The Dim-Post

December 15, 2012

Dim-Post politician of 2012

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 6:04 am

It’s Louisa Wall. Partly for her members bill for marriage equality – although my innate selfishness makes it hard to get too excited over legislation that doesn’t benefit me directly – but mostly because her campaign on behalf of the bill consisted of meeting with MPs who were opposed to it and winning them over to her point of view. How often do we see that happen?

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  1. I was going to say Paula Bennett, ’cause, like, she is a westie and stuff….

    Comment by max — December 15, 2012 @ 8:45 am

  2. I was going to say Paula Bennett, ’cause, like, she is a westie and stuff….

    Sounds like you’ve got what it takes to be a political editor for a major newspaper!

    Comment by danylmc — December 15, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  3. Parata for showing brilliant leadership idiocy.

    Comment by Dv — December 15, 2012 @ 9:21 am

  4. My serious answer would be Louisa Wall as well, with Dr Paul Hutchison second. I think we saw the best side of our politicians during the marriage equality debate.

    Otherwise I’d vote for Hekia Parata, described best by her own words “ARRRRRRGHH!”

    Comment by Greville — December 15, 2012 @ 9:59 am

  5. Yes agree Danyl, she was also the MP that was the most visible at the conference, where she (appeared) to spend a lot of time with here electorate people, helping to sell raffle tickets, all eating together with kai brought from the homes. To me she really exemplified Labour values in a way, I was really impressed. She’s seems courageous, hard working, loyal and smart. Good choice!

    Comment by Paul — December 15, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  6. SHE SUPPORTS THEY GAYS! I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL DANI-EE-EYE-EE-EYE-OH-EYEL!

    Comment by Andrew M — December 15, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

  7. Oh Daniel, how very liberal!

    “How often do we see that happen?” Regularly. It was the only positive feature of Sue Bradford’s lamentable tenure as Green MP – she made significant efforts to discuss, amend and win over opposed MPs to get support for her Bills.

    Sadly, like for Louisa Wall, these efforts of Sue’s were not as notable as you seem to believe, because most NZ MPs are now liberals, and both Wall and Bradford were only pushing social liberalising Bills. So not really a challenge, like convincing Tim Groser to support tariffs on sweatshop made cothing, or getting Hone to support asset sales, or getting John Banks to support state-funded meals in schools.

    My MP for the year would be David Cunliffe if he had rolled David Shearer at the Labour conference, and charted a new course for the Labour caucus that actually followed what their part members and constitution said. But he has had to defer that rolling ;)

    So I would give it jointly to Labour’s Phil Twyford and the Green’s Julie-Anne Genter for their work on transport issues. They don’t get the huge headlines that more sexy issues grab, but they have consistently exposed the government’s failed RoNS ‘build motorways’ agenda, and shown Steven Joyce and Gerry Brownlee up as buffoons. Genter should be groomed to replace Turei quickly.

    Comment by bob — December 15, 2012 @ 6:52 pm

  8. Actually, now that you mention it Danyl, even by your apparent criteria (that Louisa has ‘advanced’ human rights with her gay marriage Bill), I wonder if Wall’s Bill is so notable.

    First, it has only passed it’s first reading -the easiest hurdle.

    Second, what demand is there for gay marriage? Prominent gay people reject it as unhelpful (not just for them, but unhelpful for all gay folks), and our NZ experience has been that only a tiny number of people have taken up gay civil unions (around 300-400 a year gay and straight, compared with 20,000 straight marriages). The latter is not (just) and argument against gay marriage per se, but against the significance of Wall’s ‘achievement’.

    It all just smacks of propoganda – give Wall awards for her ‘vast contribution to advancing human rights’ and it might make it harder for opponents to publicly criticise an ‘award winning’ MP’s Bill. Kinda like how Obama got given the Nobel Peace Prize before he had even done anything as US President…

    Oh, and the people of Manurewa (of whom I know many), may disagree that Louisa is a stellar MP, given her Bill goes against their views. Jut ask neighbouring Mangere Labour MP Sua William Sio.

