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December 12, 2010

Another break, New Zealand Wikileaks edition

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 7:55 am

Nicky Hager has (inevitably) gotten hold of the New Zealand Wikileaks cables. You can download them as one long pdf here. There are 8 cables released so far. I guess the SST means to have their fun over the next few months.

Anyway, I’ve parsed them out and uploaded them to google docs as separate text files, hashing them for the names of individual politicians (the last two are the most readable):

10WELLINGTON3
SCENESETTER FOR SECRETARY CLINTON’S NEW ZEALAND VISIT
Date: 1/06/2010
John Key
Phil Goff

07WELLINGTON194
PM CLARK GOES TO WASHINGTON
Date: 3/02/2007
Helen Clark
John Key
Phil Goff

08WELLINGTON356
A/S FORT’S OCTOBER 9-10 VISIT TO NEW ZEALAND
Date: 10/24/2008
Helen Clark
John Key

08WELLINGTON66
NEW ZEALAND ACCEPTS U.S. PROPOSAL ON DEFENSE ENGAGEMENT
Date: 2/25/2008
Helen Clark

06WELLINGTON128
NATIONAL CONTEMPLATES CHANGE ON NUCLEAR BAN STANCE
Date: 2/17/2006
Helen Clark
Don Brash
Phil Goff

06WELLINGTON341
NEW ZEALAND IVs EMERGE AS MEDIA LEADERS
Date: 5/03/2006
Helen Clark

05WELLINGTON696
NZ’S “”PRESIDENTIAL RACE:”” FOCUS ON PM CLARK AND DON BRASH
Date: 9/11/2005
Helen Clark
Don Brash

06WELLINGTON928
OPPOSITION LEADER BRASH RESIGNS; KEY TIPPED TO TAKE CHARGE
Date: 11/24/2006
Helen Clark
Don Brash
John Key

One thing to bear in mind, illustrated by this comment in the Brash-Key coup document:

English is not believed to be interested in serving as Key’s deputy

These things aren’t gospel.

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15 Comments »

  1. Thanks Danyl.

    Comment by Paul Williams — December 12, 2010 @ 10:29 am

  2. This is bad for someone – prob. Phil Goff.

    Comment by millsy — December 12, 2010 @ 11:17 am

  3. Nah, this is bad for nobody millsy. People aren’t seriously going to be outraged by anything from Wikileaks. We all kind of expect that weird stuff happens behind closed doors, and none of this stuff is weird enough for people to be bothered caring about (as an aside, some of the Wikileaks US military footage of questionably identifying insurgents and wantonly blowing them apart doesn’t even rate a mention in the US media – just how evil Assange is. People almost expect state sponsored murder).

    Thanks for putting this up Danyl.

    Comment by DT — December 12, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

  4. (the last two are the most readable):

    Thanks. Just read the Clark/Brash one. Nothing strikingly new but of course always interesting to see what outsiders think of prominent NZ political figures.

    Didn’t quite get this:

    He is somewhat of a paradox. Although a classical liberal, free marketer and economic rationalist, he voted for the bill that decriminalized prostitution.

    Is this in any way paradoxical? Is it just taken for granted that classical liberals in the US would be opposed to prostitution legalisation?

    Comment by Stephen — December 12, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

  5. “Is it just taken for granted that classical liberals in the US would be opposed to prostitution legalisation?”
    Given that the American understandings of “liberal” and “conservative” are rudimentary at best, and that the cable was destined for a Bush-administration official, it’d seem so.

    Comment by marsoe — December 12, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

  6. The fact they knew one could put ‘classical’ in front of ‘liberal’ would seem to indicate a bit of savvy…ah well.

    Comment by StephenR — December 13, 2010 @ 8:07 am

  7. Hmmm… the one long pdf link seems to be broken :(

    Comment by Justin — December 13, 2010 @ 10:06 am

  8. Eeek…how pro-US is National! I thought this was all just lefty hoopla…seems not.

    Comment by Tim — December 14, 2010 @ 10:30 am

  9. In closing, Downer remarked, “”let the whole place go to s–t, that’s the best thing that could happen.”” Speaking off the top of his head, he added that aid should not be given that would prop up the infrastructure. If U.S. officials wanted to hear the “”bleeding hearts”” view of “”peace and love”” with respect to North Korea, Downer joked, they only had to visit his colleagues in New Zealand.

    Comment by gazzaj — December 14, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  10. Very Danyl. Looking forward to reading it.

    Comment by K2 — December 14, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

  11. Sorry I meant very interesting Danyl. Looking forward to reading it.

    Comment by K2 — December 14, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

  12. I’ve heard a story that US nuclear subs haunt our deep southern fiord waters since we went nuclear free, and our sailors throw grenades overboard to disturb them. Now, if you can find that story somewhere in wikileaks that would be a great coup, wouldn’t it?

    Comment by Spitfire — December 16, 2010 @ 6:02 am

  13. I lost count of the different ways that’s unadulterated bullshit before I got to the full-stop, Spitfire.

    Comment by Phil — December 16, 2010 @ 10:40 am

  14. Indeed it would, Spitfire, but you’d have more chance of finding it in an Ian Wishart story.

    Comment by kahikatea — December 16, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

  15. Clark: “a micromanager”, favouring US cooperation and actively castigating MPs who criticise the US (cf. Anderton); Key “openly excited” about invitation to Washington; “intelligence relationship was fully restored in August 29, 2009″, but this is a “‘no comment’ issue when the media inevitably raise it” and “should not be mentioned in public”; in 2006, Post “continue to believe a National Government would be better able to rebuild much of the trust that has eroded US-NZ relations over the past years. For our part, Post will continue to tell National and others that we welcome the chance to build stronger bilateral relations, even if the extent of the improvement will remain constrained by the significant “”unfinished business”” that still remains between us.”

    They luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurve John Key. <3

    Good a reason as any to vote Green.

    Comment by Dizzy — December 18, 2010 @ 2:38 pm


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