The Dim-Post

July 31, 2013

It’s the worst abuse of government power imaginable – the kind that affects the press gallery.

Filed under: media,Politics — danylmc @ 9:20 am

The gallery are in high dudgeon mode:

Speaker David Carter’s admission that Parliament supplied a ministerial inquiry with Fairfax Media journalist Andrea Vance’s phone records is a bombshell.

It comes on the back of Parliament’s admission that Vance’s movements were also tracked as part of the Government’s efforts to find the “mole” who leaked her a report on the Government Communications Security Bureau.

Fair enough, I guess. Personally I’m struck by the very high incidence of illegal activity, lies and cover-ups that seem to have occurred around the work the security services and the government have carried out regarding Andrea Vance and Kim Dotcom, and the fact that we only know about all this incompetence and law-breaking because both Vance and Dotcom are highly privileged individuals. Dotcom is a lawyered up multi-millionaire, Vance is a respected senior reporter for a multinational media company. So if their rights are violated they get to find out about it – but that’s not the case for the overwhelming majority of people who interact with these agencies. It’d be nice to know if this behavior is out of the ordinary, or if these agencies break the law and lie about it on a routine basis.

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22 Comments »

  1. A start would be more details about the 88 cases where GCSB spied unlawfully.

    Just while preparing the full inquiry into all state (and private?) surveillance, and not just that of the military, GCSB, SIS and police. Plus ask whether we need so many surveillance gangs.

    Comment by Andrew R — July 31, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  2. One of the impressions I get is that these jokers are taking their lead from their boss. He jokes, has brain fades and appears generally not to give a sh1t about rights, So they do the same.

    Comment by northshoreguynz — July 31, 2013 @ 9:55 am

  3. It’d be nice to know if this behavior is out of the ordinary, or if these agencies break the law and lie about it on a routine basis.

    And I’m sure we’ll find that out, when the review of the GSCB is carried out in 2015, safely after the law has been changed and the 2014 election is over. Because we can trust that this review will be thorough, intensive and committed to unearthing the truth at all costs.

    So perhaps you should stop being so impatient? This “me, me, me” generation and their demands for instant gratification. I don’t know.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — July 31, 2013 @ 9:58 am

  4. Who are the 88? The bill allows “The Bill allows the minister in charge (usually the prime minister) to authorize full surveillance by the GCSB of any New Zealander without any judicial oversight and for arbitrary reasons (political reasons are not ruled out at all)” ( http://tinyurl.com/lbettma )

    If we found out who those 88 were who had their rights illegally broken then we would learn who GCSB regularly spy on (journalists? environmental activists like the police sometimes do, alleged secondary copyright infringers like Dotcom, or what?)

    Comment by matthewathollowayconz — July 31, 2013 @ 10:25 am

  5. On Nat Radio this morn, they said something about the phones being provided (but not necessarily paid for) by parliamentary services. WTF? Or did I hear that incorrectly?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — July 31, 2013 @ 1:03 pm

  6. Fist – Ralston says ‘ Fairfax owned that phone line because they payed the bill for it therefore it belonged to the Fairfax organisation – not parliamentary service….’

    Comment by CnrJoe — July 31, 2013 @ 1:31 pm

  7. “…It’s the worst abuse of government power imaginable – the kind that affects the press gallery…”

    We are a nation of NIMBYS.

    Comment by Sanctuary — July 31, 2013 @ 1:54 pm

  8. Its a ridiculous situation.. you get a leak, the Opposition cries incompetence and poor security, the Govt promises to fix the leak and the security and then everyone cries foul when the Govt actually does something logical to find the leak and fix the security.

    JC

    Comment by JC — July 31, 2013 @ 2:19 pm

  9. That’s a rhetorical question right Danyl?

    Comment by bart — July 31, 2013 @ 3:13 pm

  10. ““…It’s the worst abuse of government power imaginable – the kind that affects the press gallery”

    But its okay for a beneficiary’s details to be splashed across the press?

    Comment by max — July 31, 2013 @ 5:50 pm

  11. I think if the details of the 88 people illegally spied on were made public it would be game over for this bill.

    If the GCSB was truly concerning itself with dangerous individuals and terrorist groups planning to blow up the sky tower and/or steal our WMDs there wouldn’t have been any difficulties converting that surveillance (which they claim to have been gathering under the belief that it was 100% legal) into a couple of arrests.

