between cotton pickers hundreds of years ago and 5 grand a week organic scenery in 2010. But somehow you almost pull it off.
    All we need now is for you to call one of us Hitler and the logic enema will have done its job.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — October 27, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

  55. “54.Almost unbelievable that you can make the leap between cotton pickers hundreds of years ago and 5 grand a week organic scenery in 2010. ”

    Given that slavery didnt require employment laws the comparison is valid.

    Anyway, heading to bed. You got your film, and you got to destory a union or two in the process. I think you did well this week. If I were you I would be down at the pub celebrating. (another low wage industry).

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

  56. What, Brendan on Mills? That’s weird.

    Anyway, I think the takeaway point here for the union’s is that you shouldn’t push the nuclear button before even opening discussions. Talk about stupid, it looks like MEAA deserves the gold medal!

    Comment by The Double Standard — October 27, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

  57. Brendon Mills – that is how it is spelt.

    Now come on Double Standard, whats your real name? Even Bill has given his real name out a while back. Your turn.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

  58. I guess BB and Double standard have follow my suggestion and gone to the pub to celebrate – and they got some big juicy hits this week.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

  59. Sure is kiwiblog in here.

    Comment by Jake — October 28, 2010 @ 2:47 am

  60. It is a massive defeat for the Small Government/ Free Market right wing. Notice how quiet Rodney has been about this?

    Comment by Another Kiwi — October 28, 2010 @ 4:43 am

  61. is computational biology like speed-dating?

    Comment by Monkey Boy — October 28, 2010 @ 6:24 am

  62. Well, Geoff Robinson just won the saycophant of the year award with his interview with Key this morning.

    Comment by Sanctuary — October 28, 2010 @ 7:14 am

  63. Oh yes, and listening to the vox pops around the traps there is significant unease that our country kow towed to a Hollywood movie company. In particular, I suspect that the unease at changing our Labour laws to suit the United Banana Company errrr, I mean Warners, will take any shine off Key’s deal.

    Comment by Sanctuary — October 28, 2010 @ 7:19 am

  64. Well, Geoff Robinson just won the sycophant of the year award with his interview with Kelly this morning.

    Comment by Pat — October 28, 2010 @ 7:24 am

  65. Oh come on – Robinson’s question about Key’s experience as a money trader was so cringe worthy I turned the radio off for five minutes.

    Comment by Sanctuary — October 28, 2010 @ 7:32 am

  66. I doubt that the travel-logue bit on the DVD will be worth jack.

    a) they were probably going to put something like this on the DVD anyway, b) nobody watches that part of a DVD.

    Comment by Richard — October 28, 2010 @ 8:06 am

  67. Sorry was that a puppet outing?

    Comment by greg — October 28, 2010 @ 8:07 am

  68. Luckily, Trevor Mallard is flying the Labour flag “we will oppose this change”

    Comment by The Double Standard — October 28, 2010 @ 8:12 am

  69. Hmmmm, increasingly I am getting the feeling this might not go as swimmingly as John Key thinks. Much of the anti-union reaction was generated by playing on the same sort of anti-union narrative as the foolish Tania Harris’s anti-union “Kiwi’s care” march in 1981.

    A PR campaign featuring a hyper-patriotic McCartyist witch hunt against the evil foreign agents of the trade unions who are conspiring against our way of life (they were working class Brits in 1981, an Aussie is filling the role this toime around)runs well with the sort of people who think a real New Zealander is white and owns a bach, a boat and a BMW.

    The trouble with hyper-patriotic witch hunts is it is difficult to square the circle the square when the solution is selling out to a foreign corporation, and the vox-pops are reflecting that.

    Comment by Sanctuary — October 28, 2010 @ 8:31 am

  70. Kelly is completely blinded by her ideology. She’s still spouting the “we only wanted to talk” line which is comeplelely untrue, the unions did the boycott thing before even asking Jackson to talk. Never mind the he was competely the wrong tagret.

    And now she claims to be concerned about the rights of film workers who she just called a lynch mob.

    The CTU shows no signs of having learnt to more careful over which battles to fight. If the and Labour had been in charge we would have lost the films to the immense disadvantage to nZ. But a small price to pay for the class war clearly.

    Comment by NeilM — October 28, 2010 @ 8:52 am

  71. “If the (sic) and Labour had been in charge we would have lost the films to the immense (sic) disadvantage to nZ (sic).”

    Cling to that Neil, cling to that.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — October 28, 2010 @ 9:05 am

  72. a victory for workers, a defeat for the union bosses. Didn’t need to be like that.

    Comment by NeilM — October 28, 2010 @ 9:07 am

  73. Wow Kiwiblog has changes their site design without notice….

    Comment by max — October 28, 2010 @ 9:10 am

  74. The law change has absolutely nothing to do with actors, they were never going to be meeting the criteria under that Supreme Court decision to be classified as employees.

    Instead the law change will hit the film technicians, a bunch of people who never threatened industrial action and instead rallied in support of Warners. Which makes it rather odd that this was considered the deal breaker.

    Nothing in the deal struck relates at all to the people that were supposedly to blame.

    Comment by JB — October 28, 2010 @ 9:17 am

  75. Instead the law change will hit the film technicians, a bunch of people who never threatened industrial action and instead rallied in support of Warners.

    Exactly. And Key gets to bask in glory for shafting them and pretend he’s done them an enormous favour (stops to bang head on desk). Thank you, NZAE – another great victory for the workers…

    Comment by Psycho Milt — October 28, 2010 @ 9:31 am

  76. shafting them? I think I’d let the film workers decide that for themselves.

