The Dim-Post

February 27, 2011

Collins gets medieval

Filed under: psuedopolitics — danylmc @ 11:14 am

Judith Collins speaks on the looters in Christchurch, in which she rather heavily implies she wants to see them raped in prison:

Police Minister Judith Collins said the actions of looters was akin to “people who rob the dead”.

She expected to see the judiciary throw the book at looters.

“I hope they go to jail for a long time – with a cellmate.”

It’s natural for private citizens to feel this way and this is the kind of grim humour you’d expect to hear from, say, a talkback radio-host. But Collins is the Minister of Police and Corrections and – in theory – she represents the state’s monopoly on punishment and violence. She really shouldn’t encourage individual citizens to rape each other.

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  1. While I agree with you re: tone, as a Christchurch resident I’m more than happy with the sentiment.

    Besides, could one expect anything else from a woman with the nickname “Crusher”?

    Comment by XChequer — February 27, 2011 @ 11:26 am

  2. So we have a Minister of Corrections from the National Party who thinks prisoners under her responsibility being raped is just a handy additional punishment for them? No surprises there, then.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — February 27, 2011 @ 11:55 am

  3. Coming from the Minister of Police that remark is totally unacceptable in any circumstance.

    Comment by chchguy — February 27, 2011 @ 12:04 pm

  4. It is election year!And the unthinking fools of the Nonsensical sentencing crowd love this stuff, and someone had to fill the void left by Garrett.

    Oh and Judith you have guaranteed a cell mate for those looting idiots via your double bunking policy. Shows how on top of her portfolio she is, what is the car crush count up to?

    Going to food banks = bad choices
    Going to prison = gettin raped

    Stay classy National.

    Comment by andy (the other one) — February 27, 2011 @ 12:08 pm

  5. We do despise those who steal for gain and the law should take care of that. But the added venom from that spiteful woman sucks too.
    Years ago a freight truck loaded with Watties canned food overturned into a farmers paddock. The farmers wives rushed out and loaded their cars with as much as they could from the unguarded load. I regarded that then and now, as plain wrong. They could see no harm in what they did.

    Comment by ianmac — February 27, 2011 @ 12:32 pm

  6. Ok, so she’s a douche, that’s understandable. What I don’t understand is why everyone else is coming down so hard on the looters. As far as opportunistic crimes go, it has to be one of the most harmless, and least damaging…

    Comment by Jesse — February 27, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

  7. Ok normally I would be one of the first to hop on a “hate on JC” wagon, but the line about the cellmate kinda depends on interpretation – when I read it I took it to mean that she hoped the looter would be *beaten up* by their cellmate (still not great for her, as an official, to encourage, but quite different from rape).

    Comment by Zo — February 27, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

  8. That’s a charitable reading Zo.

    I agree that there is some ambiguity about what she was meaning, but she was unlikely to come right out and say it. When people say that sex offenders should be put in general population, for example, I usually read that as meaning they deserve to be beaten up, and I think Collin’s ‘cellmate’ language is telling.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — February 27, 2011 @ 12:48 pm

  9. Does Collin’s comment @ KB?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/02/a_quick_photoshop.html#comments

    Or does she just know her base?

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — February 27, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

  10. As she has been in Chch and seen the ruins I think a bit more leeway than usual is appropriate.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — February 27, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

  11. I presumed she was being mindful of the loneliness that these unfortunates would have to endure as a result of the inevitable long sentence and showing compassion.

    Comment by gravedodger — February 27, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  12. BB, she’s also the Minister of Corrections, and Police so, nah.

    I’m happy to let all sorts of things slide for people under emotional stress, but this is nasty shit from a Minister giving rhetorical license to jailhouse thugs.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — February 27, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  13. Come on now dont be so disingenuous. Everybody knows the old cliche of ‘I hope (insert white male here) gets to share a cell with (Insert giant black man nickname here eg Bubba)’

    Everybody knows that this cliche advocates black male on white male rape – and that it is used exclusively against (western) white males.

    And the female version, ‘i hope (insert white female conservative here) gets gang raped by big black brothers’ – made famous by pinko commie twinkle toe Jew Sandra Bernhard wishing it upon Sarah Palin.

    For some reason it always comes from the ‘anti racist’ ‘anti sexist’ neo-commie peanut gallery of utter hypocrisy which has become so mainstream.

    If Paul Henry can get the sack, then Harawira (white mofos) and Collins should get the sack 1000 times over.

