The Dim-Post

June 30, 2011

Dolchstoll

Filed under: climate change,psuedopolitics — danylmc @ 5:13 pm

Remember when Hone Harawira outraged Don Brash by comparing him to Adolf Hitler?

Mr Harawira stood by his previous comparison of Dr Brash to Hitler and said his politics were of denigration of Maori.

Dr Brash told the programme he felt that was offensive.

“I mean, in what sense am I like Hitler?

From an NZPA story on Harawira and Brash six weeks ago. Now here’s Brash speaking to Federated Farmers today:

Dr Brash says he is constantly regaled with horror stories of the “little Hitlers” who far too often seem to populate the lower levels of local and regional government.

He says says they throw their weight around and sometimes refuse to grant RMA consents on flimsy excuses.

Because, really, that’s what was objectionable about Hitler – he did sometimes refuse to grant consents on flimsy excuses. Like, when his General Staff wanted to divert resources into the conflict with Russia and away from the death camps exterminating Gypsies and Jews, Hitler would be all, ‘Nah. I don’t feel like it.’ Is that the attitude we want in our public servants?

There’s more:

Dr Brash also reiterated ACT’s desire to scrap the Emissions Trading Scheme and challenged the science behind global warming.

He says even if a case can be made that human activity is behind an increase in global temperatures, it is not obvious that this is necessarily a bad thing for the planet.

So we might change the chemical composition of the atmosphere of our planet? Eh – what’s the worst that could happen?

This child-like idiot ran our Central Bank for fourteen years.

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59 Comments »

  1. I liked the moronic, yet essential Singapore reference in the last sentence. Did you know my (ex) wife is from Singapore???

    Comment by Hobbes — June 30, 2011 @ 5:21 pm

  2. His last comment though is the best:

    He says human societies thrive in both Singapore and in Finland, even though average temperatures in both places could hardly be more different.

    With such a clear understanding of the issues at hand, he definitely is the right person to challenge the science behind global warming.
    Child-like idiot, indeed

    Comment by eszett — June 30, 2011 @ 5:26 pm

  3. Thank God he wasn’t entrusted with the task of cleaning test tubes.

    Comment by Adolf Fiinkensein — June 30, 2011 @ 5:31 pm

  4. Hey!

    Danyl also is in charge of VUW’s fusion reactor and consequent stockpile of enriched uranium. You don’t hear much about it because he’s so in with the MSM crowd …

    Comment by Grassed Up — June 30, 2011 @ 5:37 pm

  5. it is not obvious that this is necessarily a bad thing for the planet.

    Breaking News: The ACT leader is under fire today after he posted a message online, telling the planet: “Get raped”.

    Comment by sammy — June 30, 2011 @ 5:38 pm

  6. That’s not Dolchstoss, by any chance?

    Comment by Stephen Judd — June 30, 2011 @ 5:46 pm

  7. the Hitler references are equally idiotic whether by Harawira or by Brash.
    Brash must know that even the most pedantic jobsworth does not send people to death camps.
    Harawira must know that Brash is a neoliberal not a nazi. The distinction is actually quite important.
    God help us if this is going to be the level of debate in the election campaign.

    Comment by deemac — June 30, 2011 @ 5:47 pm

  8. Yes. I think Dollchoss is a kind of belgian chocolate I used to like.

    Comment by danylmc — June 30, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  9. Hate to be a kill-joy but he’s actually just showing his age. Little hitler was the british predecessor term for what is now a jobsworth. No implication of nazi politics at all.

    Comment by greg — June 30, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  10. it is not obvious that this is necessarily a bad thing for the planet.

    Its funny how these clowns think that economies run on interrelated transactions between individuals making rational economic decisions, but nature doesn’t have the same type of rational decision making based on interrelated transactions with climate and competitors.

    Also Singapore is hot, and Finland cold so Penguins will be OK, somehow!

    Comment by andy (the other one) — June 30, 2011 @ 5:55 pm

  11. Although when you hear that “Happy Feet” the penguin needs a permit to return to his/her home you do have to wonder about these jobsworths/ Little Hitlers
    And it is obvious you have not recently tried to build or renovate a building recently

    Comment by Raymond A Francis — June 30, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

  12. Happy feet can’t go home cause he may introduce outside infections that don’t survive ‘down there’!

    And it is obvious you have not recently tried to build or renovate a building recently

    Yeah I was really pissed off that the bloody Auckland Council would not let me build a Chicken Farm in Urban Auckland, Red F&*^en tape!!!!!11!!!

