The Dim-Post

August 19, 2012

And I’ve STILL got it

Filed under: blogging — danylmc @ 1:14 pm

DPF kindly emailed me a link to this comment I made on his blog back in 2006.

Now that I’ve seen Key perform in public a couple of times I think its a mistake for Nat-party supporters to hitch their dreams to his star. Key is a classic technocrat, and while he seems very very intelligent he is not intellectual or especially charismatic. I don’t think he’s going to be the panacea people expect.

History will vindicate me.

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26 Comments »

  1. Like history will vindicate John Ansell when ACT gets 40% in the next election?

    Comment by eszett — August 19, 2012 @ 1:19 pm

  2. Mencken: “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the … public.”

    A lot of people were right to label him a snakeoil salesman. The mistake we made was to forget how profitable the snakeoil industry is.

    Comment by pete — August 19, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  3. nice to know dpf das the time to trawl through the gutters of his comments archives looking for gotchas. not like he has anything important to do until National are back in opposition…

    Comment by nommopilot — August 19, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  4. If Key really does have charisma then he has wasted it by being a gutless kowtower to Progressive political ideas when he could have used his public approval capital to change things.

    A weak politically ignorant loser.

    One thing about charisma, it doesn’t last.

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 19, 2012 @ 1:43 pm

  5. Aw, a troll! Isn’t it just adorable?

    Comment by pete — August 19, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  6. Troll definition-

    Normally–

    (a) someone insincere in their beliefs who writes messages on discussion forums primarily designed to provoke outrage

    Among Progressives-

    (a) anyone whom they may might disagree with and who presents criticisms they find unanswerable.

    (b) anyone who openly and commonly challenges the basic untruths that underpin Progressive political beliefs

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 19, 2012 @ 1:58 pm

  7. Pete (#2) has it.

    Key is popular, precisely because he is “one of us”.

    Intellectual mediocrity is fine, we’re not up ourselves like those countries who insist on getting smarter. Why invest and invent when you can sell?

    Fuck Nobel prizes, go the All Blacks!

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 19, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

  8. DPF kindly emailed me a link to this comment I made on his blog back in 2006.

    Don’t worry Danyl, you can easily trump him soon. Just bookmark all his previous posts on Winston Peters.

    (“A reliable coalition partner … senior statesman … never convicted … this can work … – DPF, 2014).

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 19, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  9. Still a totally correct summation however

    Comment by Vincristine — August 19, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  10. Danyl left off the last line, which is what I was mainly focused on – “I’m starting to think Judith Collins is gonna be the Nat to watch.”

    And it is nice for nommopilot to be worried about my time management. As it happens I was searching for stories involving Mark Blackham, and Danyl’s quote was on the appropriate post – so it was coincidence. And I e-mailed him the comment, I did not blog it.

    Comment by dpf — August 19, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

  11. Danyl left off the last line, which is what I was mainly focused on – “I’m starting to think Judith Collins is gonna be the Nat to watch.”

    I left that out because it is still vaguely accurate.

    Comment by danylmc — August 19, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  12. I forget where I heard it (might have been someone on Citizen A, I’m not sure), but I do agree with the person that said that this government will be remembered for what it didn’t do and what it failed to do, rather than what it did achieve.

    Comment by Vagabundo — August 19, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  13. Public speaking and media training worked rather well then, didn’t it?

    Comment by George D — August 19, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

  14. This government will be remembered for what it ransacked.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — August 19, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  15. “I’m starting to think Judith Collins is gonna be the Nat to watch.”

    Funnily enough I think this too. She is a polarising force, the yin to Key’s yang. While she may play well with National’s heartland, she is a liability with centre and more likely to lose the party votes than win them.

    Comment by billbennettnz — August 20, 2012 @ 9:06 am

  16. @ pete

    Redbaiter has a point (sort of). He appears to sincerely believe what he says so he’s more reactionary (regressive maybe?) than troll.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 20, 2012 @ 10:25 am

  17. @Gregor W

    As a progressive, I like to assume the best about people. I’d prefer to think that he’s raised trolling to the level of performance art, because the alternative is so sad.

    Comment by pete — August 20, 2012 @ 10:32 am

  18. he’s raised trolling to the level of performance art

    Scaramouche? The alternative being more of a Morlock that I can use to frighten my children into compliance.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 20, 2012 @ 10:43 am

  19. Funnily enough I think this too. She is a polarising force, the yin to Key’s yang.
    And way back when Palmer became Lange’s deputy, Tom Scott expressed a preference for Ann Hercus as providing the “vinegar to Lange’s oil”.
    You pundits and your turns of phrase.

    Comment by Joe W — August 20, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  20. I take it giving a speech from a balcony to the adoring masses wasn’t meant to be ironic.

    Comment by NeilM — August 20, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  21. if Redbaiter is not a troll, does that mean he chose his nom de plume ironically? or is it not a nom de plume at all, but in fact the name his parents gave him?

    Comment by kahikatea — August 20, 2012 @ 2:10 pm

  22. Are you proposing that as well as Mr & Mrs B, there was at one point young Master Baiter?

    Comment by Gregor W — August 20, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

  23. @ Joe W – Hercus was perhaps more the turps to Lange’s oil. I vaguely recall a certain Police Minister lurching (and slurring?) off a plane from the Chathams prior to resignation…

    @ danyl – history will definitely vindicate you! Key is undoubtedly shrewd and cunning, but has had little impact on the economy or political structure of NZ so far. He has dithered in the face of crisis. Unlike Roger Douglas & Richard Prebble, who shifted NZ from Keynesian capitalism to free market capitalism. Love em or hate em, they had an impact. Whereas Key seems content to wander among the poppies of No Man’s Land, getting us shelled by both sides artillery…

    If Key fed his base supporters, and pushed harder with free market reforms, he would get booted out of office faster. By trying to slither a few asset sales and public servant cuts under the threshold of public mass reaction, Key exposes our nation to a decade or more of shrinking employment, consequent expanding welfare, and missed opportunities to get NZ on a sustainable economic – and hence social – future. Which is why history wil pour scorn and contempt on Key.

    As for Collins – sure, she is one to watch, in the same way you would watch a pickpocket in a wallet convention… ;) Ask Nick Smith if he looks for her shadow in his rear-view mirrors.

    Comment by bob — August 20, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  24. Bob, Judith Collins is not visible in mirrors (rear-view or otherwise)

    Comment by kahikatea — August 20, 2012 @ 10:08 pm

  25. It was the best of governments, it was the worst of governments. In other words, it was like every government.

    Comment by David from Chch — August 21, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  26. oops. forgot to say “apologies to Charles Dickens”. ;-)

    Comment by David from Chch — August 21, 2012 @ 12:55 pm


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