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April 20, 2011

Compare and contrast

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 5:43 pm

Here’s how Metiria Turei critiqued Key’s helicopter jaunt; juxtapose with Cunliffe below:

Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei was outraged that the air force “ferried” Mr Key to what she called exclusive events.

Mr Key used the Iroquois on Saturday to attend the Hamilton V8s then a black tie dinner at the Royal Auckland Golf Club in Otahuhu, Auckland.

“The Green Party has no problem with the Prime Minister using the air force in order to help out in emergencies or for important government business,” Mrs Turei said.

“We do have a problem with the Prime Minister commandeering the New Zealand Air Force so that he can get snapped at the V8s before heading off for an exclusive knees-up at the Royal Auckland Golf Club.”

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  1. Although, I’d have changed this a bit: used chauffered instead of ferried, changed ‘get snapped’ to ‘enjoy a quick photo opportunity’ and ‘knees-up’ to something like ‘cocktail party’.

    Comment by danylmc — April 20, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  2. Really? This is what politicians are worried about? The person who is one of the most powerful people in the country using resources we put him in charge of? Maybe the Greens could you know, worry about running the country or whatever, I think it’s a worse use of taxpayer money paying MPs to investigate other MPs soley for the purpose of personal attacks. How about we get a report into how many man hours each party spent in writing up their opinion pieces for this? It probably cost us more than the flight itself.

    Comment by Eddy — April 20, 2011 @ 5:55 pm

  3. What’s interesting is that it turns out that the armed forces helicopter was going to go flying about _anyway_. They are required to fly a certain number of hours every year, and they were going to fly empty or not. They provided the PM with a ride to his engagements. And as someone else pointed out, it’s not like the armed forces helicopters are riding in the lap of luxury.

    Comment by David in Chch — April 20, 2011 @ 6:07 pm

  4. Danyl’s point is that it’s a good two-line zing that dents Key’s credibility and gets a chuckle – it’s not THE GLORIOUS CHANCE TO REVEAL KEY FOR THE RICK PRICK HE IS that Silent T went for.

    Comment by JD — April 20, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  5. David in Chch – what’s the source for this ‘it was training anyway’ claim? Certainly not in the article. Cheers

    Comment by StephenR — April 20, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

  6. No it wasn’t in the article, but was noted on National Radio, for what it’s worth.

    Comment by David in Chch — April 20, 2011 @ 6:11 pm

  7. “….but was noted on National Radio, for what it’s worth”

    By DPF, perchance?

    Reason I ask is that it seems like a convenient answer. Would have the chopper been flying right then, just aimlessly? Or are the hours subtracted for carrying the PM about usually counted when flying while doing some other sort of training?

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — April 20, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

  8. Whilst the greens did far better than Labour at attacking Key over this I really wonder if us well educated blog reading types are looking at this the wrong way. I think middle New Zealand would think Key was manly and kinda cool to head to the V8s then hitch a ride in a air force helicopter up to Auckland. I think this fits with Keys kiwi bloke image. I don’t know how accurate this is but thought it was worth mentioning.

    Comment by Squirrel — April 20, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

  9. “they were going to fly anyway”
    Um… where can I book *my* ride next time they’re flying *anyway*?
    As someone who helps pay for this stuff, I’m just saying.

    Comment by Roger Parkinson — April 20, 2011 @ 6:23 pm

  10. Labour’s dynamic deputy is onto it:

    http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/king-food-bank-crisis-priority-not-chopper-rides/5/88359

    Memorable lines: zero. Resulting media coverage: I’m guessing near-zero.

    On the “was flying anyway” line, I’d love to eavesdrop on this phone call …

    PM’s Office: “Can we use the helicopter at short notice?”

    Air Force: “No, we have other plans.”

    PM’s Office: “Oh dear me, never mind, can’t be helped.”

    Because that’s how it would have gone, right?