    Comment by NeilM — October 28, 2010 @ 9:36 am

  77. Thank you, NZAE – another great victory for the workers…

    That’s hardly NZAE’s fault. If the film technicians didn’t want to get shafted they should have marched for the rights of film workers rather than march against the rights of film workers.

    Comment by Richard — October 28, 2010 @ 9:38 am

  78. @ Richard

    They did march for the rights of film workers. Their right to remain gainfully employed under their own terms.

    Actors Equity was not proposing amended rights for film workers. They were proposing amended rights for ACTORS (the name gives it away).

    Comment by Gregor White — October 28, 2010 @ 10:08 am

  79. Film workers don’t appear to feel shafted – they look pretty happy. It was a union acting without a mandate from its members that caused this mess – AE never consulted its members before calling for a boycott. If Kelly wants to pick a fight on behalf of workers who do not want her to that it will just show how lessons have not been learnt.

    Comment by NeilM — October 28, 2010 @ 10:15 am

  80. Yep. The technicians wanted to keep their good conditions on jobs in NZ, rather than the slightly better conditions on the jobs that were no longer in the country.

    Comment by J Mex — October 28, 2010 @ 10:17 am

  81. It is a massive defeat for the Small Government/ Free Market right wing. Notice how quiet Rodney has been about this? ,/I>

    Oh piss off you ninny…if anything this whole issue has reinforced the the case for seperating the state from the economy and removing gun point privilage from everyone so they have to rationally deal with each other in true free trade.If there were no state sweeteners on offer and Warners et el had to negotiate with local private peole in a real free market here there would have been none of this nonsense.

    NZ would be a tax haven that would draw foreign companies like moths to a flame and Kiwis would be drowning in the money that was being pumped into our country….no welfare state or associated state bullshit required.Oh the horror of that eh Millsy you sad tit sucker.
    ;-)

    Comment by James — October 28, 2010 @ 10:55 am

  82. “NZ would be a tax haven that would draw foreign companies like moths to a flame and Kiwis would be drowning in the money that was being pumped into our country.”

    Just like Iceland.

    Comment by Gregor White — October 28, 2010 @ 11:01 am

  83. “Just like Iceland”

    Or Ireland

    Comment by max — October 28, 2010 @ 11:14 am

  84. Yep. The technicians wanted to keep their good conditions on jobs in NZ, rather than the slightly better conditions on the jobs that were no longer in the country.

    I think it’s desparately naive of you to believe that the technician’s jobs were at risk because of a few actors wanting to negotiate different terms. Which is the whole point of this issue.

    Comment by Richard — October 28, 2010 @ 11:19 am

  85. Hissy fits anyone.The vemom from the left only demonstrates their culpability

    Comment by Minto58 — October 28, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

  86. Richard – we are sold the line that these big H’wood movies are what gives the NZ film industry it’s mojo, allowing the numerable smaller, real kiwi films to be made. i don’t know how much truth is in that,as I am no industry expert, but, as all sides seem to be selling it, it hardly seems desperately naive to buy into it.

    “a few actors wanting to negotiate different terms”
    A few actors = an international boycott! I’m sorry, but that’s the whole issue isn’t it, their desperate naivety ensured that they lost any chance of public support. They got noticed aright, but for all the wrong reasons. If the union’s learn from this (and they probably won’t), then everyone wins from the recouping of this sorry debacle.

    Comment by Sam — October 28, 2010 @ 1:27 pm

  87. Since when were Iceland or Ireland free markets?
    ;-)

    Comment by James — October 28, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

  88. >Hi Ben Yes forgive me, I thought perhaps you might have considered that the real winners (if there can be such as thing in this strange chain of events) are of course the studio.

    You thought wrong. There were numerous winners. All the people who kept their jobs. All the people who will get jobs. All the people selling things to those people who will have money. All the people who don’t have to pay their dole cheques through taxes. NZ Tourism generally. Peter Jackson, his colleagues and companies. The future of big budget film in NZ. The National Party.

    There were also losers. The Irish film industry. Brain-dead left wing trolls (although they were already losers).

    There were people who neither won nor lost. The unions. Labour. People in Timbuktu.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — October 28, 2010 @ 3:52 pm

  89. @ James “Since when were Iceland or Ireland free markets?”

    I assume you are joking but in case you aren’t; ‘free markets’ since both countries were subject to essentially unregulated and massive capital inflow (eurozone debt), causing enormous speculative F.I.R.E. sector bubbles in otherwise moribund their economies, which subsequently tanked when the music stopped.

    Comment by Gregor White — October 28, 2010 @ 4:04 pm

  90. My friend who used to be an aid worker in Northern Somalia reckons Northern Somalia is pretty close to being a free market (though perhaps James would argue that the presence of aid workers is a market distortion).

    Comment by kahikatea — October 28, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

  91. I guess Ireland and Iceland weren’t free markets since about the time when the USSR wasn’t communist.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — October 28, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

  92. So who’s going to see The Hobbit when it is released for general distrubution – And I dont mean download it, I mean actually turn up at the movie theatre and actually pay for a ticket and watch it.

    Comment by millsy — January 2, 2011 @ 7:18 pm

  93. actually turn up at the movie theatre and actually pay for a ticket and watch it

    Ummm… me?

    Comment by Phil — January 3, 2011 @ 10:07 pm


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