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February 13, 2013

The best thing about the Richard Prosser/Wogistan story

Filed under: general idiocy — danylmc @ 8:00 am

(From my perspective, at least) is that his brilliant scheme for a one billion person global no-fly list was vexed to idiocy when this vacuum-eyed buffoon tried to carry a knife on board a passenger aircraft and the security officers confiscated it:

Prosser, 45, penned a provocative column for Investigate magazine titled Enemy of the State after his pocket knife was confiscated at Christchurch Airport.

He wrote: “I will not stand by while their [his daughters'] rights and freedoms of other New Zealanders and Westerners are denigrated by a sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan.

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  1. I don’t understand this. Please explain to a bear of very little brain.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 13, 2013 @ 8:15 am

  2. It doesn’t make much sense. Via Stuff:

    Prosser, 45, penned a provocative column for Investigate magazine titled Enemy of the State after his pocket knife was confiscated at Christchurch Airport.

    He wrote: “I will not stand by while their [his daughters'] rights and freedoms of other New Zealanders and Westerners are denigrated by a sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan.

    Comment by danylmc — February 13, 2013 @ 8:21 am

  3. Ah. I hadn’t realised it was all sparked by a fit of pique over losing his pocket knife.

    A grown man carrying a pocket knife. Guess you never know when you might need to whittle a stick, or something.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 13, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  4. So much rah.

    Comment by nw — February 13, 2013 @ 8:44 am

  5. I looked on my map, but I couldn’t find Wogistan.

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 13, 2013 @ 8:54 am

  6. @ Sanctuary – Its where They come from, and They are not Us.

    Comment by awbraae — February 13, 2013 @ 8:57 am

  7. My favourite bit of Prosser’s prose is when goes on about how his kids are virgins of “Norse and Celtic lineage”.

    But my very favourite thing about this is that dpf feels the need to explain his criticism of an MP that said Muslim-looking dudes should be barred from flying with “Now before anyone says this is just political correctness…”

    Comment by bradluen — February 13, 2013 @ 9:05 am

  8. @bradluen – DPF is torn between undermining any potential opposition governing coalition at every opportunity with the knowledge that publicising the comments could drive his comments base to vote NZ First.

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 13, 2013 @ 9:09 am

  9. It’s not a one billion global no-fly. It’s only restricted to “Western airlines” and also only you young men :-)

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — February 13, 2013 @ 9:17 am

  10. The Wogistan thing had me confused, until I remembered that “stan” means land. So, it’s the land from which the Wogs originate. So, what’s a Wog ? We don’t use that word much here, but they certainly do in Australia. They sometimes refer to Italians as “Wogs”.

    Therefore, we must conclude that the “stone-age” and “misogynistic” religion must be Catholicism. It now becomes clear. The Pope, in his latest conversation with God was forwarned of the coming Wrath of the Prosser, and, knowing he cannot win, has stepped aside to spare the Church.

    Amiright?

    Comment by mikaerecurtis — February 13, 2013 @ 9:18 am

  11. Kathryn Ryan attempting to interview Mr Prosser at the moment, Foot seems firmly in mouth and he’s determined to show his fast coherent intellect.

    Comment by WH — February 13, 2013 @ 9:23 am

  12. David Shearer condemns the comments because it may cause Prosser’s violent Muslims to become violent. Oof.

    “I find this offensive. I find it inappropriate for a Parliament like ours. If those sorts of comments were made in the Middle East, it could incite violence – we don’t want that here.”
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/127899/nz-first-mp-accepts-muslim-comments-not-balanced

    Comment by detmackey — February 13, 2013 @ 9:25 am

  13. Der – Wogistan is a landlocked middle east nation situated next to the Republic of Wadiya.

    Comment by TransportationDevice A7-98.1 — February 13, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  14. “…They sometimes refer to Italians as “Wogs”…”

    My Dad casually used “wogs” to refer to anyone of European/Mediterranean origin, including the ones he liked.

    So while the Italians may well be the the ones singled out to be blessed by stone age religion I think Gregory may well have come closest to interpreting Mr. Prosser’s remarks by noting “obviously it’s not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any person(s) of Woggy descent”. So i i interpret Mr. Prosser’s remit to cautionary bannings to extend (in the European context) to Greeks, Spaniards and possibly not a few of the insanitary French.

