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May 17, 2011

Like Singapore

Filed under: economics,policy — danylmc @ 10:08 pm

I agree with the general argument made in this Herald article by Chris Worthington, namely that the economies of modern nation-states are incredibly complex systems and they need incremental change via evidence based policy, not one crackpot experiment after another.

I do want to pick up on one point he makes, that I’ve been meaning to write about for a while:

Right-leaning parties previously looked to Ireland’s model of low corporate taxes and openness to foreign direct investment, but, mysteriously, not so much lately. Singapore is the new free-market darling, with ultra-low income taxes, a minimal public sector and fast economic growth.

Singapore is the darling of free-market, right-wing parties. Which is strange, because Singapore is the world’s ultimate nanny-state: not just culturally in the sense that the government controls the media and all forms of entertainment, but in the sense that it’s essentially a massive socialist state in which the government micro-manages the whole economy.

Let’s look at a few examples:

  • The right likes Singapore because they enjoy a low corporate tax rate. It’s currently at 17%. Pretty low. In New Zealand it’s 28%. But in Singapore the government owns the Ports of Singapore, the busiest port in the world, which is the key income earner for the entire economy. Our economy could be ‘like Singapore’ if we nationalised Fonterra and all of our dairy farms, because this would provide a revenue stream comparable to that of Singapore’s port. Then we could have a really low corporate tax rate and finance the government through the revenue from its capital assets, like they do.
  • Singapore also has low income taxes. But Singapore ALSO has a compulsory savings scheme in which you pay 20% of your income into a private savings account, and your employers are compelled to pay 15%. This pays for your healthcare and retirement. It’s not a tax in the technical sense in that you don’t pay it to the government – but you can classify it as such for net income purposes, and if you do then taxation in Singapore is higher than it is for the majority of New Zealanders.
  • Next right-wing canard: there’s no welfare in Singapore, therefore unemployment is very low. Welfare in Singapore is pretty basic. And unemployment IS low. There are a few reasons for this: the state pays employers a retention bonus not to lay people off. And if someone does lose their job they go into a mandatory job-placement and re-training scheme. And if overall unemployment increases then the government launches a new development and soaks up the jobless. There isn’t a lot of free-market magic operating in there – it’s all intensive micro-management by the state.
  • There’s a lot of other non-free market aspects to Singapore’s economy – like the fact that almost all business and residential property is owned by the state, either directly or via its sovereign wealth fund, or that you have to pay the state about $16,000 for a permit to buy a car, and then a daily congestion tax to use it.

My point is that the right – notoriously Don Brash – endlessly insist that we need to ‘be like Singapore’. But what they actually mean is that we need to be completely unlike Singapore in almost every way imaginable, with the exception of a tiny number of policy areas that massively benefit the rich and harm the poor. This is a zero-credibility argument. If Labour or the Greens announced that New Zealand should be ‘like Norway’ and have a gigantic sovereign wealth fund that paid for everyone’s retirement, but no idea how to fund it then they’d be laughed at. But the fantasy-Singapore worship on the right is even more absurd.

65 Comments »

  1. I have to say the 2025 commission showed it perfectly proposing we catch up by Australia by moving in the opposite direction policy wise.

    Comment by Rob — May 17, 2011 @ 10:21 pm

  2. It’s worth noting that the state controls 60% of Singapore’s economy. This includes not only the port, but most of its manufacturing, including high technology.

    This would be like if New Zealand owned its oil companies, its banks, its airline, its railways, its steel and forestry industries. It would be like NZ in 1985.

    Of course, it would also help if New Zealand was situated on a strait that carried 60% of the world’s freight.

    Then we could also get on with the business of arresting anyone who did held a political meeting of more than 4 people, strictly controlling the press and prohibiting opposition parties from winning elections. We’d also import a labour force with no political or labour rights and wages a fraction of those paid to citizens and skilled workers.