    Comment by Alfred Rosenberg — February 27, 2011 @ 1:21 pm

  14. In terms of leeway, I think that by letting go “Crusher’s” ignoring of the constitutional convention whereby politicians don’t exert pressure on the judiciary wrt sentencing probably uses it all up.

    Comment by DT — February 27, 2011 @ 1:37 pm

  15. When the “charitable reading” of your comments as Minister of Corrections is that you want prisoners under your care to be assaulted by a cellmate then you’re not exactly the classiest game in town huh.
    I suspect this is why the reports of inmate deaths at private prisons run by her preferred contractors don’t phase her…

    Comment by garethw — February 27, 2011 @ 1:44 pm

  16. Alfred: luckily, we still have principled defenders of conservatism and traditional values like Danyl to call out pinkos like Collins.

    Comment by derp de derp — February 27, 2011 @ 4:58 pm

  17. She should have been honest and said; “they can go to jail and get fucked”.

    Comment by GN — February 27, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

  18. “She should have been honest and said; “they can go to jail and get fucked”.

    Second the motion.

    JC

    Comment by JC — February 27, 2011 @ 7:55 pm

  19. I’m trying very hard to give Judith Collins the benefit of the doubt here. The best I can come up with is that she just thought that when choosing the prisoners who were going to be double-bunked and have less space to themselves (because it has to be someone under this government), she’d rather it were looters than anyone else.

    Whatever the subtext, it’s extremely poor conduct on her part. I hope someone in the house loudly asks her precisely what she meant, but I don’t think that will happen because enough people out there will probably sympathise with her that it’d endanger political opponents.

    Comment by izogi — February 27, 2011 @ 8:27 pm

  20. So, if George Baker had *only* raped Liam Ashley in the van, that would have been OK?

    Or maybe just a light thumping?

    Seems like there’s an invisible Collins Line, where prisoners are suddenly transformed from ‘scum who had it coming’ to ‘victims who needed protection’. If anyone knows where that line is drawn, perhaps they could point it out to us.

    Comment by sammy — February 27, 2011 @ 8:33 pm

  21. She COULD have said looters should be shot on sight, but no, while that is a preferred option, politicians should not be seen to support such violence should they. Mores the pity.

    Comment by Ray — February 27, 2011 @ 8:52 pm

  22. Agreed, it was out of line for Collins, whom I normally respect in her role as Police Minister. Key should reprimand her (but he probably won’t).

    Comment by Adze — February 27, 2011 @ 9:03 pm

  23. I think it was Kayne West who pointed out that ‘black people loot, white people forage for survival.’

    Comment by danylmc — February 27, 2011 @ 9:29 pm

  24. If looters should be shot on sight, there’d be a lot of dead museum curators.

    Comment by sammy — February 27, 2011 @ 9:56 pm

  25. Pretty hard to eat a TV though.

    Comment by Adze — February 27, 2011 @ 10:04 pm

  26. I was pointing out to someone the other day that if people were running around shooting looters on sight, I’d be terrified to put a foot outside my door for all sorts of reasons. Despicable as it is what a few people are doing, there are many reasons why people are pushed through a court system to be sentenced in full context rather than being thrown in front of vigilante justice.

    Comment by MikeM — February 27, 2011 @ 11:15 pm

  27. It’s natural for private citizens to feel this way and this is the kind of grim humour you’d expect to hear from, say, a talkback radio-host.

    Fail whale, Danyl.Rape jokes – and the idea that there are people who deserve to be raped – are never acceptable from anyone. It’s damn sad to live in a world where that still needs to be said.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 5:46 am

  28. Rape jokes – and the idea that there are people who deserve to be raped – are never acceptable from anyone. It’s damn sad to live in a world where that still needs to be said.

    Roughly 90% of humour amongst straight men revolves around the subject of gay prison rape. If you take that away from us you destroy our entire culture.

    Comment by danylmc — February 28, 2011 @ 6:26 am

  29. The gays do want to destroy our whole culture, I’ve read it on conservative blogs. If we let the sodomites shame us out of hilarious gags about male rape, it’s certain that marriage and the family will be next down the toilet.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — February 28, 2011 @ 6:44 am

  30. *blink* I’m obviously hanging with the wrong straight men, and thank all the Gods you don’t believe in for that. I rather doubt prison porn accurately represents what a long prison term for mass murder would be like.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 6:50 am

  31. i don’t know what disturbs me the most, the original dog whistle or the subsequent yapping. AFAIAA ‘sharing a cell’ is code for getting a slapping rather than a thinly veiled wish for arse rape to be dished out as punishment. A psychologist would read more into this thread.

