The Dim-Post

October 29, 2010

Don’t you know who we are?

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 9:00 am

I find this idea that Key sold out the nation’s honor when he made a deal with Warners pretty risible: when you’re a very small, very remote country with a tanking economy you don’t get to tell a multi-national corporation with a half-billion dollars to invest in a ‘knowledge’ industry with tourism tie-ins that it’s beneath your dignity to negotiate with them. Sure, it’s bad that an outcome of the negotiation is that they’re introducing secret bills with no oversight in contempt of the democratic process – but that’s how this government passes most of its legislation.

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38 Comments »

  1. The herald! Wowee Zowee

    Comment by k.jones — October 29, 2010 @ 9:05 am

  2. Shocking editorial. But I guess the film is not being shot in Auckland so its of no benefit to NZ.

    Comment by David — October 29, 2010 @ 9:16 am

  3. Not only this Government even…

    Comment by TLS — October 29, 2010 @ 9:17 am

  4. Can Dim-Post staff reporters confirm, that the under-employed actor Robyn Malcolm, having tried a WINZ work experience programme in Industrial relations last week (and achieved a certificate of attendance), is now trying one as Editor of the Herald?

    Comment by GN — October 29, 2010 @ 9:49 am

  5. I think some sections of the media have decided that the Government needs an opposition. As the Labour party is missing in action, they are willing to step up and do it instead. Same thing happened under Muldoon.

    Comment by Vibenna — October 29, 2010 @ 9:50 am

  6. Danyl! I’m delighted that you’ve joined me in the sport of reading Herald editorials. Club numbers are expected to burgeon to as many as half a dozen of us by year’s end.

    They got themselves a bit editorially stuck on this issue when the same author (the poor style of the prose is quite distinctive) held forth at the start of the dispute. This follow-up is a remarkably lazy piece of work.

    Comment by Russell Brown — October 29, 2010 @ 9:51 am

  7. I agree it’s good for the government to negotiate with Warners. The tax break is a good idea. You can argue about the amount of the tax break, but it is clear and quite justified. Mucking about with our employment laws is a shitty idea.

    Even if Warners really, really wanted these employment law modifications, I doubt that Warners would have made it a condition that the bills be introduced in the way that they are. I’m sure that they would have deferred to the government as to the “best” way to make law. As you say, the “process” used is just the MO of the current government.

    Comment by Richard — October 29, 2010 @ 10:07 am

  8. Even if Warners really, really wanted these employment law modifications, I doubt that Warners would have made it a condition that the bills be introduced in the way that they are.

    Of course not. Warners would have been just as happy with a bill passing its first reading under urgency, sent off to a select committee for a month and passed under urgency before Christmas. They even probably have been just as happy with it being at a select committee until the New Year.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — October 29, 2010 @ 10:19 am

  9. I wonder what Brownlee & co would have done if Warner Bros had flown down a couple of days later, just in time for the recess? Recall Parliament?

    Comment by sammy — October 29, 2010 @ 10:27 am

  10. Of course not. Warners would have been just as happy with a bill passing its first reading under urgency, sent off to a select committee for a month and passed under urgency before Christmas. They even probably have been just as happy with it being at a select committee until the New Year.

    I think Key – and especially Brownlee – just think they’ve being businesslike and efficient by avoiding proper process.

    Comment by danylmc — October 29, 2010 @ 10:40 am

  11. I think they have simply accepted the gift handed to them by the unions.

    Comment by vibenna — October 29, 2010 @ 10:46 am

  12. I think Key – and especially Brownlee – just think they’ve being businesslike and efficient by avoiding proper process

    And that’s what stick in the craw the most about this whole sorry affair. I’ve got no problem at all with increasing the subsidy to nail the deal but ramming unessential employment law changes through parliament seemingly at the behest of Warner Bros smacks of arrogance while also making the government look like a bunch of easy beats. A needless and dangerous precedent has been set which is certainly not a good look internationally.

    Comment by The Fox — October 29, 2010 @ 11:06 am

  13. Finally our left wing Media at work,taken a while and its only left wing media because they are ‘UNIONISED’. NZ needs it own FOX news to make the media landscape more ‘fear and balanced’.

    Comment by andy (the other one) — October 29, 2010 @ 12:23 pm

  14. I think Key – and especially Brownlee – just think they’ve being businesslike and efficient by avoiding proper process.

    Nah… the point is any contracts WB signs up before the law is passed will not be subject to the new law. So WB cant sign up anyone and get the desired result without the law being passed. Nothing to do with being business like, its just if they followed normal process the whole objective of the law would be defeated.

    I’m still not clear what this law has to do with stopping industrial action though…

    Comment by Justin — October 29, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  15. “I find this idea that Key sold out the nation’s honor when he made a deal with Warners pretty risible’

    Yeah you are right to say we are probably not in a position to say no to their demands as such but C’mon! Does rationalism have to overpower everything?? even your own dignity?. If we did politics like this all the time then we might as well say F-U to principles. Having some decency is a good thing for goodness sake.

    Comment by K2 — October 29, 2010 @ 1:54 pm

  16. “NZ needs it own FOX news to make the media landscape more ‘fear and balanced’.”

    Was that intentional?

    Comment by Helenalex — October 29, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

  17. Was that intentional?

    Yes.

    Comment by andy (the other one) — October 29, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

  18. MY dignity was offended far more by moron Malcom and clueless Kelly pulling this shit and making NZ,and the rest of its people a laughing stock by association.The cringe making thought of the rest of the world thinking of silly little NZ pointing a gun at its own feet is what defines undignified.