    Comment by George D — May 17, 2011 @ 10:30 pm

  3. Sorry, one quarter of the world’s freight, rather.

    Comment by George D — May 17, 2011 @ 10:31 pm

  4. Sssshhhhhhhh, you are letting the secrets out.

    Comment by haTER — May 17, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

  5. Danyl – Good post. The forced saving vs consumption has raised Singaporean incomes but this self discipline is something NZers are unwilling to accept.

    Comment by sagenz — May 17, 2011 @ 10:33 pm

  6. mandatory job-placement and re-training scheme

    These policies are all so left. And yet if you proposed the above in New Zealand the left would cry out in anguish. How dare you force people into job placement and re-training.

    Comment by Chris — May 17, 2011 @ 10:38 pm

  7. Homosexuality is illegal in Singapore. That alone would be enough to recommend it to some on the freedom-loving Kiwiblog Right.

    Comment by sammy — May 17, 2011 @ 10:40 pm

  8. Temasek Holdings – what Norm Kirk’s super fund could have been, had Muldoon not unleashed the Dancing Cossacks.

    Comment by DeepRed — May 17, 2011 @ 10:50 pm

  9. We could lower income taxes easily then.
    Just introduce another tax (call it a levy, NOT a tax, or course) and use it to slash income taxes.
    We could call it the ‘Singapore levy’ ‘cos it would make us a bit more like Singapore.
    Maybe I’m starting to understand how this works.
    Thanks for the enlightening post.

    Comment by Roger Parkinson — May 17, 2011 @ 10:51 pm

  10. “Right-leaning parties previously looked to Ireland’s model of low corporate taxes and openness to foreign direct investment”
    > except they didn’t because Ireland was propped up by EU subsidies and inter EU tax breaks.

    “but, mysteriously, not so much lately.”
    > That’s because the peasants are revolting after the Govt. sponsored property investment binge ended kinda badly

    “Singapore is the new free-market darling”
    >Singapore has been noted as an Asian neo-freeport economic model for decades.

    “with ultra-low income taxes, a minimal public sector and fast economic growth.”
    > except it has a huge public sector in reality so I guess we agree in one respect.

    Singapore has risen economically by positioning itself as the key honest Asian freeport. I suspect Brash likes Singapore because of its’ rules, economic success, focus on individual responsibility and pragmatic capitalist/directive/socialism; Brash is a strong fish who I don’t necessarily agree with but who I know you underestimate.

    Comment by abel the amish — May 17, 2011 @ 11:02 pm

  11. Brash = The Right in the same way Hone = The Left

    Clark used to be a big fan of the Celtic Tiger back then.

    Comment by NeilM — May 17, 2011 @ 11:09 pm

  12. And given Fonterra is just like a government department we should just nationalise it. Labour, can you campaign on that?

    Comment by abel the amish — May 17, 2011 @ 11:09 pm

  13. Abel, given that Labour has never been on about being like Singapore, it’s really for those who’ve been doing so — ACT and the Nats — to explain why, if that’s what they’re really about, they’re not planning to nationalise Fonterra.

    After all — ACT of late has certainly been emulating the PAP’s social and justice policy track: civil liberties are for pussies, so let’s get tough on everything, except what’s committed by the big swinging dicks who’re risking everyone else’s money running the country.

    L

    Comment by Lew — May 17, 2011 @ 11:20 pm

  14. As NeilM notes Labour were swinging dick about Ireland and Norway being zippidydodah so it’s only a hop skip and jump to push for the Singaporisation of NZ Inc. Brash is more of pure socialist than you realise; Clark and Co never really pushed for responsibility for self as a benefit for the whole.

    Comment by abel the amish — May 17, 2011 @ 11:26 pm

  15. For those who think this is not about the “Right”, just Brash (and therefore easier to dismiss), here’s an ode to Singapore, by Don Brash’s finance spokesman, John Key:

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0605/S00004.htm

    Comment by sammy — May 17, 2011 @ 11:28 pm

  16. Yeah Key said “Maybe there are things we can learn from countries like Singapore, without necessarily adopting their whole package of policies. Some would not be suitable, or acceptable, in New Zealand”

    Comment by abel the amish — May 17, 2011 @ 11:40 pm

  17. “Maybe there are things we can learn from countries like Singapore, without necessarily adopting their whole package of policies. Some would not be suitable, or acceptable, in New Zealand”

    Yeah, let’s adopt their low headline personal tax rate, the key to their success.