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 13, 2013 @ 10:02 am

  15. i.e. ‘Wogs begin at Dover’. In which case Western airlines are going to be awfully empty of passengers. And all for Mr Prosser to show off his Swiss Army pocket knife in safety…

    Comment by Leopold — February 13, 2013 @ 10:22 am

  16. Oh, c’mon … surely we haven’t all forgotten this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbXAbZ28_0k

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — February 13, 2013 @ 10:23 am

  17. Of all the widespread ramifications of the War of Terror, it is only his inability to play Middle-Aged-MacGuyver while on an airplane that incites Mr Prosser to action…

    David Shearer condemns the comments because it may cause Prosser’s violent Muslims to become violent. Oof.
    Very oof, hoping it’s just a tone-deaf response and not a carefully crafted dog-whistle…

    Comment by garethw — February 13, 2013 @ 10:47 am

  18. I suspect that a man who worked for the UN in Afghanistan may take a particularly practical approach to interfaith relations. Goff went off at him in a satisfying way though.

    Comment by Keir — February 13, 2013 @ 11:12 am

  19. So i i interpret Mr. Prosser’s remit to cautionary bannings to extend (in the European context) to Greeks, Spaniards and possibly not a few of the insanitary French.

    This is bad for DPF given that his surname is a bit woggy (not to mention his swarthy visage!)

    Comment by Gregor W — February 13, 2013 @ 11:15 am

  20. i.e. ‘Wogs begin at Dover’.

    My favourite variation of British exceptionalism is “Krauts start in Calais”.

    Comment by Gregor W — February 13, 2013 @ 11:20 am

  21. It’s only restricted to “Western airlines” and also only you young men :-)

    Yes, because there is absolutely no history of female suicide bombers, terrorists over the age of 40, or children being used by terrorists.

    Comment by Me Too — February 13, 2013 @ 11:39 am

  22. “I find this offensive. I find it inappropriate for a Parliament like ours. If those sorts of comments were made in the Middle East, it could incite violence – we don’t want that here.”

    Shearer is turning out to be a bit weird.

    We don’t want violent Muslims, like in the Middle East, here?

    Comment by NeilM — February 13, 2013 @ 11:41 am

  23. “…“Krauts start in Calais”…”

    “Fog in Channel, Europe cut off” is my favourite.

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 13, 2013 @ 11:42 am

  24. I am baffled as to why so many people are baffled that someone who used to work in war zones in the Middle East might have a particularly keen interest in pushing a “let’s not say inflammatory things” line.

    Comment by Keir — February 13, 2013 @ 11:54 am

  25. It’s just occurred to me that given Prosser’s petulant rant was as result of his pen-knife being appropriated, his comment could conceivably be a coded dig at government hiring policies.

    “I will not stand by while their [his daughters'] rights and freedoms of other New Zealanders and Westerners[read: The ability of white people to do what they like] are denigrated [read: is unreasonably curtailed]by a sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan.[read: by brown people employed by Aviation Security and NZ Customs. Typical freedom hating Nanny State types. Give them a uniform and they think they're bloody Hitler.]

    Now it starts to make sense.

    Comment by Gregor W — February 13, 2013 @ 12:05 pm

  26. @Keir

    It’s the condescending tone – We must protect Muslims from their violent impulses.

    I don’t think anyone goes round saying that about Maori whenever Laws says anything racist.

    Comment by NeilM — February 13, 2013 @ 1:16 pm

  27. @sanctuary

    “…They sometimes refer to Italians as “Wogs”…”

    “My Dad casually used “wogs” to refer to anyone of European/Mediterranean origin, including the ones he liked.”

    I always believed that the term “Wog” referred to anyone with dark complexion who was not from England, and was derived from “Golliwog”. And MY father tells me the appropriate derogotary term for an Italian, or other swarthy mediterranean type, is “Dago”.

    It is pretty clear who the troglodyte is Mr Prosser.

    Comment by PPCM — February 13, 2013 @ 1:27 pm

  28. Or, possibly, as someone who’s had personal experience of communal violence, he’s just quite keen to get loud mouth bigots to shut the fuck up before someone gets hurt. Idiots in the West talking smack about Islam do lots and lots of damage. I think the idea there’s a condescending tone is pretty tenuous: no actual Muslims appear to be taking offence.