    Comment by James — October 29, 2010 @ 2:52 pm

  19. And yes….a counter media service to the left wing drivel fest of TVNZ and the Herald etc ASAP!

    Comment by James — October 29, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

  20. It’s Friday afternoon, sun’s shining, nobody’s looking, must be time for a spot of retrospective law-changing:

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1010/S00519/mps-pass-law-in-under-an-hour-to-fix-mistake.htm

    Comment by sammy — October 29, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

  21. James wrote: “And yes….a counter media service to the left wing drivel fest of TVNZ and the Herald etc ASAP!”

    I find it amazing that you consider TVNZ or the Herald to be Left Wing (but then, I suppose you probably consider everything to be left wing)

    Comment by kahikatea — October 29, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

  22. sun’s shining

    Not in Wellington it ain’t!

    Comment by Phil — October 29, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

  23. It’s hard to take this all very seriously when you consider teh left’s record on workers’ rights over the last decade (give or take) they had TEN FUCKING YEARS hand in glove to deal to this sort of thing ask any ‘seasonal’ meat worker what I mean. They were as useful as a ashtray on a motorbike – yet now – suddenly it’s all whippets and pickets, because they failed in their self-procalimed campaign of disruption once again to ‘bring down’ some ‘rich prick’ or ‘spoiled brat’ (choose your insult of the moment) or other?

    Like teh man said – the sun is shining – cocktails anyone?

    Comment by Monkey Boy — October 29, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

  24. Obviously everyone calling out for more right-wing media have missed the Dominion Post over the past two days.

    The template for writing goes something like this: [enter most recent issue about ailing economy] is being worked on by the Key government and this is a result of the previous Labour government failing to [insert something about being too occupied with making sure everyone is better off instead of just looking after the rich]. This is also been caused by [insert name of union] who continue to get in the way of economic progress. Key has assured everyone that ‘[insert quote about 'step-change' or 'brighter future].’ Good on National for standing up for what is right in this country and getting rid of this [enter either: PC rubbish, red-tape, suffocating unionism, or socialism]. End article.

    Really great, balanced journalism going on there.

    Comment by Tim — October 29, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

  25. they had TEN NINE FUCKING YEARS hand in glove to deal to this sort of thing….

    FIFY, three times three year terms does not equal TEN FUCKING YEARS. Facts are important too.

    Comment by andy (the other one) — October 29, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

  26. Oops HTML FAIL..

    they had TEN NINE FUCKING YEARS hand in glove to deal to this sort of thing…

    FIFY, three times three year terms does not equal TEN FUCKING YEARS. Facts are important too (and have a well known liberal bias)..

    Comment by andy (the other one) — October 29, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

  27. It’s starting to read like the substandard here what with all the kneejerk klasswarfare Key eats babies comments Danyl.

    Comment by leon — October 29, 2010 @ 6:21 pm

  28. Well, nobody could ever accuse you of working overtime to raise the tone, Leon.

    Comment by sammy — October 29, 2010 @ 6:31 pm

  29. we’ll let you know we its time for you to go leon

    Comment by k.jones — October 29, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

  30. piss. should be a “when” in there too somewhere leon

    Comment by k.jones — October 29, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

  31. It’s starting to read like the substandard here what with all the kneejerk klasswarfare Key eats babies comments Danyl.

    Yeah, Danyl….We want more right wing douche baggery. Bring back Berend, Bring back Berend, Bring back Berend!!!]

    This is bad for Phil Goff.

    Comment by andy (the other one) — October 29, 2010 @ 6:35 pm

  32. I have a brilliant (if I do say so myself) idea to increase overseas spending in this country. Lets remove the anti-nuclear legislation. Then the US government will agree to resume sending warships here, and we will make lots of money and jobs from the spending they bring in. Think of the economic benefit that this will bring!

    Comment by DT — October 29, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

  33. What is wrong with Afghanistan accepting money from Iran?
    What is wrong about WBL accepting money from the National Government of New Zealand?

    Comment by peterlepaysan — October 29, 2010 @ 8:30 pm

  34. “James wrote: “And yes….a counter media service to the left wing drivel fest of TVNZ and the Herald etc ASAP!”

    I find it amazing that you consider TVNZ or the Herald to be Left Wing (but then, I suppose you probably consider everything to be left wing)”

    Why does everyone on the left think the media is right-leaning, and vice-versa for everyone on the right?

    Comment by nic — October 29, 2010 @ 8:34 pm

  35. Is it possible that The Herald was trying to be ironic, or sarcastic?

    Comment by peterlepaysan — October 29, 2010 @ 9:12 pm

  36. Why does everyone on the left think the media is right-leaning, and vice-versa for everyone on the right?

    Maybe people on the left just read the advertisements?

    Comment by ZenTiger — October 29, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

  37. What an opening line: At some point during the negotiations over The Hobbit, someone should have stepped back and asked how much it was actually worth to this country to keep the filming here.

    A fair few people did step back and answer that question. Some are celebrating the answer still today.

    The Hobbit: A win for the little people?

    Comment by ZenTiger — October 29, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

  38. “The cringe making thought of the rest of the world thinking of silly little NZ pointing a gun at its own feet”

    I’m reminded of that scene in Blazing Saddles when the sheriff takes himself hostage. “Any movie-makers make a move and the workers geddit.”

    Comment by Bea — October 29, 2010 @ 11:47 pm


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