    Comment by sammy — April 20, 2011 @ 6:26 pm

  11. According to RNZ the chopper was booked on Feb 2nd in anticipation of the traffic snarl up.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/73393/pm-criticised-for-using-air-force-helicopter

    JC

    Comment by JC — April 20, 2011 @ 7:04 pm

  12. I’m not sure how that changes anything JC. The official defense seems to be this:

    They say because Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand was also attending the dinner at an Auckland golf club, protocol meant Mr Key could not be late.

    I’m sure that’s true. But given the importance of this, I’m not sure why the photo’s of him being in a V8 were so necessary that it required the use of the helicopters.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — April 20, 2011 @ 7:20 pm

  13. I’d have changed this a bit: . . . ‘knees-up’ to something like ‘cocktail party’.

    Kinda cockney innit. That John Key, he always had a smile and a wave for the likes of us, back in the blitz:
    Knees up Mister Key
    Knees up Mister Key
    Under the table you must go
    Ee-aye, Ee-aye, Ee-aye-oh
    If I catch you bending
    I’ll saw your legs right off
    Knees up, knees up
    Never get the breeze up
    Knees up Mister Key

    Comment by joe Wylie — April 20, 2011 @ 7:29 pm

  14. I think middle New Zealand would think Key was manly and kinda cool to head to the V8s then hitch a ride in a air force helicopter up to Auckland. I think this fits with Keys kiwi bloke image.

    I guess John Key has an advantage over Helen Clark when it comes to “middle New Zealand” holding a manly bloke image of the PM.

    Come to think of it, though, Labour did stay in government for three terms.

    Comment by MikeM — April 20, 2011 @ 7:35 pm

  15. Clark should have done the same thing instead of having the team drive at 140kph to a rugby game.

    Comment by llew — April 20, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

  16. Yeah, Turei’s shot at it was actually pretty good. Why aren’t these guys the main opposition party again? I think someone already told me but I forgot.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — April 20, 2011 @ 7:53 pm

  17. Jebus, can we just buy these clowns a cheap Gulf Stream Jet and be done with this Bullshit. Part of the job is to turn up and look like a disk in front of the camera and real people looking a bit bemused.

    @llew you have been trolling this shit all day, did you get diversions or a conviction for theft as a servant?

    Comment by andy (the other one) — April 20, 2011 @ 7:54 pm

  18. If the Greens changed the party name to something with less connotations of environmentalism (and not saying they should), would people maybe suddenly start to support them in droves at Labour’s and perhaps partly National’s further expense? It’s not as if most voters tend to look at something as obscure as policies when deciding who to support, after all.

    Comment by MikeM — April 20, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

  19. why did he have to go back to his mansion in Parnell to change into his suit for the dinner? don’t they have changing rooms in Hamilton?

    Comment by Kahikatea — April 20, 2011 @ 8:23 pm

  20. Pascal @ 12

    What it shows is that Key’s staff back in Feb could not guarantee that Key could be got back in time for his GG appointment and made alternative arrangements.. which also was sufficient time for the Air Force to work in a flight as training and within budget.

    So the real question is whether Key should have attended the event at all.. and I guess thats a matter of political judgement.

    JC

    Comment by JC — April 20, 2011 @ 8:24 pm

  21. So who reckons the Air Force uses pilots whose training priority is ‘get some hours’ when ferrying the PM to photo shoots?

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — April 20, 2011 @ 8:59 pm

  22. I really can’t think of a finer way to serve my country…

    oh wait, except for throwing myself into the sea to protest oil drilling. If only I didn’t get so sea-sick.

    Comment by LucyJH — April 20, 2011 @ 10:15 pm

  23. They should just drag one of the rusty, dusty Skyhawks out of the hanger and use one of them.

    Comment by Gooner — April 20, 2011 @ 10:16 pm

  24. The usual Standard.EPMU.Labour PR trolls are out of the closte aka pascal eddy et al which goes to show non story.

    Comment by will — April 20, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

  25. The point about ‘flying around anyway’ is that the hours flown on this trip were already paid for as part of the annual allocation in the NZDF budget. Doesn’t cost the taxpayer any extra.