    Comment by Keir — February 13, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

  29. Wasn’t WOG originally derived from ‘Western Oriental Gentleman’?

    Comment by MikeG — February 13, 2013 @ 1:36 pm

  30. No. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wog.

    Comment by Keir — February 13, 2013 @ 1:42 pm

  31. “no actual Muslims appear to be taking offence”

    Perhaps so but then no Muslims in NZ are getting violent over this.

    It seems the wrong way round. We counter people like Prosser to protect the targeted community from harm not to protect everyone else from violence from them.

    It’s not Shearer has managed to speak with any degree of alacrity on much recently.

    Comment by NeilM — February 13, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

  32. be sure to click to enlarge, but the map is pretty clear: http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/105-the-tory-atlas-of-the-world

    Comment by ben — February 13, 2013 @ 2:40 pm

  33. “no actual Muslims appear to be taking offence”

    Indonesian ambassador seemed none too pleased on the teevee last night

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — February 13, 2013 @ 2:51 pm

  34. misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan

    I love it how conservatives suddenly become all feminist when they talk about Islam.

    Comment by helenalex — February 13, 2013 @ 3:13 pm

  35. ben – I’m think I first saw that same map in a copy of Spitting Image magazine.

    Comment by Gregor W — February 13, 2013 @ 3:14 pm

  36. Gregor W. — the Strange Maps curator describes the map as sourced from the Spitting Image book, so your memory is correct.

    Comment by herr doktor bimler — February 13, 2013 @ 4:11 pm

  37. the government should crack down on people who I think might be misogynists so that I can be free to carry my pocketknife on an aeroplane!

    Comment by kahikatea — February 13, 2013 @ 4:58 pm

  38. Holy hell I now know how lucky I was when I flew Etihad to Frankfurt recently. It wasn’t just the best and cheapest flight of any airline, Western or other,, but none of Prosser’s terrorists would have brought down my Islamic plane — which had a continuous online screen showing the direction of Mecca, and actually served wine without having to pay or beg for it.

    We also flew over iraq both ways!!! No missiles aimed at an Islamic plane.

    I will use Islamic airlines as much as possible from now on — safest way to go.

    Comment by poneke — February 13, 2013 @ 5:20 pm

  39. It turns out that

    Far from confiscating the knife, security officials ‘‘facilitiated’’ Prosser back to the Air New Zealand counter where the knife was put through as checked in baggage.

    Having actually lost a pocket knife due to the rules (it fell out a zip pocket in my backpack), I can tell you that spending a couple of otherwise unproductive minutes putting it into your checked luggage is no imposition at all. What a pathetic whinger.

    Comment by mikaerecurtis — February 13, 2013 @ 5:53 pm

  40. Those Islamic airlines are one sweet ride Poneke.

    Iran Air Flight 655

    Comment by OECD rank 22 kiwi — February 13, 2013 @ 8:34 pm

  41. Oh offs oecd don’t use facts to dispute wet hand wringing whining.

    Comment by titsonabull — February 13, 2013 @ 8:44 pm

  42. Worthy Oriental Gentleman :)

    Comment by sassi — February 13, 2013 @ 8:50 pm

  43. I feel like a wog, people give me the eye, but i was born here just like you….don’t call me your golliwog….

    I can’t be the only rattus norvegicus fan here surely?

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkHp3w10AY

    Comment by insider — February 13, 2013 @ 10:14 pm

  44. I’m confused, I thought Bob Clarkson resigned from Parliament in 2008?

    Comment by Hugh — February 13, 2013 @ 10:41 pm

  45. I want to act as a devil’s advocate here for a moment thought – it is not rather odd watching National, the party that gave us Orewa and “one rule for all” and Hone “wouldn’t let my daughter date a white boy” Harawira and the entire liberal chatterati getting so indignant over this rather than, say, child poverty? I think Richard Prossers real crime has been to couch his racism in terms that upsets the liberal elites more than anything else. For example, Russell Brown has not posted on Public Address on an explicitly political subject since a piece on the TPP back in mid-December, 2012. Not a peep on the living wage or anything else, but a nice bit of feel-good bash the racist will always reliably move him to print. Does not this posting history provides the pefect prima facie evidence of how for our mainstream establishment racism provides a handy feel good hot button to reinforce their liberal credentials, but the real politics of the real world are no longer allowed to intrude into their comfortable lives?