    Comment by leon — February 28, 2011 @ 7:26 am

  32. Given Collins’ long record of knuckle-dragging atavism, I think we could be forgiven for putting the least charitable construction on her latest fit of ministerial machismo.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 7:33 am

  33. “AFAIAA ‘sharing a cell’ is code for getting a slapping…”

    Is there some website I can visit to get the right code? Or is it more a case of a Dan Brown type caper … to decipher the code, you need to be Tom Hanks.

    Are you Tom Hanks, leon?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 28, 2011 @ 7:33 am

  34. ‘sharing a cell’ is code for getting a slapping rather than a thinly veiled wish for arse rape to be dished out as punishment. A psychologist would read more into this thread.

    Yup. Plumbing the creepier reaches of middle-class received wisdom there Danyl.

    Comment by Joe Wylie — February 28, 2011 @ 7:36 am

  35. @andy, yes apparently the ‘dimpost’ has managed to decypher the riddle and it is actually all about arse rape.

    Comment by leon — February 28, 2011 @ 7:52 am

  36. @Joe Wylie: Um, so Collins was either making a crack about prison rape or prison “justice”. When it comes to ministerial douche-osity, that’s a distinction without a difference. YMMV, of course.

    Hell, why doesn’t Collins just cut the shit and tell us when the gallows is being set up in Cathedral Square and how we log on to the live feed of the hangings?

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 7:56 am

  37. ‘sharing a cell’ is code for getting a slapping rather than a thinly veiled wish for arse rape to be dished out as punishment.

    (a) Even if correct the principle is the same, the Police Minister should not encourage people to assault each other either, and (b) slappings happen in the yard.

    Comment by danylmc — February 28, 2011 @ 7:58 am

  38. No, let’s ask: who reanimated Alfred Rosenberg? Will we see comedy comments from Julius Streicher next?

    Comment by Stephen — February 28, 2011 @ 8:00 am

  39. Of course, what Collins could have said was something like this:

    “Looting is a contemptible crime, especially when we’ve all seen the best of people in the face of the Christchurch tragedy. It’s a loathesome violation of people who’ve already suffered enough.

    “As Police Minister, I assure you all that these people will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

    It wasn’t that hard for senior Police on the ground; their Minister could have avoided posturing, and shown a little more leadership.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 8:04 am

  40. Joe Wylie: Um, so Collins was either making a crack about prison rape or prison “justice”.

    I really couldn’t give a shit about the workings of Collins’ tiny mind. Or about your status as the go-to guy on such things.
    I just dropped in to check if Danyl was back on form.

    Comment by Joe Wylie — February 28, 2011 @ 8:07 am

  41. “@andy, yes apparently the ‘dimpost’ has managed to decypher the riddle and it is actually all about arse rape.”

    That’s because Danyl is Tom Hanks. I mean, I’ve never seen them in the same room at the same time. Has anyone else? Bears thinking about …

    And, seeing as we’re starting to amateur analyse each other’s fixations, just who was it first mentioned “arses”?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 28, 2011 @ 8:24 am

  42. I just dropped in to check if Danyl was back on form.

    Well, that’s nice, next time could you do it without being a drive-by dick?

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 8:35 am

  43. Well, that’s nice, next time could you do it without being a drive-by dick?

    You’ll live, Craig :)
    As Lilith so succinctly observed over at Public Address, here in Christchurch political talk is currently a bit like white noise.
    The occasional laugh certainly wouldn’t go amiss, but.

    Comment by Joe Wylie — February 28, 2011 @ 8:48 am

  44. Sammy wrote: “If looters should be shot on sight, there’d be a lot of dead museum curators.”

    that’s dealt with by the curse of the pharoahs. and it works, too – four men were involved in the raiding of Tutankhamun’s tomb in 1924, and 86 years later, every one of them is dead.

    Comment by kahitakea — February 28, 2011 @ 8:51 am

  45. What Collins meant was: “I hate the idea of people looting. The prison system as envisaged by government is based on extra-judicial punishment because activist judges let people off with a slap on the wrist. One of the inhumane and vindictive measures we are introducing is doubling up in cells. Hopefully one of the low life scum we put away for ever will hurt or even kill one of the looters. Thus justice will be done”
    It’s a dogwhistle response.

