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October 27, 2010

McCarten in Mana

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 1:29 pm

The Herald reports:

Veteran political organiser Matt McCarten is putting his hat in the ring for the upcoming Mana by-election.

The outspoken union boss, who announced in September he is battling cancer, will stand against Labour selection Kris Faa’foi, National MP Hekia Parata and Green Party candidate Jan Logie.

His announcement comes on the last day for candidate nominations.

I think electorate voters are unlikely to select an MP with metastasising bowel cancer even if he is Matt McCarten (who is less well known down here than in Auckland).

So I think the impact on Labour’s vote will be minimal unless he becomes a form of protest vote which – if it were significant – would lead to a National victory. I guess McCarten sees it as a platform to campaign for workers rights.

The howls of treason from The Standard are going to be amusing: they had a post on Mana a few days ago with interesting comments from someone calling themself ‘Swordfish’, who is obviously an organiser on Kris Faafoi’s campaign.

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  1. I guess he sees it as a platform to campaign for workers rights.

    Or to push Labour/Faafoi to swing left a bit? – That Labour party will have to work for their vote now.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4276940/McCarten-to-run-in-Mana-by-election

    Comment by Stephen — October 27, 2010 @ 1:36 pm

  2. This is not good for Phl…

    Comment by Clunking Fist — October 27, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

  3. Interesting move, especially noting what’s been going on with the unions in the film industry recently – I can’t imagine that a unionist candidate would be especially popular right now.

    Comment by Erayd — October 27, 2010 @ 1:41 pm

  4. I think it will be frustrating for Goff, but if he Labour does lose after a scorched earth, split the vote campaign by McCarten (and I doubt they will) most of the blame would fall on McCarten.

    Comment by danylmc — October 27, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

  5. This is good for Phil Goff.

    Somebody shouting “Sellout Class Traitor” would come in very handy right about now.

    Somebody asking the Maori Party MPs if they support their (ex?) strategist or Hekia Parata, would ruffle a few cloak feathers too.

    Comment by sammy — October 27, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

  6. This is goff for Phil Good

    Comment by taranaki — October 27, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

  7. The howls of treason from The Standard are going to be amusing [...]

    So it begins:

    Interested in speculations around his motivations. This is not about him as he knows he is unlikely to win – and the 2011 General Election campaign is on in only a number of months anyways. You’d win and then have to defend again in a very short space of time.

    So what is this really about.

    And so it begins…

    Comment by Sam Finnemore — October 27, 2010 @ 3:03 pm

  8. “howls of treason from The Standard”. Funny. The Standard’s post is actually nothing like you thought:

    ‘This is a typically gutsy move by McCarten, who announced only recently that he has “the killing kind of cancer”. Facing such a struggle, some people might be looking to withdraw from the stresses of a public life. Clearly not Matt!

    While I salute Matt’s endless courage and commitment, and would never question anyone’s right to stand, I do wonder at the political wisdom of this latest move. Matt isn’t going to win in Mana. Labour’s Kris Faa’foi is a strong candidate in a Labour seat. The Greens claim that their candidate Jan Logie is doing very well. A third candidate on the left simply isn’t going to find the space for a win.’

    You’re not very good at this political analysis thing, Danyl. Stick to the jokes maybe?

    Comment by Lying Danyl — October 27, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

  9. danyl you will pay the terrible price when the standardistas get out of their chairs, put away the bigguns and waddle slowly after you listening to mp3s of the internationale

    their zings will be all powerful, you will pay for your electronic class treason

    Comment by JD — October 27, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

  10. This is bad for Jan Logie.

    There’s significant crossover between the Green’s workers’ rights policies and that of Unite’s, and at least the Greens have a party organisation in the electorate, and likely more resources than McCarten could gather in 3 weeks. If workers’ rights is his goal, then why not via Unite Union, or in an electorate where he has more recognition??

    Comment by Marsoe — October 27, 2010 @ 4:48 pm

  11. Jan Logie will be campaigning on many of the policies that Matt McCarten stands for, but despite that, I get the impression that The Greens’ support base and Matt McCarten’s support base don’t overlap that much.

    Comment by kahikatea — October 27, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

  12. Good point kahikatea, which begs the question of why the Greens put so much focus on union-focused policies when they win so few votes from it, and actually probably lose a huge number of votes from people who would otherwise vote Green but get put off by “watermelon” concerns.

    Bacl to the issue, seems pretty stupid for McCarten to undercut Labour in the very same week he praised their conference….

    Comment by jarbury — October 27, 2010 @ 5:32 pm

  13. Geez Danyl you’ve whistled the freakshow out today.

    Comment by leon — October 27, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

  14. McCarten doesn’t give a toss if Labour loses Mana — it’s not like the government hinges on the seat. His life’s goal is to return a working class party to NZ politics (and obviously he doesn’t think Labour is that party), and that’s most easily achieved with a sitting MP. If he thinks this is his last shot, well, it’s a tough but not impossible one — weirder stuff has happened in by-elections.