    People always wonder who it is who propelled National from 28% to 45% in the polls post Orewa, or who it is who votes for NZ First. Is the reason we all wonder because of total elite captture of the media and even the mainstream blogsphere? And if that is so, would it not be better to recognise that a large number of voters might agree with Mr. Prosser and talk about that rather than just jostle for a position in the queue to bash him?

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 14, 2013 @ 8:15 am

  46. The other good thing about flying on Etihad is that you can be fairly confident there won’t be any Man U supporters onboard.

    Comment by rich — February 14, 2013 @ 9:08 am

  47. Does not this posting history provides the pefect prima facie evidence of how for our mainstream establishment racism provides a handy feel good hot button to reinforce their liberal credentials, but the real politics of the real world are no longer allowed to intrude into their comfortable lives?

    O the thrill of wallowing in a little moral superiority. It wasn’t so long ago that Sanctuary/Semmens was singing from the Prosser songbook at Public Address, complete with a little redneck Italian baiting.

    Comment by Joe W — February 14, 2013 @ 9:21 am

  48. Touchy touchy this morning, aren’t we Joe W? Thou dost protest a little to much, me thinks. Sorry to dent your hero, Saint Russell of Pt. Chev. Unfortunately by inclination I am a bit of a stirring iconoclast, so you’ll just have to have a cup of tea and little lie down.

    Mind you, your comments are a neat QED of the lockstep of what passes for our liberal intelligentsia, and the sort of sneering and dismissive full-nuclear option they adopt for those who might question their innate ideological and cultural superiority. The intelligentsia in this country seems to be more a style of living that way of thinking, because when it comes to ideas they are just like the Kiwiblog authoritarians, but with hipster tastes.

    Anyway, let’s draw some recent strands together in my little devil’s advocate argument.

    We’ve all been lining up to bash Josie Pagani’s defeatist Blairite prescription for the left and me and others noted Guy Standing’s interview on Natrad, particularly how he spoke of how the emerging “precariat” is attracted to right wing populists who play on their fears by blaming “others”. But it seems to me the attraction to right wing populism has to have something more to it than simply the attraction of painting a target on another group. It perhaps occurs to me that one can conclude from the nature of the comments on Prosser’s comments that our ruling elites, be they nominally of the left or the right economically, now have a socially progressive consensus that actively seeks to not just counter but actively suppress the expression of popular racism. in recent comments i’ve been struck at how it is liberal left that has sought most eagerly for legal avenues to punish the thought crimes of Prosser (Meteria Turei calling Prosser’s comments “hate speech”, with a clear implication that hate speech ought to be illegal). Conversely, it is the populist right which both says and defends the right to say what many people actually think. This allows them to pose as the champions of the repressed and disadvantaged, as crusaders against PC and bullshit. It seems to me one could argue it is this disconnect between the left intelligensia (who should be providing the leadership cadres to organise the masses against neo-liberalsim) from the working poor and poor that more than anything else is primary cause of the enfeeblement of the left as a political force since the 1970s.

    Now, it seems to me we should not adopt the proscriptions and language of the right – I’ll leave that argument to Josie Pagani – and nor do I think Prosser’s comments are at all acceptable but I do think we need to more fully acknowledge that his views come from somewhere and that we probably need to address them more substantively than simply with sneering dismissal if we want to re-engage the “precariat” with the left’s political ideology.

    PS i am not sure if I entirely agree with my own argument, so criticism is welcome…

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 14, 2013 @ 10:13 am

  49. …nor do I think Prosser’s comments are at all acceptable…

    Sanctimonious hogwash. Prosser will never need to pay for a toilet roll while you have a tongue in your head.

    Comment by Joe W — February 14, 2013 @ 10:26 am

  50. And if that is so, would it not be better to recognise that a large number of voters might agree with Mr. Prosser and talk about that rather than just jostle for a position in the queue to bash him?

    Why do we need to validate racist tripe by talking about it?

    The guys position is that young Muslim men, or those who “look like Muslims” (brown folks) should be banned from flying from “western” (white folks) airlines.

    I’m not sure I see any upside it recognising that POV, irrespective of how many NZers secretly hold it.