    Comment by George D — May 17, 2011 @ 11:48 pm

  18. Some things might not be suitable, or acceptable, in New Zealand. Like, you know — the government owning the economy and almost all of the property, riding roughshod over civil and political rights, treating the government and economy as a semi-dynastic fiefdom, severely constraining the economic agency of the public, and doing so all in the name of the paternalistic Confucian essentialism of ‘Asian Values’ — just all the main things that make Singapore Singapore.

    L

    Comment by Lew — May 17, 2011 @ 11:51 pm

  19. “If Labour or the Greens announced that New Zealand should be ‘like Norway’ and have a gigantic sovereign wealth fund that paid for everyone’s retirement, but no idea how to fund it then they’d be laughed at.”

    What do you mean “if”? They’ve already tried to do it.

    Comment by Miguel Sanchez — May 18, 2011 @ 12:15 am

  20. These policies are all so left. And yet if you proposed the above in New Zealand the left would cry out in anguish.
    Not to diminish what you’ve said too much, but this point just demonstrates how ‘right’ and ‘left’ are inadequately blunt terms for describing political preferences. It doesn’t mean we’re not still being constantly conditioned to think of politics as if it’s a bipolar thing with only two possible directions along a spectrum metaphor, despite having done away with FPP so long ago.

    Comment by MikeM — May 18, 2011 @ 1:07 am

  21. What do you mean “if”? They’ve already tried to do it.

    They set up the Cullen fund with the government’s surplus to supplement super payments. Not an unrealistic policy, although naturally Brash wants us to cash it up.

    Comment by danylmc — May 18, 2011 @ 6:41 am

  22. We dont have a surplus.

    Comment by will — May 18, 2011 @ 7:32 am

  23. One interesting thing about Singapore is that over there, the lack of a welfare state is unsustainable. Confucian values or not, the lack of a safety net is only politically possible if the economy keeps expanding fast enough to keep unemployment exceptionally low. And no one has managed to sustain growth like Singapore’s forever. You could see the cracks when Singapore experienced the horrors of 3% unemployment during the recession. The PAP actually did a pretty good job of managing the recession — one of their characteristics is that when they believe that government does has a role to play, they don’t do it by halves. Still, S’poreans saw people who had kept their heads down and worked hard all their lives lose their jobs and have to rely on family. Don’t know exactly how much this contributed to the PAP’s record low support in the recent elections, but it’s surely a factor. For their part, the PAP are making very small steps towards a safety net — the most plausible alternative is a change from soft authoritarianism to hard authoritarianism, which I don’t think they have the stomach for (at least I hope not).

    Comment by bradluen — May 18, 2011 @ 8:16 am

  24. “What do you mean “if”? They’ve already tried to do it.”

    Norway has become absurdly wealthy by being mature enough to drill for offshore oil. Thats the difference betweeen nimby socialism funded by an international overdraft, and an intelligent state that can actually pay for its policies.

    Comment by gn — May 18, 2011 @ 8:36 am

  25. @gn – imho the maturity isn’t that they drilled (plenty of nations do this)… but rather what they did with the income.

    Given NZ’s history of snatching economic defeat from the jaws of victory, I’m fairy certain we’d stuff it up. Big boom for a few people, bugger-all for the country as a whole.

    Comment by TBWood — May 18, 2011 @ 8:59 am

  26. Norway has become absurdly wealthy by being mature enough to drill for offshore oil. Thats the difference betweeen nimby socialism funded by an international overdraft, and an intelligent state that can actually pay for its policies.

    New Zealand had large oil and gas projects, thanks to Muldoon. They were sold off by the neoliberals (who used the containable debt they generated to sell off everything else), the profits went to a small number, the oil was burned at a wonderful rate, and real New Zealand never saw any great benefit. Although this was a on a much smaller scale, quite the opposite of Norway, really.