    Comment by andy (the other one) — June 30, 2011 @ 6:03 pm

  13. Harawira must know that Brash is a neoliberal not a nazi. The distinction is actually quite important.

    That’s true but not what Hone was talking about. Not defending the use of ‘Hitler’, but what he was saying that is that Brash was setting iwi up rhetorically as an internal scapegoat who are holding us all back.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — June 30, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  14. “And it is obvious you have not recently tried to build or renovate a building recently”

    Agreed. It was much better back when councils let individual builders and developers set their own conditions for construction. What could possibly go wrong?

    Comment by Grassed Up — June 30, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

  15. This child-like idiot ran our Central Bank for fourteen years.

    He apparently didn’t do a bad job but yes, what andy said. Earth is really big too, y’know, so…so the pollutions don’t matter.

    Comment by StephenR — June 30, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

  16. Brash’s stuff on the ETS isn’t the craziest in today’s nz media by a long stretch:

    http://bit.ly/kG5PbH

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — June 30, 2011 @ 6:36 pm

  17. Worth noting that the Hitler reference wasn’t just an off-the-cuff grumble (of the “jobsworth” kind Greg mentions above).

    It was a prepared line in his speech:

    http://www.act.org.nz/news/farming-vital-in-our-past-our-present-and-our-future

    So it’s obviously a deliberate attention-seeker. For the past few weeks, Hone’s been filling the media ‘bad boy quota’, ACT have disappeared post-coup, and Brash (or Perigo?) wanted the limelight back.

    Perhaps he could go on Dancing With The Stars?

    Comment by sammy — June 30, 2011 @ 6:36 pm

  18. He says even if a case can be made that human activity is behind an increase in global temperatures, it is not obvious that this is necessarily a bad thing for the planet.

    Ah yes, the last stronghold in the denier’s Fabian strategy.

    1. “The earth’s not warming [because I don't know what "significant" means],
    2. “OK, the last x number of years have been warm, but that’s part of this giant cycle some guy at micro Watts found [with not physical basis]”
    3. “OK, the earth’s warming but CO2 is a trace gas, it can’t explain the warming, have any of you geniuses looked the sun?”,
    4. “OK, fine, the earth is warming, and it’s our fault, but it’ll be fine. We’ll be able to grow pineapples in Wellington, and besides, it was warmer this one other time”

    Comment by david winter — June 30, 2011 @ 6:38 pm

  19. “This child-like idiot ran our Central Bank for fourteen years”

    He did a great job, especially in talking to all sections of the community without fear or favour or talking down to anyone or kissing butt. One of the best communicators I saw as a journalist. Banking (and explaining banking central and otherwise) is something he is very good at. Not so hot at politics.

    Comment by Tinakori — June 30, 2011 @ 6:43 pm

  20. Perhaps he could go on Dancing With The Stars?

    Nah, Police Ten7. [Graham Bell Voice] “This Criminal has connections In Wellington, Singapore and in Kiwifruit circles. Do not approach as he may change Parties at a whim and say “aaaahhhhhhhhhhh, eeeemmmmmm” repeatedly making any statement unintelligible also prone to making stupid comments to media to gain attention.”

    Comment by andy (the other one) — June 30, 2011 @ 6:46 pm

  21. You could argue these two situations aren’t comparable because Brash was reporting what somebody else had said to him, whereas Hone’s comparison of Brash to Hitler was all Hone’s own.

    Of course Brash chose to use this situation and this phrase to make a rhetorical point, so…

    Comment by Hugh — June 30, 2011 @ 6:48 pm

  22. Haha, pascal’s bookie, damn this is brilliant stuff

    Asked if he thinks the ETS is a con someone came up with, he replies: “I do think it is exactly like that.”

    It is part of a United Nations effort to move resources from developed to developing countries to grow them out of the poverty trap, he says. “It is about creating jobs to prevent anarchy.”

    So, a group of shadowy powerful people decided to make the ETS for job-creation? “Yes, but I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I don’t know where the round table was that devised this scheme, but I think the genesis was in a green movement somewhere.

    “I have to say the green movement has done a great job of getting into the hearts and minds of the international population. They have infiltrated everywhere.