    Comment by Gregor W — February 14, 2013 @ 10:52 am

  51. I’m not sure I see any upside it recognising that POV…

    I’m all for knowing who in politics has opinions that are derogatory towards nationality, religion, immigrants, gender etc – very handy information come election day.

    Comment by Ataahua — February 14, 2013 @ 11:40 am

  52. “…Prosser will never need to pay for a toilet roll while you have a tongue in your head…”

    Are you sure you are not German?

    Comment by Sanctuary — February 14, 2013 @ 12:40 pm

  53. very handy information come election day.

    For who?
    I don’t think NZF voters will suddenly think “Gosh! I hope my secret party vote for Winston won’t make people think I support racist jerkoff’s getting a seat on his coat-tails!”

    Comment by Gregor W — February 14, 2013 @ 12:53 pm

  54. For undecided voters, obviously, Gregor.

    Comment by Ataahua — February 14, 2013 @ 2:13 pm

  55. Hmm. I’d say the ‘Undecided but thinking NZF’ voter bloc is pretty small inasmuch as you pretty much know what you are getting with Winston.
    Then again, maybe that’s just my observation bias.

    Comment by Gregor W — February 14, 2013 @ 2:54 pm

  56. I can’t be the only rattus norvegicus fan here surely?

    “I feel like a wog, I don’t mean you no harm, just let me shine your shoe shoe shoe shoes”

    Yeah, wogs have never been the same since then for me either.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — February 14, 2013 @ 7:33 pm

  57. I’m not sure I see any upside it recognising that POV, irrespective of how many NZers secretly hold it.

    Oh, there’s definitely an upside to recognising the depressing fact that many NZers share his views. Realism is its own reward.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — February 14, 2013 @ 7:37 pm

  58. “Liberal intelligentsia”? We don’t all have lifestyle blocks to shoot other people’s cats on, Tom. Do get over yourself some day, won’t you.

    Comment by Sacha — February 14, 2013 @ 9:36 pm

  59. Gregor W wrote: “Hmm. I’d say the ‘Undecided but thinking NZF’ voter bloc is pretty small”

    considering how NZ First’s polling seems to drop well below the 5% threshold between elections and then pop up again as we get close to the election, I’d say the undecided NZF voter bloc is comparatively big. Anecdotally, I’ve heard a number of people say they decided to vote strategically for New Zealand First in a particular election, while not really considering themselves New Zealand First supporters. I have wondered if some NZF MPs also joined NZF for strategic reasons, rather than having been NZF supporters before they joined.

    Comment by kahikatea — February 14, 2013 @ 10:49 pm

  60. My favourite bit of Prosser’s prose is when goes on about how his kids are virgins of “Norse and Celtic lineage”.

    The dude’s an out-and-out white supremacist. So, presumably, is his audience.
    I was intrigued by his suggestion that not only should people who *look* islamic be banned from flying, i.e. swarthyness and semitic nose and so forth (but he’s not racist!), but also people who *are* islamic but don’t look it. Has anyone inquired into how their underlying dangerosity should be made apparent? Does it involve the compulsory wearing of an armband of some form?

    Comment by herr doktor bimler — February 15, 2013 @ 12:57 am

  61. I don’t think NZF voters will suddenly think “Gosh! I hope my secret party vote for Winston won’t make people think I support racist jerkoff’s getting a seat on his coat-tails!”

    I know a few people who considered voting for NZFirst simply because they liked Winston. They had no real idea, and didn’t care, that other people came with him. Actually seeing them do something makes for quite a shock (isn’t this the second or third party member that’s brought widespread negative attention down on them? Which is a lot, considering the size of the party!)

    Comment by Flynn — February 15, 2013 @ 1:40 am

  62. considering how NZ First’s polling seems to drop well below the 5% threshold between elections and then pop up again as we get close to the election

    Easily explainable; (i) Winston’s 5% are often taking a nap between elections and (ii) that nice man Roy Morgan always call’s when Coro is on so they’ve stopped answering.

    Comment by Gregor W — February 15, 2013 @ 10:06 am

  63. Peters has that keeping-them-honest schtick going which appeals to people.

    I know some very good people, ie that can be relied upon to do good by others, who have voted for him. And others who vote more centre left who, when it came to the crunch, couldn’t be relied upon.

    It’ll be interesting to see if this dents Peters appeal.

    Comment by NeilM — February 15, 2013 @ 7:19 pm


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