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	<title>Comments on: Education Minister translated redux</title>
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		<title>By: Bryce Moore</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-80466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryce Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 05:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thinks this is a little bit of a red herring, because the Wikipedia page about the Gunning-Fog index makes no value judgements about the comprehensibility of the text; it refers only to the reading age one would theoretically need to understand it. There is no reference to an index of 18 being incomprehensible. The original text is far from incomprehensible, although it very cleary demonstrates that the minister is obfuscating or side-stepping the question being asked by the member. I understand the subject is very much a political hot potato in NZ at the moment, and it is therefore hardly suprising that the minister is taking this tack; it is something politicians are quite good at, especially ministers. Of course, there is always the opportunity for a cheap shot, and pollies constantly lay themselves open to this - it&#039;s something they accept as part of being elected to public office. 

For the information of the compiler of this text, the Gunning Fox calculator at http://gunning-fog-index.com/ rated all the half-dozen or so Hansard extracts I put through it at between 16 and 22. Though my standard of literacy is slightly above the average, I found none of the extracts incomprensible - boring as bat-shit, yes, but not incomprehensible. Actually, it just occurred to me to put some of the minister&#039;s answers through the same calculator and, suprisingly, none come near to rating 18. I don&#039;t have the time to rate them all. The highest rating passage was actually the Speaker&#039;s statement beginning with the words &quot;Order! If I am going to help members on this matter, they should be a little silent ...&quot;

What I did find surprising about this passage was the way in which the Speaker directed and guided the minister towards providing a succinct and informative answer; something that the minster was clearly not inclined to go. Most parliamentary presiding officers would stop at offering some anodyne statement like &quot;I am sure the minister is answering the question, though the member may not like the answer he is getting.&quot; I would hardly rate parliamentary question time as a golden opportunity for members to gain clear and concise information about government policy.

In summary, a nice try at a humourous rendition, and probably worth a bit of a chuckle, but perhaps the author might like to try something really clever next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thinks this is a little bit of a red herring, because the Wikipedia page about the Gunning-Fog index makes no value judgements about the comprehensibility of the text; it refers only to the reading age one would theoretically need to understand it. There is no reference to an index of 18 being incomprehensible. The original text is far from incomprehensible, although it very cleary demonstrates that the minister is obfuscating or side-stepping the question being asked by the member. I understand the subject is very much a political hot potato in NZ at the moment, and it is therefore hardly suprising that the minister is taking this tack; it is something politicians are quite good at, especially ministers. Of course, there is always the opportunity for a cheap shot, and pollies constantly lay themselves open to this &#8211; it&#8217;s something they accept as part of being elected to public office. </p>
<p>For the information of the compiler of this text, the Gunning Fox calculator at <a href="http://gunning-fog-index.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gunning-fog-index.com/</a> rated all the half-dozen or so Hansard extracts I put through it at between 16 and 22. Though my standard of literacy is slightly above the average, I found none of the extracts incomprensible &#8211; boring as bat-shit, yes, but not incomprehensible. Actually, it just occurred to me to put some of the minister&#8217;s answers through the same calculator and, suprisingly, none come near to rating 18. I don&#8217;t have the time to rate them all. The highest rating passage was actually the Speaker&#8217;s statement beginning with the words &#8220;Order! If I am going to help members on this matter, they should be a little silent &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What I did find surprising about this passage was the way in which the Speaker directed and guided the minister towards providing a succinct and informative answer; something that the minster was clearly not inclined to go. Most parliamentary presiding officers would stop at offering some anodyne statement like &#8220;I am sure the minister is answering the question, though the member may not like the answer he is getting.&#8221; I would hardly rate parliamentary question time as a golden opportunity for members to gain clear and concise information about government policy.</p>
<p>In summary, a nice try at a humourous rendition, and probably worth a bit of a chuckle, but perhaps the author might like to try something really clever next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Whitman</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-78314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Whitman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...its a policy mangle turned by Nat&#039;s beltway wonks. CERA &amp; Dpt Ed are the two mangle rollers. The real world sends its washing through &amp; Parata does the ironing (badly).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;its a policy mangle turned by Nat&#8217;s beltway wonks. CERA &amp; Dpt Ed are the two mangle rollers. The real world sends its washing through &amp; Parata does the ironing (badly).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Orr(leprachaunz)</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-78007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Orr(leprachaunz)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would be funny if it wasn&#039;t so tragic.  Someone should teach the Minister how to speak English.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be funny if it wasn&#8217;t so tragic.  Someone should teach the Minister how to speak English.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wilson</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-77845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Great, now I need to rewatch Mars Attacks

There was me thinking you&#039;d link to the scene where the machine translation device is screaming &quot;we come in peace, we come in peace&quot; (in translation of ak ak ak), as the martians lay waste to everything they can see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Great, now I need to rewatch Mars Attacks</p>
<p>There was me thinking you&#8217;d link to the scene where the machine translation device is screaming &#8220;we come in peace, we come in peace&#8221; (in translation of ak ak ak), as the martians lay waste to everything they can see.</p>
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		<title>By: xianmac</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-77827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xianmac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So pleased that during Parata&#039;s speech, you allowed her gasps for breath to be left in their pure form. Or maybe the extended AHHHHs might have needed a gasp for breath. Funny how the YES and YES were also left intact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So pleased that during Parata&#8217;s speech, you allowed her gasps for breath to be left in their pure form. Or maybe the extended AHHHHs might have needed a gasp for breath. Funny how the YES and YES were also left intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Alma Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alma Rae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is priceless stuff. I couldn&#039;t believe my ears when I heard this particular session, so it was an enormous treat to find that others too had been impressed.  Can anyone learn to speak such impenetrable gobbledygook, do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is priceless stuff. I couldn&#8217;t believe my ears when I heard this particular session, so it was an enormous treat to find that others too had been impressed.  Can anyone learn to speak such impenetrable gobbledygook, do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Behrens</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-77819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Behrens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great, now I need to rewatch Mars Attacks, ak ak ak ak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepS-IyKOLE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, now I need to rewatch Mars Attacks, ak ak ak ak <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepS-IyKOLE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepS-IyKOLE</a></p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick - someone mass-produce tastefully-designed hand-held AAARRGGGGGH!s for opposition and public gallery use.  The demand in the local government arena alone would be enormous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick &#8211; someone mass-produce tastefully-designed hand-held AAARRGGGGGH!s for opposition and public gallery use.  The demand in the local government arena alone would be enormous.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/education-minister-translated-redux/#comment-77808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol, what would this blog be like without the usual series of verbal insults being exchanged by FB and Wim?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, what would this blog be like without the usual series of verbal insults being exchanged by FB and Wim?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Flushing Blight, you just hit 18 on the Gunning-Fog index.  Diiiickhead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Flushing Blight, you just hit 18 on the Gunning-Fog index.  Diiiickhead.</p>
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