    Comment by George D — May 18, 2011 @ 9:32 am

  27. Brash/Key’s adoration of Singapore is oddly similar to Brash’s “one law for all policy” – they both make sense in that regard only if you completely ignore the history of both nations.

    Comment by Jono — May 18, 2011 @ 10:39 am

  28. “They set up the Cullen fund with the government’s surplus to supplement super payments”
    No. They set up the Super Fund to smooth 40yrs of super payments – they’ve inflated the cost of super now up to the 40yr average. The Fund keeps the difference and gives it back as the actual cost rises above that average. Nothing to do with surplus/deficit…

    Comment by garethw — May 18, 2011 @ 10:43 am

  29. Yeah, I always thought of Singapore as an uber capitalist state. Then I read an interesting article about environmental groups there in which I was fascinated to learn (as you point out) that almost all real estate in Singapore is owned by the government. This makes preventing new developments of ecologically sensitive areas very difficult because essentially the state is being asked to make a decision on whether an activity that will benefit them economically should be allowed on land they own.

    Comment by LucyJH — May 18, 2011 @ 10:43 am

  30. Rubbish George. NZ has 60m barrels proven reserves, Norway 6 bill. There is no comparison. Norway produces over 1.5b barrels a year, which seems quite a wonderful rate to me, which I wish we had.

    What everyone forgets about Norway is that the govt takes on a lot of the risk of exploration by being an active investment partner. That equates to financial risk though. Whereas in NZ all we do is tax and take royalties, which is effectively riskless, so of course the returns are going to be lower in $ terms, but then so are the costs.

    Norway’s biggest advantage is that they have a big resource and lots of people wanting it, so they can name their terms which means big returns. NZ doesn’t, so can’t, so has poorer returns. Simple supply and demand economics.

    Comment by insider — May 18, 2011 @ 10:55 am

  31. danylmc @ comment 21
    The whole point of the Cullen fund is that it is meant to be cashed up and spent. The intention of the fund was that it was money saved today to be SPENT tomorrow. It was never meant to be a Sovereign wealth fund to be kept in perpetuity. It is only the Greens who appear to regard it as that. It is also only the Greens who want to invest the money in things they regard as “desirable” rather than in ways that will increase the fund.
    There is another difference in their approach to that of Singapore. Singapore did not go out and try and pick winners. They did not say this company is worthy and that one is not.
    In the 1960s they simply welcomed any company that would employ people. At the time unemployment rates were of the oreder of 50%. Then when unemployment had been broken they stopped welcoming low-skill businesses and opened the gates to the capital intensive firms. That was when the refineries and so on started. The next stage was to welcome the high-tech industries, which is when the semi-conductor businesses started. Now they welcome knowledge intensive businesses like banking.
    At no time however did they favour specific firms. Any firm that had the job-mix they were looking for was welcomed.
    I don’t know whether they will continue in that vein however. The Lee family are behaving a bit to much like an hereditary dynasty with Lee’s son as PM and his daughter-in law running the investment trust. Anyone who opposes them is crushed, often by being sued for defamation and punished by an aquiescent judiciary.

    Comment by Alwyn — May 18, 2011 @ 10:59 am

  32. “NZ has 60m barrels proven reserves, Norway 6 bill. There is no comparison. Norway produces over 1.5b barrels a year”

    Sorry, am I missing something there? They have oil enough to last 4 years?

    Comment by Greg — May 18, 2011 @ 11:01 am

  33. @george sorry read a daily figure as an annual cumulative production figure. Big differential no matter what.

    Comment by insider — May 18, 2011 @ 11:29 am

  34. Singapore is basically the PRC’s fantasy – sure, it’s an authoritarian pseudodemocratic statist hellhole, but it’s still beloved by the Right worldwide!

    Comment by Trouble Man — May 18, 2011 @ 11:29 am

  35. @ Chris – mandatory job-placement and re-training scheme

    These policies are all so left. And yet if you proposed the above in New Zealand the left would cry out in anguish. How dare you force people into job placement and re-training.

