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December 2, 2012

Sealing the dick vote

Filed under: psuedopolitics — danylmc @ 9:50 am

John Tamihere is back in the Labour Party:

So can he get on with his fellow Labourites?

“Look, I don’t have to get on with these people. I’m joining the Labour Party. I’m not joining the ‘Women’s Party’, I’m not joining the ‘Union Party’, I’m not joining the ‘Gay Party’, I’m joining the Labour Party.

On the one hand, mainstream parties have to be broad churches and accommodate a wide range of views. On the other hand, you don’t see a lot of potential National candidates joining up because they hate farmers and the Auckland business community and want to sort them all out.

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37 Comments »

  1. He’s appealing to the large demographic on that side of the voter turnout – the hard working low income people – who think their problems will be solved by calling Paula Bennett a bloody fat girl. Because that’s what makes a difference in politics – name-calling.

    Comment by MeToo — December 2, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  2. The mind boggles as to why he would even want to join the gay womens union party at all. Surely a redneck like Tamihere should have gone with New Zealand First or even National, his offensiveness would fit in far better there.

    Comment by alex — December 2, 2012 @ 10:10 am

  3. “…you don’t see a lot of potential National candidates joining up because they hate farmers and the Auckland business community…”

    Well there was Winston. Which in itself raises an interesting parallel.

    And Gilbert Myles. And um…

    Comment by Rob — December 2, 2012 @ 10:24 am

  4. And on the third hand, a Labour Party with no place for blokey proletarians would really need to find another name for itself, so yes there’d better be a place for him.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — December 2, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  5. What Milt said. It would me to feel like I could take my vote home

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — December 2, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  6. The mind boggles as to why he would even want to join the gay womens union party at all. Surely a redneck like Tamihere should have gone with New Zealand First or even National,

    I take your point, but he seems to have genuinely left-wing economic views that wouldn’t fit within National at all. For a lot of matters, economics, welfare, education policy etc, he probably fits in pretty well with Labour. It’s just that he’s also a bigoted arsehole.

    Comment by steve — December 2, 2012 @ 12:05 pm

  7. Not all blokey proletarians are dicks. There could, hypothetically, be a labour party that had room for blokey proletarians but that still asked dicks like John Tamihere to try to stop being dicks.

    Comment by Tim — December 2, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  8. But Tamihere isn’t proletarian, in the sense of being a ‘worker’ unless you consider board meetings and dullard media commentary as equivalent to work requiring a strenuous effort. The man is more an atavistic luvvie.

    Comment by Percy — December 2, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  9. The next Labour Prime Minister back in the fold.

    Comment by OECD rank 22 kiwi — December 2, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

  10. Calm down people, he has just rejoined the party, he has yet to be nominated for or be successful in nomination for a crack at a seat. Some big hurdles for him yet, let alone getting the popular vote of the people.

    I am struggling to see why the party made it such a big deal for him to regain membership, they just guaranteed more negative air time. Just another in a long litany of PR disasters bought to you by the Labour Party.

    In other breaking news, some bloke also thinks Paula Bennett is fat, and the Labour is run by a ‘gaggle of gays’. Says so loudly enough, at the Thirsty Rooster in Glendene, to be overheard by another table but does not get quoted in the media. Will most likely vote for Winston1st in next election…..

    Comment by andy (the other one) — December 2, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  11. Well, now that you are ranked 4th in the NZ blogosphere, I am sure you will be able to act as a counterbalance.

    http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/november-12-nz-blogs-sitemeter-ranking/

    Congrats, BTW.

    Comment by eszett — December 2, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  12. Oh, and what Tim said re “blokey proletarians”. Yes, there should obviously be a place within Labour for a proletarian (or proletarian supporter if you prefer). But as for “blokey”, it depends what you mean. If we talking a working class guy who likes to drink a few pints of draught beer with his mates at the local while watching the rugby, then sure, no problem. If by “blokey” you specifically mean someone who thinks “the gays and front-bums have too much power and That’s What’s Wrong With This Country” then nah, Labour have nothing to gain by moving in that direction.