    Comment by bob — December 15, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

  9. “… even by your apparent criteria (that Louisa has ‘advanced’ human rights with her gay marriage Bill), I wonder if Wall’s Bill is so notable.”

    That wasn’t Danyl’s criteria. You are imposing your view of what Danyl must think because he lives in Aro Valley on to what Danyl actually says … which is that he doesn’t care about human rights at all, because he is a selfish child of the me-me-me 80s who is concerned solely with satisfying his own hedonistic pleasure (by doing things like writing turgid pastiches of Lovecraft and Joyce).

    “… because most NZ MPs are now liberals, and both Wall and Bradford were only pushing social liberalising Bills.”

    Only reinforcing Danyl’s point. Wall went and talked to (and convinced some of) those MPs who are NOT liberal on this issue, even though she probably would have had the numbers to get her Bill passed anyway.

    ““How often do we see that happen?” Regularly. It was the only positive feature of Sue Bradford’s lamentable tenure as Green MP…”

    So Wall’s actions are not noteable as there was one otherMP who acted in a similar fashion back in 2005-2007? That’s an odd use of the word “regularly”.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — December 15, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

  10. “Oh, and the people of Manurewa (of whom I know many), may disagree that Louisa is a stellar MP, given her Bill goes against their views.”

    Slam dunk! Haven’t seen an argument that good since James and the talking universe.

    Anyway, John Banks won politician of the year the moment he said “everyone knows I don’t lie”.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — December 16, 2012 @ 7:12 am

  11. Bob,n,guy, k-i-s-s-i-n-g

    Comment by phil — December 16, 2012 @ 7:30 am

  12. I vote Hekia Parata, because of her predilection for periphrasial obfuscationism

    Comment by kahikatea — December 16, 2012 @ 9:05 am

  13. I vote Rajen Prasad, for his tireless efforts to redefine the role of MPs as being never seen and never heard. Cam Calder runs him a close 2nd.

    Comment by alex — December 16, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  14. @ Andy G #9
    “That wasn’t Danyl’s criteria.” Actually, it was. Danyl gave 2 criteria – her Bill itself (ie advancing ‘human rights’) and her cross-party support gathering, both of which I addressed. But then, your post was really just ‘jamming’ (claim opponents are wrong, misguided, bigots, etc irrespective of facts) for the gay marriage cause, wasn’t it Andy?

    And what non-liberal MPs did Louisa convince? John Banks would be the obvious one, except Louisa didn’t convince him at all – Banks obeyed his (ultra-liberal) Act party’s demands to support the Bill.

    Finally Andy, I only gave one example – Bradford, to illustrate the point, not give a concise voting history of Parliament. I could have been mischevious, and suggested Gerry Brownlee, for his near universal support for the CERA Acts (didn’t even the Greens vote for it first time?), but that would be just be cruel… ;)

    @ Guy
    ““Oh, and the people of Manurewa (of whom I know many), may disagree that Louisa is a stellar MP, given her Bill goes against their views.”

    Slam dunk! Haven’t seen an argument that good since James and the talking universe.”
    It’s a little concept called democracy Guy – the people of Manurewa may actually want an MP who represents THEIR views, not her own personal interests.

    @ kahikatea – Gold! :)

    Comment by bob — December 17, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  15. bob,

    “… your post was really just ‘jamming’ (claim opponents are wrong, misguided, bigots, etc irrespective of facts) for the gay marriage cause, wasn’t it Andy?”