    “Sadly, those of us who are at the base of a production system just got on and did our job, not understanding the dynamic that was filtering through the Western World.”

    Comment by Hobbes — June 30, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

  23. He worries that farmers are losing their individuality with a trend to making them conform to a set of ideals. He talks about “mind-managed clones” and the rise of corporate farms – “machines that spit out a product”. “That’s not what our forefathers fought for.

    WHAT. What DID they fight Maori for then?

    This isn’t the most illuminating thread ever but it’s important to vent your snide-reserves sometimes.

    Comment by StephenR — June 30, 2011 @ 6:56 pm

  24. farmers are losing their individuality with a trend to making them conform to a set of ideals

    For a supposedly intelligent man, he doesn’t understand that each farmer competes with the farm next door to provide, more, cheaper milk to Fonterrror and tries to minimise costs due to REDTAPE!!!!! regardless of external socialised costs [not bad people, just doing business]. Fonterror is a monopoly forcing a set of ideals… The Race to the bottom applies for our farmers as much as it does for the average worker. were all screwed….

    Comment by andy (the other one) — June 30, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

  25. Oh Pascal’s Bookie, that article is classic! Big ups to the author, Jon Morgan, for not mocking Nicolson as he wrote, but still, you know, mocking him. Very deadpan.

    Comment by DT — June 30, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  26. Heh – Godwinned by his own petard.

    Comment by Adze — June 30, 2011 @ 7:44 pm

  27. Jon Morgan appears to be describing not a farming lobbyist, but rather a listener of Alex Jones.

    Comment by DeepRed — June 30, 2011 @ 7:53 pm

  28. “it is not obvious that this is necessarily a bad thing for the planet.”

    He may have a point. It’s just a bad thing for all the life forms living on it.

    Comment by Jo — June 30, 2011 @ 8:42 pm

  29. Brash must know that even the most pedantic jobsworth does not send people to death camps.

    Hmmm, Eichmann, perhaps?

    Comment by Rhinocrates — June 30, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

  30. the Hitler references are equally idiotic whether by Harawira or by Brash.

    Harawira has run community development trusts (relatively successful ones, from what I’ve heard). Brash ran the entire economy (crashing it through high unemployment and low growth for well over a decade).

    Comment by George D — June 30, 2011 @ 9:08 pm

  31. I am starting to like Don Brash.

    He reminds me, irresistibly, of Basil Fawlty.

    Who needs John Cleese?

    Comment by peterlepaysan — June 30, 2011 @ 9:16 pm

  32. Wow! I gotta admit, even Don Brash gets pipped in the loony stakes (racing at Ellerslie at 4:10pm) by Fed Farmers head Don Nicholson.

    I especially liked how Don N railed against “the impediments of privilege” – you know, the bucket loads of cash his parents generation shovelled into his pockets in the form of subsidies. Apparently, that’s a bad thing. So…. can we have our cash back now please Don? Or maybe he can share some of those ‘impediments’ round?

    Must be a full moon.

    Oh, and ya have to love the way Don N just fully upped and begged for a sweet ‘impediment of privilege’ as a backbench MP for a party. Any party, just not one with them darn greenies running their global conspiracies….

    Comment by bob — June 30, 2011 @ 9:43 pm

  33. Brash ran the entire economy (crashing it through high unemployment and low growth for well over a decade).

    http://rbnz.govt.nz/keygraphs/Fig1b.html

    See where inflation falls from 19% to 2% in the space of a few short years? That’s what happens when you depoliticise monetary policy and bring in a competent Governor.

    Comment by Phil — June 30, 2011 @ 10:28 pm

  34. Its interesting how those who don’t like the consequences of the ets also (coincidentally of course) don’t agree with the science of climate change.

    Comment by Swan — June 30, 2011 @ 10:58 pm

  35. Phil, see that bit where unemployment rockets from 3-4% to 12%? http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/discussion-papers/current-recession/figure1.gif

    It’s easy to restrict the money supply if you’re applying extreme deflationary pressures to the economy. It was Dr Brash’s stated policy to maintain unemployment at around 7% of the labour force. Seriously, I am not making this up. If unemployment went down he would crank interest rates up until unemployment went back up again.