    May I direct you to Working New Zealand – initiated by the Labour government circa 2006. Though not perfect (see the OAG’s report on it here: http://www.oag.govt.nz/2009/social-development/part2.htm) it was essentially what you’re talking about.

    Comment by Pete — May 18, 2011 @ 11:50 am

  36. One of the most odd aspects (to me anyway) of the sort of knee jerk right wing responses so wonderfully encapsulated here is that they are expressed in an intellectual lockstep right the way up the intelligence tree – right from the bottom (a kiwiblogger’s response to contrary stimuli) to the top (the “leading bank economists” so beloved of our media). The puzzling thing is the analysis of economic problems by media annointed commentators in the banks and other such approved talking heads of the neo-liberal economic establishment is often reasonably good, yet their solutions are woefully inadequate – it is just to propose a set of magical incantations. It is as if they they think the only answer to any spelling question is to sing the alphabet song.

    I think that this whole right wing mantra may just be another expression of our cultures profound anti-intellectualism. well thought out, incremental solutions built around sound analysis and high-level concepts that are then successfully implemented and percolated through complex organisations is far to smarty pants for us. We just demand tax cuts and the right for the boss to run riot using a heroic leadership model. Of course, this has the added advantage of allowing our business leaders to all fantasise that they are Alexander the Great in a pin stripe suit, slashing the Gordian knot of business success with their mighty swords of action rather than having to go through the dreary, boring and dreadfully intellectual process of actually unpicking it.

    Screaming “SINGAPORE” fits this lazy lack of thinking and imagination quite well.

    Comment by Sanctuary — May 18, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

  37. And in todays buzzword bingo we have:

    knee jerk
    encapsulated
    intellectual lockstep
    intelligence tree contrary stimuli
    media annointed commentators
    talking heads
    neo-liberal economic establishment
    magical incantations
    right wing mantra
    anti-intellectualism
    incremental solutions
    heroic leadership model

    and of course

    slashing the Gordian knot of business success with their mighty swords of action

    Comment by abel the amish — May 18, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

  38. Wow, what crowds are you hanging out with where “slashing the Gordian knot of business success with their mighty swords of action” is regular enough to be considered a buzzword?

    Comment by garethw — May 18, 2011 @ 1:30 pm

  39. Sanctuary

    I could probably make a similar (if less erudite) critique of much criticism by ‘the left’ – their kneejerk responses tend to revolve around similarly anti-intellectual buzz words like: greedy, selfish, privatisation, monopoly, asset stripping, price gouging, ripoff.

    Look at the front page of the DomPost for a classic example – ‘greedy farmers ripping us off (again)’. No mention that exactly the same tax rules apply in exactly the same way to all businesses in NZ, including the DomPost (no mention of how much tax it paid I note). And their knot cleaving sword is predictably intervention, regulation, public control because they are, by definition, ‘better’ even if they might not be.

    Comment by insider — May 18, 2011 @ 1:57 pm

  40. To rebut your illiberal thought and opinion “canards”

    The right to own MV is in recognition of the cost of traffic congestion and to ensure the highest utility of land is to housing instead of roads, further unlike Auckland, the public transport system.

    If you consider the compulsory pension fund to be tax and that likewise the canard than the Aussie/NZ sponsored super funds would have to be deemed as such. you forget that the CPF sponsored by the employer and employee enjoy tax deductions similiar to home mortgage.

    A lot of thought came for the state land in because of the fact that land mass size of Singapore is smaller than of Lake Taupo despite the expansion thru land reclamation done by the state.
    Further, your thoughts forgo the idea of dominion of public interest in which the different states in the USA use to obtain freehold land.
    Further at least since 1980s, all land obtained from private sector is set at market value at a certain time period so unsure how iilliberal you can claim to be.

    Comment by AJOHOR — May 18, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  41. @ garethw

    The DimPost old bean! More precisely Sanctuary aka Lyn Prentices’ Apprentice

    Comment by abel the amish — May 18, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

  42. Yeah, I don’t really see Green economic policy as being the product of the sort of pointy-headed, intellectual, long-termist thought that is the antithesis of what Danyl is criticising here.