    Comment by Another Kiwi — February 28, 2011 @ 9:10 am

  46. @andy, when you liken Danyl to Tom Hanks I just *know* you mean Forest Gump, you bitch. Danyl I hope you’re not going to stand for Andys’ disrepecting. Shanks in the shower block, fight fight.

    Comment by leon — February 28, 2011 @ 9:21 am

  47. @Joe: Oh, I have a sense of humour about all sorts of things – not all of them in the best of taste, granted. I don’t have much of a sense of humour about rape (in prison or anywhere else) because I was sexually assaulted and told nobody for over twenty years.

    You see, one reason about now writing shit like “It’s natural for private citizens to feel this way” is because you never know who listening, and I really don’t need to hear “some people deserve it” fron anyone. Not from a Minister of the Crown. Not from a talkback host. And certainly not from a blogger who’s smart and decent enough to know a LOT better, and intelligent enough to write with more care and sensitivity.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — February 28, 2011 @ 9:36 am

  48. i’d suggest that if you’d like the Minister to clarify her comments, you draft an email and send via this address

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 28, 2011 @ 9:38 am

  49. i’d suggest that if you’d like the Minister to clarify her comments, you draft an email and send via this address

    Fa. Her press sec Stephan would see me coming a million miles away.

    Comment by danylmc — February 28, 2011 @ 9:43 am

  50. I’ve spoken to a few guys who’ve been in prison, and the amount of man-to-man sex is near zero from all I’ve heard. Certainly no “Oz” style gang-rapes with guards looking the other way.

    Comment by Michael Stevens — February 28, 2011 @ 10:11 am

  51. “andy, when you liken Danyl to Tom Hanks I just *know* you mean Forest Gump, you bitch.”

    I was thinking more along the lines of “Cast Away”, four years into his isolation. We are his Wilson.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 28, 2011 @ 10:57 am

  52. “I’ve spoken to a few guys who’ve been in prison, and the amount of man-to-man sex is near zero from all I’ve heard.”

    Yet another failure of liberal sentencing policies. Where’s David Garrett when you need him? oh, yeah … that.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 28, 2011 @ 10:59 am

  53. “Certainly no “Oz” style gang-rapes with guards looking the other way.”

    I’d believe this. From what I can tell, the main stereotype comes from various prison systems in the USA, not that I spend a lot of time researching these things. I think what still concerns me is whether there’s a Minister of Corrections who’s open to instituting it, or at the very least letting things get loose enough to let guards “look the other way” without serious consequences.

    Comment by MikeM — February 28, 2011 @ 11:15 am

  54. I’ve spoken to a few guys who’ve been in prison, and the amount of man-to-man sex is near zero from all I’ve heard.

    Although in women’s prisons they still need to constantly drench the inmates with firehoses to calm their sadistic, animal urges, right? Right?

    Comment by danylmc — February 28, 2011 @ 11:27 am

  55. @Joe: Oh, I have a sense of humour about all sorts of things – not all of them in the best of taste, granted. I don’t have much of a sense of humour about rape (in prison or anywhere else) because I was sexually assaulted and told nobody for over twenty years.

    So you’ve mentioned elsewhere. I remember these things, and I think I might have some appreciation of how Danyl’s post made you feel.
    Not my original comment though. I wasn’t making light of rape in any form, just expressing my distaste for the assumed worldly wisdom that these things presumably happen, but largely to the great unwashed. Unfortunately even worse things happen in prison, people are occasionally killed (our current unstated practice of incarcerating certain of the mentally ill as criminals doesn’t help). Collins’ statement could, according to my variable mileage, just as easily have meant that.

    As for laughs, Danyl’s been one of the finest satirists in the local blogosphere. I live in hope.

    Comment by Joe Wylie — February 28, 2011 @ 11:56 am

  56. Rape happens in NZ prisons, but yeah, most of the causual jokes about prison rape seem to come via US television.

    Funnily enough, that first press conference Collins had going down to Christchurch she sounded – weirdly nice. Probably partly being shaken and saying ‘um’ a lot. Seems it hasn’t taken.

    Coming from somebody who has an actual policy of increased double-bunking, I’ve got to agree – not acceptable.

