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September 26, 2011

Shades of the CGT debate

Filed under: drugs,Politics — danylmc @ 10:48 am

Key on decriminalisation:

“Go and ask the police officers, go and ask the parents in New Zealand whether they want their 18-year-old child to be smoking a joint before they head off to school,” he told TVNZ’s Breakfast programme.

This PM is not good on his feet. If his party hasn’t focused-grouped and pre-planned talking points on an issue, Key reverts to inane gibberish. Are children drinking bottles of whiskey before they head off to school? If so, is that an issue for parents, or a reason for the state to spend a hundred million dollars a year prohibiting the sale of whiskey?

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22 Comments »

  1. If I go and ask said police officers and parents if they want their 18y/o “child” drinking a fifth of scotch before they head off to school will it get Glenfiddich banned?

    Comment by garethw — September 26, 2011 @ 10:56 am

  2. maybe it was focus-grouped and the focus groups said inane gibberish was what they wanted

    Comment by Kahikatea — September 26, 2011 @ 10:57 am

  3. Woh, now that you’ve updated your post re whiskey my first comment is kinda redundant huh…

    Comment by garethw — September 26, 2011 @ 10:59 am

  4. But Key said police took a responsible view towards enforcing the law.

    “They don’t necessarily arrest everybody on Saturday night they catch with marijuana, the issue is whether that person is trading that drug, or any other drug and any other factors.”

    So Key is saying that we already have de-facto decriminalisation for personal use, but for legislation to catch up with reality would be a step in the wrong direction?

    Comment by NN — September 26, 2011 @ 11:03 am

  5. anyway, people have to make up their minds. If they don’t want inane gibberish from their prime minister, what sort of gibberish do they want?

    Comment by Kahikatea — September 26, 2011 @ 11:06 am

  6. Wasn’t there something in the debate around the banning of the synthetic pot subsitutes about “children” buying the pre-rolled joints from dairies on the way to school?

    Comment by James Stephenson — September 26, 2011 @ 11:09 am

  7. I suspect Key’s “inane gibberish” aligns fairly well with what most Kiwis ‘think’ (word used with significant reservations).

    Comment by Steve Withers — September 26, 2011 @ 11:13 am

  8. ^^^ I think the word Kiwis needs to be “Kiwis”.

    There is a growing divide between forward thinking NZ-ers and people with really constrained views on issues such as these.

    Comment by nw — September 26, 2011 @ 11:37 am

  9. Not nice to malign the perfectly sensible language of gibbons. Some of my best friends are gibbons and speak intelligent gibberish. So if Mr Key is able to speak gibberish, he must be very clever but the inanity part is his responsibility.

    Comment by ianmac — September 26, 2011 @ 11:40 am

  10. “They don’t necessarily arrest everybody on Saturday night they catch with marijuana, the issue is whether that person is trading that drug, or any other drug and any other factors.”

    following that reasoning, why don’t we just make everything illegal, and let the police use their judgement whether to arrest people or not. After all, if you’re not doing anything wrong you wouldn’t have anything to fear from a that, eh?

    Comment by Kahikatea — September 26, 2011 @ 11:48 am

  11. “following that reasoning, why don’t we just make everything illegal, and let the police use their judgement whether to arrest people or not. After all, if you’re not doing anything wrong you wouldn’t have anything to fear from a that, eh?”

    Well – the Government’s already planning to authorise the use of hidden cameras to spy on anyone, anywhere … leaving it to the judgement of the police when that is necessary. So your proposal would be a logical next step.

    Comment by Grassed Up — September 26, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  12. When I was 18 we waited til lunchtime before drinking (beer or wine, not whiskey) and/or smoking pot. I’m sure my parents and local constabulary wouldn’t have approved but who can honestly say they actually care what their parents or cops think about things they will never know?

    Comment by gazzaj — September 26, 2011 @ 12:53 pm

  13. who can honestly say they actually care what their parents or cops think about things they will never know?

    I can assure you that your parents do know. They’re smarter than you think.

    Comment by Phil — September 26, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  14. I can assure you that your parents do know. They’re smarter than you think.

    You’re right of course… pretty sure some of the teachers knew as well. But it’s hard for them to tell you off when they’re drinking at lunchtime in the same pub!

    Comment by gazzaj — September 26, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

  15. when I was 17 some of my friends did occasionally drink a bottle of whiskey/vodka before school. They generally got kicked out of class/left at about 10 am. I’d say the problem was not with their parents but with them being restless young men who really didn’t want to be at shcool anymore. And the weird culture we have around drinking in Nz didn’t help….sometimes they smoked joints at school too but.

    Comment by Amy — September 26, 2011 @ 2:43 pm

  16. they never got arrested for either that I can remember. Presumably because they were white kids from middle class families at a wealthy school. And that, I think is one of the biggest issues about leaving the enforcement of marijuana laws up to the police’s discretion – they’re disproportionately likely to apply them harshly to low income Maori and Pasifika youth.

    Comment by Amy — September 26, 2011 @ 2:44 pm

  17. they’re disproportionately likely to apply them harshly to low income Maori and Pasifika youth.

    Ah, it’s a fine line between a ride in the back of a police car and a ride to Waitangi in John Key’s limo.

    If caught with a joint, shout “Go the Warriors!” and get automatic PM-approved diversion (for one week only).

    Comment by sammy — September 26, 2011 @ 3:12 pm

  18. This issue could quite simply addressed by the disbursement of Pot Stamps by WINZ.

    Then we wouldn’t have to face the chilling prospect of Yoof wasting all their dope money on food.

    Comment by Gregor W — September 26, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  19. Gregor W wrote: “This issue could quite simply addressed by the disbursement of Pot Stamps by WINZ. Then we wouldn’t have to face the chilling prospect of Yoof wasting all their dope money on food.”

    or wasting their food money on rent.

    Comment by Kahikatea — September 26, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

  20. Indeed!

    Who needs rent when you can live in the cardboard carton your food comes in.

    Plenty of that pre fab housing available from behind Pak ‘N Save.

    Comment by Gregor W — September 26, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

  21. On Campbell Live tonight a text in poll had 72% for Yes = Decriminalise.

    Comment by ianmac — September 26, 2011 @ 8:31 pm

  22. Key reverts to inane gibberish

    And again today – “coal mine”? You what?

    I reckon he really meant to say “gold mine”, which makes some kind of sense, but as usual the words took the scenic route from brain to tongue.

    Comment by sammy — September 27, 2011 @ 12:40 pm


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