    (I was going to say the same about Labour, but given that nobody here intends to vote for Labour, I’d be preaching to the converted).

    Comment by Hugh — May 18, 2011 @ 2:24 pm

  43. “Look at the front page of the DomPost for a classic example – ‘greedy farmers ripping us off (again)’.”

    I don’t think that was particularly about left vs right (the Dompost is not notably leftist). Rather, it was about the journalist failing to understand the difference between income and turnover.

    Comment by Kahikatea — May 18, 2011 @ 2:31 pm

  44. @ Kahikatea

    It appears an exclusive story sold by Labour so that had to have been the selling hook, otherwise why make it exclusive if there is no news in it? There has been no media release I can see. Last I heard Labour were leftish.

    I wouldn’t blame the journalist’s ignorance. It was likely reviewed and agreed to by the chief reporter, chief sub, some general subs, deputy editor and editor. They can’t all be that stupid can they?

    Comment by insider — May 18, 2011 @ 2:45 pm

  45. It was likely reviewed and agreed to by the chief reporter, chief sub, some general subs, deputy editor and editor. They can’t all be that stupid can they?

    Newspaper rooms are anorexic when it comes to staff levels – especially the number of senior journos with lots of knowledge. Also, Fairfax has sub-editing hubs (lots of papers being subbed in one place) rather that a subs’ bench at each newspaper. If a journalist doesn’t understand what they’re writing about, it’s likely the story will still get printed as-is.

    Comment by Ataahua — May 18, 2011 @ 3:34 pm

  46. It was the front page lead. I don’t believe it wouldn’t have been reviewed by senior staff.

    Comment by insider — May 18, 2011 @ 4:26 pm

  47. The story was written by Vernon Small. You don’t get much more senior than that. Be a pretty brave chief reporter to quibble with him on an economics story.

    Comment by danylmc — May 18, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

  48. It was likely reviewed and agreed to by the chief reporter, chief sub, some general subs, deputy editor and editor. They can’t all be that stupid can they?

    I dunno. Follow them on twitter for awhile and you’ll begin to think that some of them are pretty stupid.

    Comment by gris — May 18, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

  49. I don’t see why you have to be brave to question a matter of fact, but egos do abound in senior media. But good editors or their deputies read their papers before publishing. Editors are highly paid commercial managers who should have a clue about figures like income and profit. If they missed it, then they need a significant kick for not doing their job; if they agreed to it, then they need a kick for presenting misleading information. I suspect the latter is sadly considered the lesser crime in media.

    Comment by insider — May 18, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

  50. Yeah, well, if Katy Perry can get two front page stories on the same day, the senior staff are probably on serious amounts of crack. Any fantasies that there’s such things as editorial quality or that the senior editors are actually businessmen (and not being pressured into a race to the intellectual nadir of publishing by corporate leaders who know the price of everything and don’t know the value of sustained quality publishing) can be laid to rest by the sheer volume of factually incorrect, misspelled and just plain stupid stories that manage to slip through that fine grade net you seem to think makes up editorial.

    There is no fine grade net. The editors are reactionary pricks without the wherewithall to produce a decent newspaper. We’re being sold short, and the idea that these clowns know how to do anything except cut jobs and funding is about as naive as you can possibly get.

    Comment by Dizzy — May 18, 2011 @ 7:05 pm

  51. But what have you got to say to the general argument of this article eh Danyl? The Herald ask the hard questions yet again.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10726455

    Comment by LucyJH — May 18, 2011 @ 7:44 pm

  52. the journalist failing to understand the difference between income and turnover.
    I still don’t get this – the article I’ve seen online made no mention of income/turnover. It mentioned that for an income of $500k they only paid $1300 tax (or so) which isn’t misunderstanding income/profit but making a comment that for the levels of income those businesses seem to be REALLY unprofitable. Did I miss something in the Dom Post print perhaps?

