The Dim-Post

January 22, 2013

Screen cap of the day, ironic region setting edition

Filed under: technology — danylmc @ 9:30 pm

Sent in by a reader; and sure, there are plenty of plausible reasons why the job search site for the NZ government is set to Australian Eastern Standard Time, but my favorite (not-that-unlikely) theory is that it’s been outsourced to an Aussie provider but staffed by ex-pat Kiwis.

Jobs crossing the ditch

Update: jobs.govt.nz HAS been outsourced to Australia! From the comments:

Extract of whois of jobs.govt.nz:
jobs.govt.nz IN A 210.193.133.120
120.133.193.210.in-addr.arpa IN PTR eyintra.recruitasp.com.au

Traceroute looks like Sydney. Therefore, outsourced.

Lucky outsourcer is RecruitASP, Privately held, 51-200 employees. No idea how many are kiwi expats.

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  1. Extract of whois of jobs.govt.nz:
    jobs.govt.nz IN A 210.193.133.120
    120.133.193.210.in-addr.arpa IN PTR eyintra.recruitasp.com.au

    Traceroute looks like Sydney. Therefore, outsourced.

    Lucky outsourcer is RecruitASP, Privately held, 51-200 employees. No idea how many are kiwi expats.

    http://www.linkedin.com/company/recruitasp

    Probably hosted here: http://www.macquarietelecom.com/corporate/data-centres/intellicentre-1-sydney-cbd

    Comment by rainman — January 22, 2013 @ 9:51 pm

  2. is that code for ‘we’re all at the beach, suckers!’?

    Comment by R — January 22, 2013 @ 11:42 pm

  3. reply to myself: ‘the beach’ includes Antarctica.

    Comment by R — January 22, 2013 @ 11:43 pm

  4. For additional and numerous laughs, it is well worth checking out the Managing Director/CEO page on Steven Joyce’s new arts student bashing page, http://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs/management-and-consulting-/managing-directorchief-executive/ , not least because you get there by clicking through from the “No qualifications to trade certificate” category (for whom the job opportunities as a managing director or chief executive are good apparently?).

    Comment by Michael — January 23, 2013 @ 1:24 am

  5. Looking at the source code for the site, it looks like it shares parentage with the current Queensland Government’s job search site (smartjobs.qld.gov.au), and it also shares code with a previous version (last live in Oct 2012) of http://www.globiles.com/. I’d guess that they bid competitively and were able to win the work because they were reusing existing software. Pretty much the same as buying Windows vs writing your own OS.

    Comment by Jason — January 23, 2013 @ 11:39 am

  6. NZ Government Jobs crossing the ditch!

    I was talking about this last night, and had visions of be-suited bean counters slapping each other on the back, celebrating the few points shaved off the cost from by outsourcing to where economies of scale may work. I then shook my head at the farce that is the New Zealands Government’s jobs website being contracted out to an Australian entity. Penny wise, conceptually stupid.

    FM

    Comment by Fooman — January 23, 2013 @ 1:40 pm

  7. Unless I’m missing something all that means is that it’s hosted in Australia. It could still be administered from Bangalore.

    Comment by grist — January 23, 2013 @ 4:37 pm

  8. Last major upgrade of the site was in 2007. What’s the bets it happened then

    Comment by insider — January 23, 2013 @ 9:54 pm

  9. @grist, quite correct of course, it could just be hosted there and arguably even operated by an NZ business or the gubbmint – but two things make me think it a standard outsource:
    1. The site is hosted by RecruitASP (even says so on the privacy page on the site), a company that has a recruitment software product (Springboard). It would make sense to use their product, not just their server space. And an ASP is an Application Service Provider (in the old language), not just a hoster.
    2. RecruitASP (now part of HrX) are an “Overseas ASIC company” according to the Companies Office, with two directors both having Sydney addresses. HrX registered as an overseas entity in NZ during 2011, but they have been in existence since 2000 in Australia. They have boring financial statements, modest profits, look like a typical medium sized consulting company to me. They could hire operators or developers from Bangalore, of course.

    Trawling through the wayback machine it looks like the site change happened around 2009, around when responsibility transferred to DIA. (Before then it used to be run by the SSC). Before then https://jobs.govt.nz/portal/privacy.html didn’t exist, it was https://jobs.govt.nz/privacy.aspx and said nothing about RecruitASP.

    Comment by rainman — January 24, 2013 @ 12:40 am

  10. If you think the site is bad from the outside, you should try posting a job to it if you are unlucky enough to be an HR person in government who uses it. RecruitASP takes the cake for ghastly user interface design. A simple calculation will show you that the number of jobs on the site cannot possibly be anywhere near the actual number of vacancies in government – the system is so horrendous that most departments bypass it.

    Comment by Frantic Bozo — January 24, 2013 @ 1:35 pm

  11. So the software that the Govt uses for recruitment is a hosted product out of Australia. Who cares? That is not the same AT ALL as outsourcing recruitment to Australia and I really don’t care if they’re choosing established hosted software products from anywhere. You can’t seriously be advocating that every minor piece of software in Govt should be locally built and hosted?

    Comment by garygoodguy — January 24, 2013 @ 6:17 pm

  12. @Gary: I think what Danyl is saying is that while there’s nothing wrong with it in and of itself, it looks bad in the eyes of the general public, and any politician worth their salt should take that into account.

    We know how strongly the public feels on this issue by the widespread criticism it has attracted in the media, such as popular blog The Dim Post and… umm… I’ll get back to you.

    Comment by Hugh — January 24, 2013 @ 6:31 pm


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