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May 29, 2011

Dissent of the day

Filed under: general idiocy — danylmc @ 8:46 am

Re an earlier post, a friend emails:

I’ve just read your very long post about Slutwalk and the even longer comments thread where a bunch of mostly guys spend Saturday night debating issues about gender and consent all of which convinces me that Slutwalk is a brilliant success.

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  1. Haha I have been coming around to the same conclusion. By the way I read your comments on Lady Garden and I don’t think you were being a dick, you were trying to engage, explain your opinion (which is shared by a large portion of the public) and all you got was a lot of insults and people claiming you thought women deserved to be raped. That kind of reactionary response pisses me off about the activist scene.

    Comment by Squirrel — May 29, 2011 @ 9:18 am

  2. I can’t help compare my friend’s email (who is, admittedly, a law lecturer) that undermined my argument and kinda made me look like a chump in one brief sentence, with the clowns at the Lady Garden who just scream, ‘You don’t understand and I can’t be bothered explaining anything,’ over and over again.

    Comment by danylmc — May 29, 2011 @ 11:05 am

  3. I propose a “slobwalk” for guys, protesting the fact that we have to groom ourselves and wear clean attire to work every day. I demand the right to wear stubbies and a dirty old T shirt everywhere and nobody has the right to judge me!

    Comment by ropata — May 29, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

  4. I think we all need friends like that, who can turn our perspective 180 degrees in a single sentence.

    Comment by Ataahua — May 29, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

  5. May they be rained on for all eternity by unholy Mugwump ectojisim

    Comment by Old Bull Lee — May 29, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

  6. Isn’t a slut walk just as likely to feed the very beast it hopes to satirize? Take Toronto where all this started, its a city with 6% Muslims and already considerable concerns about Muslim rapes.. does a slut walk feed that misogynist view of “sluts”? And around the Western world we go and find slutwalks preaching to the 98% of the converted.. but what about that other tiny percent whose culture sees them as affirmation of their opinions of Western women?

    JC

    Comment by JC — May 29, 2011 @ 2:59 pm

  7. Aaah look, it’s JC, with an exemplary example of mixing concern-trolling with a healthy slice of complete and utter bullshit he’s just made up off the top of his head.

    Yes, all those muslim rapes in Toronto. Muslims, raping, pillaging, as they are wont to do.

    Comment by Hobbes — May 29, 2011 @ 4:15 pm

  8. “Yes, all those muslim rapes in Toronto. Muslims, raping, pillaging, as they are wont to do.”

    Indeed. Type in Muslim rape Toronto into Google and you will get 6 million returns covering 5 Muslim youths following 2 girls back to their hotel and the gang rape that followed, the Australian Imam who justified Muslim rape on exposed “meat” and more than 50% of European rape as committed by immigrants.. a euphemism for Muslims..

    Its an issue in the Western world which revolves around a clash of cultures. Following the Google pages you get experts and Muslim women saying that rather than “slutwalks”, it would be better to march in favour of men *not* raping. In NZ a slutwalk is simply lost on a population that simply doesnt rape, but meat and drink to a tiny number that do when it comes to justification of their crimes.

    The Toronto cop that started all this may have been clumsy.. but is there anyone here who hasn’t heard a mother say to a daughter “Where are you going (dressed like that)? Where are you going, who is with you, who is he? etc etc. Parents tend to live in a world of not what should be.. but what is when it comes to defense of their children.

    JC

    Comment by JC — May 29, 2011 @ 9:31 pm

  9. The first result for “muslim rape toronto’ is a blog called ‘mosquewatch’ which means you should probably just shut the fuck up right about now.

    Comment by Hobbes — May 29, 2011 @ 11:53 pm

  10. that Slutwalk is a brilliant success.

    A blog squabble over trolling etc sets the bar of success a bit low. I’m more inclined to think the films of Catherine Breillat have more to offer.

    Comment by NeilM — May 30, 2011 @ 1:59 am

  11. JC’s rather offensive stereotyping reminded me of the Muslamic Ray Guns video

    Comment by Newtown News — May 30, 2011 @ 11:47 am

  12. The first result for “muslim rape toronto’ is a blog called ‘mosquewatch’ which means you should probably just shut the fuck up right about now.

    Quite. The case JC refers to has been extensively covered on the usual websites. No other rapes or sexual assaults in Toronto seem to get a look in. It’s similar to the statistically-abusing “all rapes in Oslo in the last five years were committed by Muslims” meme (FWIW, the police report on which that was flimsily based didn’t include rapes where the identity of the attacker was known, didn’t refer to Muslims, found a high rate of sexual assaults by white men too, took no account of likelihood of reporting, etc. The blogger responsible for getting it rolling mixed up two different and incompatible datasets, etc– you get the picture).

    I am unnerved by the general creepiness this topic seems to unearth.

    Comment by Russell Brown — May 30, 2011 @ 3:20 pm

  13. Too right Russell. The whole ‘sometimes men just can’t control their urges’ thing really creeps me out. I’ve also spotted a few ‘There is never an excuse for rape but….’ comments, they’re far more disturbing than the usual ‘I’m not a racist but….’ line.

    Comment by Phil O — May 30, 2011 @ 4:06 pm

  14. “I am unnerved by the general creepiness this topic seems to unearth.”

    +1

    Comment by che tibby — May 30, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

  15. What that debate needed was a (no homo) group hug.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — May 30, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

  16. “What that debate needed was a (no homo) group hug.”

    It’s going on as you type, on the other thread. Without the group, though.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — May 30, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

  17. http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2497573.html … h/t Megan Wegan.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — May 30, 2011 @ 5:07 pm

  18. Phil, elaborate on the “The whole ‘sometimes men just can’t control their urges’ thing really creeps me out” thing?

    Presumably the person/people saying this are talking about the urge to have sex, not the urge to rape. Even if they’re not, I’m pretty sure that all sorts of people have all sorts of urges to do all sorts of fucken stupid and awful things, and sometimes they are unable to control those urges.

    The inference I’m taking from your remark is that you are implying that the author(s) of these remarks are meaning that if someone has an urge to rape, and they act on it, then we should shrug and say to the victim “oh well, sorry, but basically a completely unavoidable fact of life and and you can’t really blame the dude”.

    Which is pretty fucking disingenuous and smug and unhelpful.

    Comment by Progger — May 31, 2011 @ 12:36 pm

  19. @Ben – two people emailed that comic to me over the whole ‘Slutwalk’ thread. My problem with it is that the blogosphere is a contentious place where if you make a comment on literally ANY subject a whole bunch of people will show up and argue with you and abuse you. Bloggers who post on feminist issues seem to think they’re being singled out for abuse because they’re challenging the patriarchy, or whatever, and dismiss any robust criticism as ‘mansplaining’, but criticism and debate is just business as usual no matter what the subject under discussion.

    Comment by danylmc — May 31, 2011 @ 12:52 pm

  20. Danyl, I don’t disagree that that happens. But it also does seem a rather Godwin like subject, goes that way so often.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — June 3, 2011 @ 10:42 am


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