    Comment by garethw — May 18, 2011 @ 8:31 pm

  53. Interesting that Brash wants us to be like Singapore AND Australia.

    I would have thought minor matters like climate, geology, geography, population, cultural history,
    market access, access to trade routes, physical resources might matter.

    Apparently not. Only economic hypothesis/dogma matters.

    This makes as much sense as the Nazi master race ideas. It is illogical.

    The right are fond of using the phrase “politics of envy”, often to defend greed.

    It seems to me that wanting to be like Singapore and/or Australia exemplifies the “politics of envy”.
    Remember when people touted Ireland as the country to emulate?

    Have you noticed that both so called “right” and “left” wing dictatorships adore the means of social control. The “nanny state” so vilified by the Nats etc. are reflected by “Daddy knows best”. (Muldoon is not a bad example.)

    Both positions lead to centralized dictatorships.

    We need to keep all the bastards honest.

    Our politicians have fallen into the hands of spin doctors and marketers.

    We have got to stop being stupid enough to believe their crap.

    Why do they spin this supermarket crapola?

    Our governing term is too short.

    Under FFP we would probably done better with a 4 year term. (Yeah I know, but, under a 4 year regime Muldoon may not have happened.)

    Under MMP a 5 year governance makes sense and ought to instill some honesty into the bastards.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — May 18, 2011 @ 8:42 pm

  54. @ Lucy

    Mr Campbell has since posted on Twitter that he’ll have Mr Dunne and his hair on his show tonight.
    “I’ll interview them both at once. Or, my hair will interview his.”

    Cue ‘Family Guy’ cut-scene in 3… 2… 1…

    Comment by Phil — May 18, 2011 @ 8:52 pm

  55. she said “the journalist failing to understand the difference between income and turnover.”

    he said “I still don’t get this – the article I’ve seen online made no mention of income/turnover.”

    the version in the Dompost just used the word ‘income’. In the case of the dairy farmer, this was clearly the business income, or turnover, because the farmer mentioned that a lot of it was spent on tax-deductible business expenses, yet it was compared with the wage-earner’s income, which is actually i=equivalent to profit in the case of the farmer.

    A comparison between the the tax on a wage of $50 000 and the tax paid b y a businessperson whose business has a turnover of %500 000 is pretty meaningless if you don’t know the profit margin of the business (which the article made no mention of).

    Comment by Kahikatea — May 18, 2011 @ 10:33 pm

  56. @peterlepaysan: The ladder-kicking hypocrites of this world want their cake and eat it too. Small problem – the cake is a lie. So they lecture the proles about letting them eat cake.

    Comment by DeepRed — May 18, 2011 @ 10:34 pm

  57. lol, Goff “it will be a timid and tinkering budget” FFS, thats the pot calling the kettle black, as Cunliffe appears on Willies Maori TV show wearing a $3000 hand stiched fitted suit calling Willie ‘Bro’

    Try hard city.

    Comment by will — May 18, 2011 @ 11:49 pm

  58. I thought a lot of the income from dairy farms is only realised when you sell it – and of course the Labour spokesperson disclaimed even thinking about capital gains taxes. Kinda like the old kiwifruit days. . .

    Comment by Owen — May 19, 2011 @ 12:19 am

  59. “…Cunliffe appears on Willies Maori TV show wearing a $3000…”

    Politics of envy! Politics of envy!

    Comment by Sanctuary — May 19, 2011 @ 8:29 am

  60. Singapore is a neo-fascist state.It gets great results in the economy by sheer force and regulation but its people have limited freedom and potential outside the purview of state permission.Its no Free market pin up.

    There are many things we could cherry pick from it that combined with a more socially liberal approach here would give us the best situation possible but Kiwis will have to grow up and accept personal responsibility first and that’s a big ask after the decades of neo-genocide of spirit and character delivered by the welfare state.

    Comment by James — May 20, 2011 @ 11:03 pm

  61. “There are many things we could cherry pick from it that combined with a more socially liberal approach here would give us the best situation possible…”

    Lived in Singapore since 2001 and that’s my view too.

    “Kiwis will have to grow up and accept personal responsibility first and that’s a big ask”

    ditto.