    Comment by Rob — July 31, 2013 @ 10:59 pm

  12. “Vance is a respected senior reporter for a multinational media company. ”

    Respected?Thanks for the laugh. So called journalists (I call them fake journalists) are respected less than used car salesmen and real estate agents in the latest surveys.

    Vance is no one special, apart from her involvement in the leak scandal, an involvement that made any checking on her quite legitimate..

    Dotcom is special. He was a private citizen minding his own business and no threat to our security, and he should never have been spied upon.

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 1, 2013 @ 12:32 am

  13. Vance is no one special, apart from her involvement in the leak scandal, an involvement that made any checking on her quite legitimate.

    Next time ‘baiter calls someone “Stalinist” or evokes the Stasi, everyone quote this back to him, OK?

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 1, 2013 @ 7:23 am

  14. Next time ‘baiter calls someone “Stalinist” or evokes the Stasi, everyone quote this back to him, OK?

    The opportunity will no doubt roll around, though the wannabe scourge of “limpdicks” barely ever gets it up these days.

    Comment by Joe W — August 1, 2013 @ 8:46 am

  15. Next time ‘baiter calls someone “Stalinist” or evokes the Stasi, everyone quote this back to him, OK?

    The irony of this authoritarian railing against authoritarianism lost its entertainment value for me years ago. There’s only so many times it can be funny…

    Comment by Psycho Milt — August 1, 2013 @ 9:00 am

  16. I must admit that when I read statements like “Vance is a respected senior reporter” I wonder abut the naivety of the writer.
    I read the article by Andrea Vance in the Dom/Post this morning and thought that the most accurate part about it was the first half of the headline.
    “I’m mad as hell”. Seemed to sum her up, along with the rest of the Press Gallery journalists, pretty well really.

    Comment by Alwyn — August 1, 2013 @ 9:20 am

  17. “Next time ‘baiter calls someone “Stalinist” or evokes the Stasi, everyone quote this back to him, OK?”

    What are you saying infant? That nobody should be investigated if there is a leak? Or that reporters shouldn’t be investigated because they’re special? How often does your light flash? I’ve yet to see a glimmer.

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 1, 2013 @ 10:22 am

  18. If anything, leaks are a symptom of both cutbacks to investigative journalism, and those in a position of power with skeletons in the closet who have the cheek to tell us there’s “nothing to hide, nothing to fear”.

    Those who see fit to shoot the messenger will need much more than a loaded AR-15.

    Comment by deepred — August 2, 2013 @ 12:49 am

  19. What are you saying infant? That nobody should be investigated if there is a leak? Or that reporters shouldn’t be investigated because they’re special?

    What are you saying, ‘baiter? That any time information comes to the public’s attention that the Government really would rather not, any means necessary should be used against anyone involved in that dissemination … so as to protect the security and stability of the glorious Motherland, which protects and nurtures us and to which we owe our utter fealty … even unto the point of giving up our lives, for what is the individual compared to the needs of the community that nurtured us?

    At least, that’s what I read you as saying. Which is just what I’d expect from a leftist, socialist, Stalinist, liberal (etc, etc, etc) moron, half-wit, retard (etc, etc).

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 2, 2013 @ 7:00 am

  20. That any time information comes to the public’s attention that the Government really would rather not, any means necessary should be used against anyone involved in that dissemination…

    worth remembering though that in this case Key didn’t want an inquiry. That was driven by the media and opposition parties They wanted to out the leaker and compromise Vance’s communications.

    Comment by NeilM — August 2, 2013 @ 8:29 am

  21. worth remembering though that in this case Key didn’t want an inquiry. That was driven by the media and opposition parties They wanted to out the leaker and compromise Vance’s communications.

    See – ‘baiter wants the same thing as Labour and the Greens! Is there no depths to which these communist, socialist, liberal, fascist, braindead morons won’t sink?

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 2, 2013 @ 8:45 am

  22. See – ‘baiter wants the same thing as Labour and the Greens!

    Hey, cut the poor old fuck some slack. It’s been a hard week when even your ideological role model plans to surrender himself to the corrupting influence of higher education.

    Comment by Joe W — August 2, 2013 @ 11:06 am


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