    Comment by bradluen — October 27, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

  15. I just find it hilarious that Danyl constantly finds the need to have a go at the standard but has to make shit up every time. You’d think he’d learn.

    Comment by Maximilian Pflaum — October 27, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

  16. Danyl got burned big time here.

    Comment by Francisco Hernandez — October 27, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

  17. I would love to know why Parata thinks that people would vote for her if she is already in Parliament. There is absolutely nothing to stop her from opening an electorate office in Mana, and gaining a presence there. And also National giving some fresh talent a go – like Inga Tuigilama, or Micheal Jones.

    Comment by millsy — October 27, 2010 @ 9:17 pm

  18. I just find it hilarious that Danyl constantly finds the need to have a go at the standard but has to make shit up every time. You’d think he’d learn.

    I have no interest in defending Danyl, but I’m sure there’s more to the little flaming that we see here.
    Regardless, The Standard (like Whale and Kiwi) have a long and proud tradition of making shit up to suit their own purpose. Bitching and moaning about Danyl having a dig at them just makes you sound like a [unpleasantry deleted].

    There is absolutely nothing to stop [Parata] from opening an electorate office in Mana, and gaining a presence there.

    She already has one, you douche.

    Mana Electorate Office
    Unit 5, 105 Mana Esplanade
    SH1, Porirua 5026
    Phone: (04) 233 0707
    Fax: (04) 233 0710

    Comment by Phil — October 28, 2010 @ 10:15 am

  19. I don’t think so. I get the impression he’s just got some kind of chip on his wee shoulders.

    Comment by Maximilian Pflaum — October 28, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  20. @ Phil:

    Then why the fuck is she running? Why doesnt National get some fresh talent to run, rather than somone who already has the trappings of elected office.

    Comment by millsy — October 28, 2010 @ 11:15 am

  21. Then why … is she running?

    Because she was the National candidate for Mana at the last election and is the National candidate (or will be) for Mana at the next election. At the general election, she probably will not have a serious chance of winning, but by running, and working hard for Mana, and being seen, and having an electorate office there, she, of all possible National candidates, has the best chance of ensuring as many party votes for National as possible. And this is exactly what they want from her to help them win the next election.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — October 28, 2010 @ 11:49 am

  22. “The howls of treason from The Standard are going to be amusing: they had a post on Mana a few days ago with interesting comments from someone calling themself ‘Swordfish’, who is obviously an organiser on Kris Faafoi’s campaign.”

    LHWLUCOOMN !!! (Laughing hysterically with liquid uncontrollably coming out of my nostrils).

    A few points of clarification, Danyl:

    (1) My comments had nothing whatsoever to do with Matt. They emphasised why Labour shouldn’t be complacent in Mana and were sent – as you can see in the link – at 5:58 pm 26 October. The first I knew that Matt was standing was when I read Green activist Thomas Forrow’s comment on the same thread/same night at 10:34 pm.

    (2) Not only am I not an organiser on Fa’afoi’s campaign, I’m not even a Labour Party activist or, indeed, a member !!! I’m simply – like many political blog readers – a Pol Sci graduate (with a particular interest in the geography of the vote and with Lefty tendencies).

    (3) Have a look at my comments on The Standard’s ‘Matt McCarten Standing in Mana’ (October 27) and you’ll see that I’m a former Alliance voter (not member, just voter) who (as a Mana resident) is currently more than a little ‘conflicted’ about whether to vote for Matt (who I greatly admire) or Fa’afoi (to keep Parata out). I’ve never said a bad word about Matt in my life, let alone howled treason.

    (4) Still, thanks for describing my comments as interesting :-)

    Comment by swordfish — October 30, 2010 @ 8:31 pm

  23. My comments had nothing whatsoever to do with Matt

    I wasn’t trying to say they did, but looking back at what I wrote I can see how you got that. My colon should’a been a full stop. Sorry.

    Not only am I not an organiser on Fa’afoi’s campaign . . .

    Well then you should be.

    more than a little ‘conflicted’ about whether to vote for Matt (who I greatly admire) or Fa’afoi (to keep Parata out).

    I’d sign Matt’s petition and vote for Kris.

    Comment by danylmc — October 31, 2010 @ 7:51 am

  24. McCarten on Q&A had a plan to instantly wipe out unemployment – the Government employs everyone. You get three choices – teacher aide, home help or hammer hand.

    Why did no-one think of this sooner.

    Comment by Pat — October 31, 2010 @ 10:31 am

  25. Thanks for your reply, Danyl.

    Re-reading my own comments (above), I detect a kind of slightly-outraged, nostril-flaring tone that I genuinely didn’t intend. Apologies if it came across like that.

    And, given that I’m just a naive amateur wannabe, I did take your “Fa’afoi organiser” speculation as a compliment.

    But, in terms of “The howls of treason from The Standard are going to be amusing”, I have to say that many there have expressed genuine sympathy for Matt’s candidacy.

    Comment by swordfish — November 15, 2010 @ 7:18 pm


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