    I have a love-hate thing going on with Singapore – a lot of it drives me nuts – but then I can say the same about NZ too. They are polar opposites in many respects. I can get the best of both by living and working in Singapore (with low tax, great infrastructure, efficient govt departments) and taking an occasional holiday in NZ or anywhere else.

    Danyl has missed the point on each of his points though. There are some very cleverly arranged policies, rules and regulations, and most importantly: efficiencies here that make a lot of sense here. Almost everything is slightly tilted towards individual responsibility rather than government and for the most part I think that’s good.

    Yes, cars are expensive to own – but that is backed up with an extensive cheap public transport system. The Greens should love that. Danyl’s numbers are a bit out too: the current COE cost for below 1600cc is $44,000 and bigger engined cars will attract a $56,000 fee. Cars also have huge sales tax. A basic Hyundai will set you back $100,000 – $130,000. Fantastic. That’s why I can always find a park.

    I have many local friends who live in public housing and grumble about the government – but they would all hate it to go the way of the wasteful western governments. They love to come to NZ to take photos but they think the NZ government is fucked in the head.

    Comment by Mat Salleh — May 21, 2011 @ 3:23 am

  62. I am a bit late to the game but good post Danyl. I am soon to leave Singapore and quite frankly, the use of it as a model by the NZ Right is reprehensible, ignorant or both. Then again, if you are a corporate expat living in an enclave with your maid, car, apartment/house, club fees paid by the firm on top of a mid to high 6 figure salary, it just might seem like a good place to live. Particularly so if you have a case of “yellow fever.” Since I am not one of these people, my take on SG is different. Here are two examples, one about the recent elections and one about race-based policy: http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2011/04/a-door-cracks-open-in-the-little-red-dot/ and http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2010/07/the-racial-basis-of-a-small-se-asian-state/

    Comment by Pablo — May 22, 2011 @ 10:17 pm

  63. The low tax rate in Singapore is a fallacy. Low to mid-income families who predominantly live in public housing pay way above the cost of building their homes. Public housing comes with a 99-year lease. Whatever is paid above the cost of building these homes constitutes a tax incident. The pension fund is also another form of taxation. It is estimated that about 80%, all of whom fall outside of the wealthy group, will not see their pensions payouts other than a measly few hundred dollars a month.

    Healthcare is not borne by the state. There is a state-managed healthcare fund but the majority of payments are borne by the citizens themselves as the coverage is rather abysmal. Further, it takes a few months to be able to obtain an appointment with a specialist from one of the state-managed hospitals.

    Singapore is a fascist state governed by a fascist political helmed by a fascist in Lee Kuan Yew.

    Comment by PoopPo — July 20, 2011 @ 7:06 am

  64. As a Singaporean, I must emphatically state that Kiwis should categorically reject any attempt from right wing parties to emulate Singapore’s state capitalist system. Such a system – even if it takes decades – will eventually turn authoritarian as all levers of power – economic, societal and political – become concentrated into the hands of the state. Corruption becomes inevitable. Enslavement via the promise of material well being and possessions are far more effective than chains fashioned from the strongest steel.

    Comment by DetachedObserver — July 20, 2011 @ 11:04 am

  65. #63: Lee Kuan Yew retired a few years back, and his son Lee Hsien Loong, the current PM of Singapore, is more moderate, but only just (although he was interviewed in Inside Job as a ‘witness’ rather than a ‘defendant’). Also, there’s still not much freedom of the press either, although it hasn’t stopped the likes of Singaporean blogger Mrbrown from challenging a few taboos. And funnily enough, for all Singapore’s corporate wealth, it’s still not all that big on entrepreneurialism – with the possible exception of Creative Labs, whose founder dissed the “no U-turn syndrome”.

    Who here has seen the comedy films “I Not Stupid” and “Just Follow Law”?

    #64: “Enslavement via the promise of material well being and possessions are far more effective than chains fashioned from the strongest steel.”
    Otherwise known as the much-touted “golden straitjacket”.

    Comment by DeepRed — July 20, 2011 @ 10:57 pm


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