    That said, I think it’s important to remember that he has only been allowed back to the party. Scott Yorke has this take on it: http://www.imperatorfish.com/2012/12/what-john-tamiheres-return-means.html?spref=tw

    Not convinced, though.

    Comment by steve — December 2, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  13. John Tamihere is never going to change. He will never understand that the issue of gay marriage is important to a lot of people from all sectors of society and that he shouldn’t express his bigoted opinion because, as a politician, he has the obligation to base his political opinions on facts and not on his personal opinions. And he will always be of the opinion that gays have too much power in this country, forgetting for example, that farmers (typically not gay) make up three percent of the working population but 34 percent of the top echelon of councils, not to mention the main fact, which is that gay people obviously do not have too much power, otherwise they would legally be able to get married already.

    Comment by Dan — December 2, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

  14. as a politician, he has the obligation to base his political opinions on facts

    You’re going to be disappointed by a LOT of politicians.

    Comment by steve — December 2, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  15. JT may not have a chance of getting the Labour nomination for Waitakere, but he will cause maximum damage to the party trying.

    Comment by MeToo — December 2, 2012 @ 2:20 pm

  16. In tomorrow’s regular round of interviews, David Shearer will be asked about John Tamihere.

    The incoherent defends the unrepentant. What could possibly go wrong?

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — December 2, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  17. Well said Sammy.

    Comment by Lee C — December 2, 2012 @ 2:49 pm

  18. Godmmit, Tamihere’s not a prole; he’s a not very bright would-be-technocrat who couldn’t cut it in the Thorndon Bubble. His troglodytic attitude towards women has more to do with his resentment towards those women (his intellectual, social, and party superiors) who recognised him for the liability he is and always will be. Rumour has it that his office before he got shit-canned was like a frat dorm. He is a pariah.
    There are plenty of actual working class people – front bums, fags, the lot of them, who have no issue with difference.

    Comment by Percy — December 2, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

  19. > He will never understand that the issue of gay marriage is important to a lot of people

    That’s irrelevant because gay marriage is a conscience vote.Oother Labour Party members (and MPs) oppose gay marriage so he is hardly alone. Surely Labour is big enough that it can handle oposing views?

    Comment by Ross — December 2, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  20. ‘That’s irrelevant because gay marriage is a conscience vote.’ The senior members of most parties (Hon John Banks and Hon Peter Dunne excepted, because, you know, they’re creeps, and NZ First for more complexly craven excuses) recognise that most people actually don’t care who marries whom. National doesn’t care because capital is gender free.
    It has to be a consicence vote because those grubby craven churnalists who drive the political agenda find public policy is too complex for their tiny polytech-trained brains, but they love something emotive like gay marriage: they can understand the ‘Shortland Street’ drama of it all.
    Tamihere has no appreciable conscience and his misogyny should have no place in any 21st century political party. Not even NZ First.

    Comment by Percy — December 2, 2012 @ 7:25 pm

  21. Percy, Can I say from the bottom of my bowels that you are indeed a craven trolling dick.

    Comment by phil — December 2, 2012 @ 10:01 pm

  22. Jah bless Phil. And bless your craven bowels.

    Comment by Percy — December 2, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

  23. If Mallard and Curran and others can be in the Labour caucus I can’t see why Tamihere can’t be a party member. It’s not as though the current Labour Party is an exemplar of civilised and intelligent ability.

    He also did do quite a lot for a specific working class community which is more than some Labour MPs can claim.

    And the idea that he had to be vetted by the politbureau is a bad look.

    Comment by NeilM — December 3, 2012 @ 5:31 am

  24. @23 +1 . It’s what “being inclusive” is all about isn’t it?

    Comment by Scintilla — December 3, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  25. There’s a difference between “being inclusive” and “cuddling a suicide bomber”.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — December 3, 2012 @ 11:46 am

  26. It comes down to whether your preferred method of destruction is boiling the frog or big bang, sammy 2.0.

    Comment by Gregor W — December 3, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  27. @ Steve, well at least the semblance of basing his opinion on facts. He ought to take a few lessons from the PM about how to say one thing and mean the opposite. He was useless in 2005 and he’s useless now because he doesn’t do this. All other politicians are not disappointing, they are doing what I expect them to do and before anyone says that this guy is a fresh breath of air because he’s different to all the rest, I have to chime in and say that no-one wants any politicians that’s different in this way, especially political observers such as myself, as it takes away the treasured mystique of dishonesty and politics.