    Comment by samm — April 21, 2011 @ 12:28 am

  26. @ #21
    Given that ‘getting some hours’ is a priority of just about every pilot in their career (bar in those about to retire), professional, military, civilian or not, I’m not sure what your point is.

    Comment by samm — April 21, 2011 @ 12:33 am

  27. Maybe the Air Force proposed it for all I know. If anything concerns me though, I think it’s that the optimal training for Air Force pilots (where and when and under what conditions they get their hours) should be determined by the Air Force, not by the Prime Minister’s secretary or anyone of that ilk.

    If it’s acceptable for pilots to build hours through this (perhaps it is) and if they’re going to be elsewhere doing less useful flying exercises anyway, why don’t we see them ferrying the PM frequently? Why not go for some net savings and assign Iroquois and pilots to ministers and then put less petrol in the BMW fleet?

    Comment by MikeM — April 21, 2011 @ 12:53 am

  28. Why aren’t these guys the main opposition party again? I think someone already told me but I forgot.

    Because apparently believing in climate change and that GE can contaminate other organisms five years before the press finally accepts it makes you ‘anti-science’. Also, they’re the ‘cannabis party’.

    That and fringe parties can’t ever be considered rational by definition. Apparently.

    Comment by flynn_the_cat — April 21, 2011 @ 12:54 am

  29. According to Radio Left wing , quietly tacked on the end of the article is that the funding arrangements for the NZDF include 40 hours per year for ferrying around VIP’s. Apparently JK has used 4 so far this year. I wonder if Phil knew he would have been entitled to some ? I assume he must have, if not I bet he’s pissed because there is no way he can use them now.

    Comment by Andy C — April 21, 2011 @ 1:06 am

  30. Theres a graph for ya Danyl. Governmantal flying hour usage by year over the past 20 years with the pretty red and blue vert bands. You could even add a hori line showing the under or over utilisation of this v.v 40 hrs. Bet ya a dollat to a scuzzy old 10 cent piece Mrs Clark was a big user.

    Comment by will — April 21, 2011 @ 4:37 am

  31. p.s. Daylight saving time adjustment needed on post time stamp.

    Comment by will — April 21, 2011 @ 4:39 am

  32. …funding arrangements for the NZDF include 40 hours per year for ferrying around VIP’s. Apparently JK has used 4 so far this year.

    Are there funding arrangements for making sure Key gets to photo ops without missing his dinner? It didn’t mention those.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — April 21, 2011 @ 7:28 am

  33. Theres a graph for ya Danyl. Governmantal flying hour usage by year over the past 20 years with the pretty red and blue vert bands. You could even add a hori line showing the under or over utilisation of this v.v 40 hrs. Bet ya a dollat to a scuzzy old 10 cent piece Mrs Clark was a big user.

    Yeah, but like I said in the first post on this I don’t care how much the PM uses the airforce. I don’t think it’s an interesting story.

    Comment by danylmc — April 21, 2011 @ 8:51 am

  34. The herald is giving the story some oxygen this morning though. Goff even gets a favorable mention for being driven by his wife in a private vehicle instead of using VIP transport. And there is even a mocking cartoon!

    Comment by Sanctuary — April 21, 2011 @ 9:08 am

  35. It will all fade into the background once more dirt on the Hughes Scandal makes more headlines.

    Comment by abel the amish — April 21, 2011 @ 9:21 am

  36. The Greens managed this better than Labour for sure.

    It’s a non-issue really, but good for a media beat-up. Whoever the PM is, I don’t see the occasional use of airforce choppers like this as self-indulgence.

    no-one seems to have noticed that he’s just become a member of the Club though – one of the last bastions of old money in Auckland

    Comment by Michael Stevens — April 21, 2011 @ 11:01 am


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