    Nope. Mostly it was an opportunity to poke fun at Danyl for having the temerity to write a novel. And also to point out that your claim about what Danyl said isn’t actually what Danyl said. But then, your post was really just “jamming” (claim supporters are wrong, undemocratic, rights absolutists, etc irrespective of the facts) against the gay marriage cause, wasn’t it bobby?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — December 17, 2012 @ 2:20 pm

  16. Oh, Bob,n,andy up a tree. Its a regular hot bed of man love here these days.

    Comment by phil — December 17, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  17. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s7.html

    Bob, Louisa Wall appears to have an extremely fine grasp of Edmund Burke’s dictum. Good call, Danyl

    Comment by TerryB — December 17, 2012 @ 11:24 pm

  18. @ TerryB – I totally agree with you Terry, but then, you do realise Burke’s dictum is a textbook definition of dictatorship, right? Burke was claiming that once elected, MPs should vote however they personally though right, rather than obey what the majority of their constituents thought. I mean, the temerity of those voters, expecting their *representative* to actually *represent* their views…

    @ phil – steady on son, you’ll make a mess…

    @ Andrew G – “And also to point out that your claim about what Danyl said isn’t actually what Danyl said. “ Well, I’ll let the words stand for others to read and decide – I’ve already noted the 2 criteria for ‘best MP’ I saw in Danyl’s post, and have explained myself on them. You have offered no such reasoning, nor examples of non-liberal MPs Louisa is supposed to have persuaded. Oh well. Have a Happy Christmas anyway, Andy :)

    Comment by bob — December 17, 2012 @ 11:36 pm

  19. Take your emoticon and fold it up until it is all sharp corners bobby, you know all the rest…. :)

    Comment by phil — December 18, 2012 @ 6:40 am

  20. I am in awe of the weak at the knees panty wetting going on about Judith Collins from Fran, Audrey and Paddy, all of whom seem to regard her jackboot bullying as a great excuse to whip down their pants and beg to be spanked. “Oh! MP of the year hit me harder! OWWW! The country needs your discipline! EEEK! Yes, we’ve been a very naughty country that deserves to be punished!”

    A psychologist could a build a career just on analysing how moist Judith seems to get so many of our “leading political journalists”.

    Anyway, I have thought about MP of the year and I can see why Danyl selected Louisa Wall – one of the few positive contributions of 2012 from a pretty bleak field overwhelmingly populated at the top on both sides of the house by passive-aggressive philistines and political nihilism. I certainly can’t think of anyone else deserving of actual encouragement.

    Comment by Sanctuary — December 18, 2012 @ 7:51 am

  21. @phil: “Oh, Bob,n,andy up a tree. Its a regular hot bed of man love here these days.”

    I’m sorry. I only engage in sexual relations within the bounds of holy matrimony. And bob apparently isn’t into that … .

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — December 18, 2012 @ 7:55 am

  22. “you do realise Burke’s dictum is a textbook definition of dictatorship, right?”

    Ha.
    That is all.

    Comment by garethw — December 18, 2012 @ 10:36 am

  23. @ garethw – Hmmmm, I know you’re not a fan of dictatorship gareth, but I don’t know quite why you seem to hold Burke in good regard (as do so many liberal lefties, including Chris Trotter). I should clarify – I meant to say Burke expounds ‘*elected* dictatorship'; he is happy for us to elect MPs, just not have any way of holding them to account for several years, before we rotate to the next liar who can inflict their personal vision of utopia on we the voters. I would have thought liberal lefties would be all in favour of continuous accountability of MPs to the public, and instant removal if they deviate too far from promises made to voters (ie Roger Douglas, Dick Prebble, pro-war Jim Anderton, ‘mother of all budgets’ Ruth Richardson, etc).

    @ Andy – not into that at all mate – I couldn’t possibly heave myself up into a tree, for you or phil ;) (ooops, was that a pointy edge emoticon phil?)

    @Sanctuary, yeh, but you don’t think MPs like Julie Anne Genter have been more consistently holding National to account, and expounding in a rational alternative vision of transport? I was impressed by her efforts. Tony Ryall’s ability to keep health off the radar for National may be impressive, but I’m less sure if it’s because of his supreme talent or the failure of Maryan Street and Kevin Hague to hold him up to the flame…

    Comment by bob — December 18, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  24. I’d have to vote for Winston Peters as MP of the year.

    If any one person typifies the values, aspirations and motivations of the modern NZ political process, I’d say he’s pretty much nailed it, and few can compare.

    Comment by Lee C — December 22, 2012 @ 7:58 pm


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