    Comment by lyndon — February 28, 2011 @ 12:20 pm

  57. “Rape happens in NZ prisons”

    i follow a guy on twitter who was making inquiries about recourse for some family friends. seems their boy (18?) had been remanded somewhere pretty heavy like Mt Eden, for something pretty light like petty theft. he was put in with a ‘career criminal’ who repeatedly raped him over a series of weeks.

    boy commits suicide, other bloke has no charges.

    Collins, this what you’re thinking of?

    makes a reasonable man pretty fucking angry really.

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 28, 2011 @ 1:24 pm

  58. I think our corrections system should be a lot different. Unlike Judith Collins, I do not think there should be cellmates. Everyone should have their own cell with toilet and shower.

    To be fair, so that the really bad repeat offenders do not live in relative luxury, and to offset some of the cost of all these renovations, we should introduce the death penalty for someone who has committed a serious criminal offence three times without remorse (their conviction has to be beyond a doubt instead of beyond reasonable doubt so that innocent people do not receive the death penalty).

    Comment by Betty — February 28, 2011 @ 1:40 pm

  59. Betty,

    To be fair, you have no idea how the criminal trial system works.
    (1) I rather suspect your suggestion would immediately result in a lot of “remorseful” offenders;
    (2) The existing standard of proof for criminal trials is “beyond reasonable doubt” … which Arthur Allan Thomas was convicted under. And Peter Ellis.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 28, 2011 @ 2:17 pm

  60. @danyl, is your minds eye seeing gushing, freezing cold water coursing over wet cotton shirts in slow motion by any chance? Maybe thats just me.

    Comment by leon — February 28, 2011 @ 2:19 pm

  61. Chilling story Che, did this happen recently?
    It’s nastily reminiscent of highly credible stories I’ve heard from the 70s and earlier in Australia.

    A kid caught picking wild marijuana in the Hunter Valley in the late 60s was put in a cell with a muderer doing a life sentence, because the screws didn’t like the cut of his jib. The details of his death due to attempted sex are too ghastly to repeat. The former inmate who told me the story wouldn’t have had the imagination or motive to make something like that up.

    Cooma jail in NSW had its own institutionalised rape culture. To be sent to Cooma was a form of punishment meted out within the prison system, nothing to do with the courts. Maybe it’s still the case, as the ghastly old pile was reopened about ten years ago.

    Whatever Collins meant, it’s seriously creepy of her or anyone to invoke institutionalised abuse as if it’s in any way tolerable.

    Comment by Joe Wylie — February 28, 2011 @ 2:21 pm

  62. @joe, no more than 6 months ago.

    definitely there in the tweet record.

    the guy tweeting isn’t a wowser or fluffy. and was so carefully worded to make it ring very true.

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 28, 2011 @ 2:27 pm

  63. Actually thinking about it, is it not a reference to her double bunking policy? Not code for violence or rape at all?

    Comment by GN — February 28, 2011 @ 2:29 pm

  64. you’ll need a barn to store a bow that long GN

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 28, 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  65. I would not give Collins the benefit of the doubt. The woman is an attention seeking megalomaniac. She used to live up the road from me…and erected a huge sign outside her house saying “Collin’s Country”.

    That is the least of her sins, however. She is getting more and more extreme.

    Comment by Ruth — February 28, 2011 @ 2:43 pm

  66. It is creepy. One way or another it’s inviting and supporting corruption in the system.

    I’m disgusted by the idea, but if prison rape or any kind of assault in prisons is ever to be acceptable, it should be legislated and courts should hand down the sentence, and those executing the sentence should be paid for their servuces, and the NZ government and (more importantly) New Zealanders should damn well have to justify it to the international community. Just to keep it above board, where everyone can see it.

    Comment by MikeM — February 28, 2011 @ 4:31 pm

  67. I emailed Collins, and just received this response:

    Dear Mr Judd

    I have never made any such suggestion around sexual abuse and I am frankly appalled that anyone would seek to accuse me of it.

    Yours faithfully
    Judith Collins

    Comment by Stephen Judd — February 28, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

  68. Stephen Judd – did she offer an explanation of what she did say?

    Comment by Adze — February 28, 2011 @ 7:01 pm

  69. @Stephen Judd # 67:

    Having drafted hundreds of such responses for Ministers, I think that you should know that they are not *always* 100% true. Sad, I know. Maybe if you specifically refer to the passage (ie quote it) and ask what was really meant, the answer will at least be interesting (inventive justification necessary).