    Moderate inflation only hurts those who intend to hold onto non-productive capital (people with lots of money in the bank). For the rest of us it’s fine. Even a moderate wage-price spiral doesn’t hurt that much. Push down inflation too much and you raise the cost of money by increasing interest rates far above what they need to be, put a huge number out of work and damage productive labour (and fuck with people’s lives a whole bunch, but that’s beside the point for people like Dr Brash). You also lessen the cost of accumulating non-productive capital, weakening the productive sector.

    Of course, this is what happened. Because a man who compares regulation to genocidal labour camps ran the central bank. He also ran the “centre-right” party in New Zealand for a while.

    All of which reminds me that I haven’t finished the Brash biography. It’s interesting, so far…

    Comment by George D — July 1, 2011 @ 12:35 am

  36. And it is obvious you have not recently tried to build or renovate a building recently”

    Agreed. It was much better back when councils let individual builders and developers set their own conditions for construction. What could possibly go wrong?

    Leaky homes scandal anyone? Happened under a council regulated system despite what some people claim. 100 years back in a near unregulated Auckland they built houses that are still sound and standing today and are highly valued….and no screeds of regulatory bullshit required,

    As for Brash’s comments…oh get a life people…..Little Hitlers” is an old Kiwi label for the busybody bureaucracy that anyone who’s tried to build a deck or do nearly anything on their own land in the last 20 years has run into thanks to the RMA etc.The difference between this and Hones use of it as a direct insult towards Brash personally is massive in context and you all know it.

    Comment by James — July 1, 2011 @ 2:15 am

  37. “See where inflation falls from 19% to 2% in the space of a few short years?”

    LOL. What happened is they changed the make up of govt measured inflation. Using 1990 make of inflation now in 2011 the US inflation is running at 10.5% pa for eg.

    Govt measured inflation is always political.

    Comment by Simon — July 1, 2011 @ 8:36 am

  38. weeeeelll… brash isn’t actually saying what he thinks. he’s saying what he’s paid to think by ACT-party funders.

    so, he’s more a child-like prostitute than idiot.

    Comment by che tibby — July 1, 2011 @ 8:53 am

  39. “Leaky homes scandal anyone? Happened under a council regulated system despite what some people claim.”

    Thanks for that wonderful insight James. The point is though, significant deregulation did occur, relatively speaking. Untreated timber was allowed to be used, and non-standard designs became a lot easier to use.

    Comment by swan — July 1, 2011 @ 9:22 am

  40. James: “Leaky homes scandal anyone? Happened under a council regulated system despite what some people claim.”

    Yes – there still was council regulation. But of what? Take a look at the role of the Building Research Association of New Zealand and the change to allow architects/designers to specify a building was to be weathertight without detailed drawings and then come back and talk.

    “100 years back in a near unregulated Auckland they built houses that are still sound and standing today and are highly valued….and no screeds of regulatory bullshit required.”

    You do know about observer bias, yes? The fact that only the sound, well-made houses are around today … while the crappy, badly-made ones have long since been torn down? Thought not.

    Comment by Grassed Up — July 1, 2011 @ 9:45 am

  41. Greg: Little hitler was the british predecessor term for what is now a jobsworth. No implication of nazi politics at all.

    That would be a great argument if the word “hitler” had no connotation with Nazism.

    Comment by Richard — July 1, 2011 @ 10:21 am

  42. You do know about observer bias, yes?

    James as heard of Atlas, vaguely, but has he heard of Procrustes?

    Comment by Rhinocrates — July 1, 2011 @ 10:47 am

  43. @ Andy. They shot down my application for a mushroom farm in Grey Lynn too. Damnit! Doing better with the permit for massive carpark on the waterfront though, next to Britomart (yes, that’s right, our largest public transport hub) :)

    Comment by Amy — July 1, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  44. Yes. I think Dollchoss is a kind of belgian chocolate I used to like.

    Danyl, I think you mean Anschluß, that purest, creamiest of teutonic confections.
    I always loved their catchphrase ‘Ein Volk, ein Land, eine Schokolade’.

    Comment by Gregor W — July 1, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

  45. Danyl, I think you mean Anschluß, that purest, creamiest of teutonic confections.
    I always loved their catchphrase ‘Ein Volk, ein Land, eine Schokolade’.

    Ah Austrians. Germans for all purposes except Holocaust denial.

