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		<title>By: Scintilla</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/come-at-the-king-you-best-not-miss-watch/#comment-78176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scintilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Labour really want to keep their mumblebum leader with all the charisma of a wet singlet and really don&#039;t want an articulate, feisty, experienced politician with balls.  Makes no sense to me. Unless Labour really DON&#039;T WANT to be in power any time before 2017. Can&#039;t handle the jandal over water rights?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Labour really want to keep their mumblebum leader with all the charisma of a wet singlet and really don&#8217;t want an articulate, feisty, experienced politician with balls.  Makes no sense to me. Unless Labour really DON&#8217;T WANT to be in power any time before 2017. Can&#8217;t handle the jandal over water rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@richdrich - you f*kn traitor how dare you suggest The Party has issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@richdrich &#8211; you f*kn traitor how dare you suggest The Party has issues.</p>
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		<title>By: richdrich</title>
		<link>http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/come-at-the-king-you-best-not-miss-watch/#comment-78142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richdrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basically the unwritten procedure of the Labour party is:
- party loses election
- incumbent leader resigns
- another white guy gets elected
- new leader draws salary and car for three years
- party loses election
... etc.

Challenging this process mid-term and suggesting that maybe the leader isn&#039;t working out isn&#039;t democracy, it&#039;s a disloyal coup and any MPs involved in this will be demoted, if not expelled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically the unwritten procedure of the Labour party is:<br />
- party loses election<br />
- incumbent leader resigns<br />
- another white guy gets elected<br />
- new leader draws salary and car for three years<br />
- party loses election<br />
&#8230; etc.</p>
<p>Challenging this process mid-term and suggesting that maybe the leader isn&#8217;t working out isn&#8217;t democracy, it&#8217;s a disloyal coup and any MPs involved in this will be demoted, if not expelled.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Demoting Cunliffe may not be a solution to the challenge he represents in and of itself, but it is probably a prerequisite to solving the challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demoting Cunliffe may not be a solution to the challenge he represents in and of itself, but it is probably a prerequisite to solving the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Didn’t you say that Goff was going to be Key’s nightmare? And then when Shearer was elected you were ecstatic with optimism? Forgive me if my faith in your Leader predictions/knowledge is low.&quot;

Come on now, issuing a different basic rule of politics every six months is a blogger&#039;s prerogative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Didn’t you say that Goff was going to be Key’s nightmare? And then when Shearer was elected you were ecstatic with optimism? Forgive me if my faith in your Leader predictions/knowledge is low.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on now, issuing a different basic rule of politics every six months is a blogger&#8217;s prerogative.</p>
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		<title>By: peterlepaysan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterlepaysan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cunliffe, and others, desire top LP job.

So what?

Come March 2013 things will have been sorted.

All the ranting/pontificating on various blogs will not alter that.

What is clear is that this conference has finally put the LP caucus in its place.

Hence the drama.

Roll on March 2013!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cunliffe, and others, desire top LP job.</p>
<p>So what?</p>
<p>Come March 2013 things will have been sorted.</p>
<p>All the ranting/pontificating on various blogs will not alter that.</p>
<p>What is clear is that this conference has finally put the LP caucus in its place.</p>
<p>Hence the drama.</p>
<p>Roll on March 2013!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 06:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s easy to forget that we had the same problem with National when Labour was in power.  No matter what Bill English did, and he did make an effort to appeal to a wide range of voters, he still couldn&#039;t seem to do anything right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to forget that we had the same problem with National when Labour was in power.  No matter what Bill English did, and he did make an effort to appeal to a wide range of voters, he still couldn&#8217;t seem to do anything right.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean that policy vacuum thingy that Labour have trouble with Neil?

As an observation I suspect half of Labours problem is that after a decade of rule by the Iron Lady and Cullie they are now left without senior members with initiative, beyond the one horse wonder bully boys &amp; girls like Mallard and King.  Goffs just ineffective as a strong leader.  So we have the modern NZ Labour party, a mad house of competing factions.

Succession planning anyone....Mike?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean that policy vacuum thingy that Labour have trouble with Neil?</p>
<p>As an observation I suspect half of Labours problem is that after a decade of rule by the Iron Lady and Cullie they are now left without senior members with initiative, beyond the one horse wonder bully boys &amp; girls like Mallard and King.  Goffs just ineffective as a strong leader.  So we have the modern NZ Labour party, a mad house of competing factions.</p>
<p>Succession planning anyone&#8230;.Mike?</p>
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		<title>By: NeilM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeilM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Was he meant to Lie?&lt;/i&gt;

dissimulate at least, there&#039;s a reason the main British political parties go through the Kabuki of a stalking horse.

@Chris Bull, the Greens have an easier time partly because their brand is clear and they can rally round &quot;save the planet&quot; rhetoric fairly easily. Labour have it lot harder with broader social equity issues because they&#039;re harder problems to deal with. If hey were easy then Clark and Cullen would have solved all our problems.

I still sense though that Labour, to get votes, is trying to convince the electorate that the problems are simple and have simple solutions which aren&#039;t being implemented because the Nats are evil adherents to neo-liberalism. Which I think is simplistic and hasn&#039;t got much traction with the electorate so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Was he meant to Lie?</i></p>
<p>dissimulate at least, there&#8217;s a reason the main British political parties go through the Kabuki of a stalking horse.</p>
<p>@Chris Bull, the Greens have an easier time partly because their brand is clear and they can rally round &#8220;save the planet&#8221; rhetoric fairly easily. Labour have it lot harder with broader social equity issues because they&#8217;re harder problems to deal with. If hey were easy then Clark and Cullen would have solved all our problems.</p>
<p>I still sense though that Labour, to get votes, is trying to convince the electorate that the problems are simple and have simple solutions which aren&#8217;t being implemented because the Nats are evil adherents to neo-liberalism. Which I think is simplistic and hasn&#8217;t got much traction with the electorate so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;19.He could at least said “I’m fully behind David Shearer” without mentioning February and then when pestered by Gower for a follow-up, reiterated the statement and made no further comment.&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s one I thought of, right off the top of my head without any media training whatsoever: &quot;The caucus are united behind David Shearer, and fully committed to winning the 2014 election.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>19.He could at least said “I’m fully behind David Shearer” without mentioning February and then when pestered by Gower for a follow-up, reiterated the statement and made no further comment.</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one I thought of, right off the top of my head without any media training whatsoever: &#8220;The caucus are united behind David Shearer, and fully committed to winning the 2014 election.&#8221;</p>
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