    Comment by DT — February 28, 2011 @ 7:10 pm

  70. That’s verbatim her whole reply.

    My message was:

    Dear Minister

    I write to express my concern over your recently reported statement on
    the subject of looters in Christchurch: “I hope they go to jail for a
    long time – with a cellmate.”

    It is hard to see this as anything other than condoning rape in prison.

    Is it now your policy that ad hoc sexual violence be part of our
    corrections regime? If so, may I remind you of the murder of Liam Ashley
    and suggest that apart from the gross violation of human rights this
    would represent, such a policy would have heinous unintended
    consequences.

    I am dismayed and repelled to hear this kind of thing from a Minister.

    Yours sincerely

    Comment by Stephen Judd — February 28, 2011 @ 7:26 pm

  71. @Stephen Judd:

    Given that you specifically referred to the passage, and no explanation was given, I think that the response can be translated as “Fuck off”. Not very impressive.

    What is impressive is the speed at which she responded. Good chance that her office (or even she herself) drafted it, instead of farming it out to corrections.

    Comment by DT — February 28, 2011 @ 7:30 pm

  72. still waiting for my reply.

    sent it via the parliament webserver, so might get a different drafter.

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 28, 2011 @ 7:47 pm

  73. @stephen, i’d suggest you write to the minister and ask for a specified explanation of what those words meant.

    might also write to the journalist too and ask the source.

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 28, 2011 @ 7:57 pm

  74. I don’t suppose she was ever going to come out and say “yes that’s exactly what I meant”, especially on the record, but if the media (or opposition MPs) ever decided to pick up on it, I suppose people would start drawing their own conclusions.

    I think any office would respond to an accusation like that as quickly as possible, to try and kill any rumours before they got out of hand. If she’d left it a day, there’s another 24 hours for it to spread without a response.

    Has this quote been broadcast? (Not being in NZ I can’t tell.) It may be worth asking the Herald if they can confirm and stand by the quote, or somebody might go back to check their notes and discover they were mistaken.

    Comment by MikeM — February 28, 2011 @ 8:00 pm

  75. @Che #73:

    might also write to the journalist too and ask the source.

    Well, especially since Collins’ reply to Stephen could be construed as an allegation that James Ihaka and David Fisher fabricated the direct quote in the story Danyl quoted — which is the kind of ethical fail that gets journalists fired.

    Should be a piece of piss for both of them to produce their notes, and ask Collins to explain exactly what she meant.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — March 1, 2011 @ 7:51 am

  76. Thinking about it, she could be expressing the hope the cellmate will have the same civic-minded approach as the people she normally tries to appeal to, and will merely beat the looter witihin an inch of his life.

    Which would, of course, still be advocating a crime.

    Comment by lyndon — March 1, 2011 @ 9:20 am

  77. People here are saying that our current muster of incarcerated crims are not up to the tasks desired of them by the minister. Nothing for it but to jail the KB community, who like to talk it up. I’m pretty sure Jerry can do this under CERRA.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — March 1, 2011 @ 10:02 am

  78. I think what she was really advocating was for the looters to be put together with those reformed Christian prisoner types you see on American TV shows. Or maybe a ‘Red’ character like in Shawshank Redemption. Ya know, so that they gain some compassion.

    ’cause I’ve seen nothing before that would convince me that Collins is in fact a horrendous human being.

    Having also been responsible for Minister’s replies to correspondence I’d suggest that the reply to Stephen’s email was either made by Collins herself or by a senior Private Secretary (or similar) – presumably with the thought that ‘that’ll shut ‘em up’ – seems like *someone* needs to dig deeper.

    Appalling behaviour, and completely unacceptable from a Minister.

    Comment by Pete — March 1, 2011 @ 10:30 am

  79. Dear Minister

    Thank you for your rapid and straightforward reply:

    “I have never made any such suggestion around sexual abuse and I am frankly appalled that anyone would seek to accuse me of it.”

    I am still personally unclear about what you meant. I have been unable to find anyone who did not immediately infer support for prison rape from your statement as reported. Therefore, I strongly suggest a prompt public clarification of your intended meaning.

    Yours etc

    Comment by Stephen Judd — March 1, 2011 @ 11:22 am

  80. I would never have suspected any politician, especially that nice Judith Collins,
    of being ambiguous. Tut, tut, you naughty blogsters.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — March 1, 2011 @ 9:13 pm


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