    Comment by TerryB — July 1, 2011 @ 9:21 pm

  46. @Amy: And to add insult to injury, a resource consent application for a Minuteman-III ICBM silo in Warkworth got turned down recently. It would have single-handedly solved NZ’s defence budget issues as well as restore US defence ties. Bloody peaceniks.

    Comment by DeepRed — July 1, 2011 @ 9:44 pm

  47. James the Resource Management Act was not concocted from thin air. It was the result of the amalgamation of a lot of acts all of which required consents. It introduced a one stop shop system. The problem with that is?

    Comment by Andrew R — July 2, 2011 @ 2:19 pm

  48. ….is that its fucked a lot of people over and violates heir rights to their own property.People have been had up for all sorts of ridiculous things by this piece of fascism.Just what does it have to do with Governments legit role of individual rights protection? Nothing.

    Comment by James — July 2, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

  49. “violates heir rights…”

    It does no such thing. You can still inherit, which is just as well for you Jimbo, as you’re going to struggle mighty hard to get by on your wits.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — July 2, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

  50. That was a typo Guy….it should have said “their” rights…and the RMA most certainly does violate them.It fits the definition of Fascism to a tee…because that’s what it is.

    Comment by James — July 2, 2011 @ 5:02 pm

  51. Coz the universe told me so.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — July 2, 2011 @ 5:15 pm

  52. “It fits the definition of Fascism to a tee…because that’s what it is.”

    James either doesn’t understand what “definition” means, or is simply unable to apply a definition to the facts.

    “The nature of ‘fascism’ has been hotly contested by scholars since the term was first coined by Mussolini in 1919. However, for the first time since Italian fascism appeared there is now a significant degree of consensus amongst scholars about how to approach the generic term, namely as a revolutionary form of ultra-nationalism. Seen from this perspective, all forms of fascism have three common features: anticonservatism, a myth of ethnic or national renewal and a conception of a nation in crisis.”

    http://books.google.com/books?id=2SlXXndbbCEC&dq

    Which parallel universe are you channeling when it tellls you the RMA is consistent with this, James?

    Comment by Grassed Up — July 2, 2011 @ 5:17 pm

  53. So does “little Hitler” trigger Godwin’s Law?

    Comment by Owen — July 2, 2011 @ 7:17 pm

  54. Owen, I reckon it would only trigger Godwin’s Rule.

    L

    Comment by Lew — July 2, 2011 @ 11:19 pm

  55. @Grassed Up

    I would think that any real fascist would consider the RMA as symptom of the decadence of a nation for which fascism would be the remedy.

    Rather than wasting my time on the puerile James (he has been amusing, but ultimately he fails the Turing Test – I’ve seen better from even the most primitive chatbot app on my iPod), I wonder if Winston Peters therefore constitutes the best representative of incipient fascism in New Zealand according to the criteria given.

    Comment by Rhinocrates — July 3, 2011 @ 11:34 pm

  56. … or Pope Brian the First.

    Comment by Rhinocrates — July 3, 2011 @ 11:37 pm

  57. Or Kyle the Clown.

    Comment by DeepRed — July 4, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  58. If fascism comes to New Zealand, it will be wrapped in a swandry and carrying a tasteless pale ale.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — July 4, 2011 @ 2:23 pm

  59. George D @ 35 “Moderate inflation only hurts those who intend to hold onto non-productive capital (people with lots of money in the bank).”
    But it also benefits those who intend to hold onto non-productive capital such as houses and gold.
    So that’s why NZers don’t accumulate savings, instead investing in property with money borrowed from the offshore, watching inflation erode the debt relative to their wages & asset values. Until the capital gains stop and/or the overseas want their money back, of course.

    George, what are your views on fiscal stimuli? Such as Japan has been trying for a while? The USA? Greece?

    Simon @ 37 has a point: we all know there is inflation, we can feel it when we buy milk and petrol and pay our rates. Yet we are told it is under control. Still, I got a giant tele at a cool price, just in time for the world cup, perhaps overlords are right and inflation IS undercontrol. You can eat tvs, right? Still, love that world cup: fiscal stimulus, indeed!

    Pascal’s bookie @ 16 I loved reading that piece about a genuine, bona fide, free-market lover… if you overlook the bit where he reached into the pockets of taxpayers so that farmers, too, could watch porn at lightening speed.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — July 4, 2011 @ 2:28 pm


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