    Look at Key. Like Tamihere, he is not used to the political climate we have found ourselves in. But he looks at it from a political perspective. For example, homosexuality was legalised in 1986. Then in the early 2000’s, civil unions came in by the second Clark-led Government. So Key recognises that there’s a political history there, plus there’s other facts such as sucking up to Obama, so while he is not gay and grew up not knowing a lot about this issue, his political opinion and the way he votes on this issue is separated from his personal view on the matter.

    Comment by Dan — December 3, 2012 @ 12:14 pm

  28. Labour should change its rules and require three continuous years membership to be considered as a candidate.

    Comment by richdrich — December 3, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  29. richdrich+1

    Has anyone got the link to the media articles (Herald?, IIRC) for the Auckland supercity elections leadup, where JT offered to be Deputy Dog to Banksie? I would have thought JT’s constant right-wing rhetoric would be what would bar him from Labour membership. Oh, right. Sorry, I forgot. Labour.

    JT’s return appears to be partly an effort to shore up Shearer’s dwindling RogerGnomes faction, and partly a shrewd eye on the future of govt funding for Waipereira Trust that Tamihere fronts. Charter schools, whanau ora, etc – it pays to have a snout round the trough if you want to end up with the cookies. Just look at how Banksie engineers (in oh so subtle fashion) his Act cronies onto ‘commissions’ that report on how govt can give public cash to their business chums.

    Getting back in Labour now, when they look likely to form the next govt in under 2 years, with power to direct ‘community funding’ shows JT may be far more politically astute than his critics credit him.

    Comment by bob — December 3, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

  30. And the idea that he had to be vetted by the politbureau is a bad look.</blockquote.

    Not sure why. He was after all kicked out of the party, so having to at least jump through a few hoops to get back in doesn't seem unreasonable.

    Comment by steve — December 3, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  31. (Oops, blockquote fail.)

    @Dan

    and before anyone says that this guy is a fresh breath of air because he’s different to all the rest, I have to chime in and say that no-one wants any politicians that’s different in this way,

    I agree in that those sorts of comments (“breath of fresh air”, “being inclusive” etc) are trite. That’s Danyl’s point in this post: inclusiveness has its limits for any political organisation – even a major party. Tamihere got himself kicked out for going too far in criticising certain aspects of his party before, and now is back in despite making noises to the effect that he won’t back down at all.

    That said, I was leaning towards the view that his comments might be bravado, and in reality he was prepared to be more conciliatory. But his behaviour on his show today towards Tova O’Brien doesn’t bode well.

    Comment by steve — December 3, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

  32. Looks like the suicide bomber has detonated.

    If Tamihere gets selected as a Labour candidate, then we’ll know for sure Grant Robertson has taken over the party to lose deliberately in 2014 and inherit the crown afterwards.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — December 3, 2012 @ 8:24 pm

  33. Who is not allowed to join the Labour Party?

    How did the media get to know and think it was worth airing?

    Who actually cares that J Tamihere is a Labour Party member?
    Not many I suspect., mind you there are always a precious hand wringing few..

    Comment by peterlepaysan — December 3, 2012 @ 8:41 pm

  34. Christ, can’t we just have some entertainment??

    Comment by Scintilla — December 3, 2012 @ 10:19 pm

  35. Oh, Tamihere’s entertaining alright.

    Comment by steve — December 3, 2012 @ 11:34 pm

  36. Gee can’t you just see JT, Shearer, Robertson, Mallard, Hipkins O’Connor and Goff slowmo walking down the street to ‘Little Green Bag’!

    Comment by sheesh — December 4, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  37. Er, no.

    Comment by phil — December 4, 2012 @ 9:49 pm


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