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January 31, 2014

Funny stuff

Filed under: blogging — danylmc @ 10:43 am

Cameron Slater’s WhaleOil blog has been down for a few days:

Blogger Cameron Slater has handed over a stack of death threats to the police after angering hundreds by calling a dead man “feral”.

His website has been hacked and he wants a police investigation, while the grieving family of Judd Hall say they want a face-to-face meeting with him.

Clutching pages of evidence, Mr Slater claims he’s the victim of cyber bullying.

The blogger is known for the often inflammatory posts on his Whale Oil website, but this time the reaction has been extreme.

“Yes I might say offensive things, but I’m allowed to say offensive things. What you are not allowed to do is threaten people with death threats and rape against your daughters,” he says.

The threats were incited after he labelled West Coast man Judd Hall, who died in a high-speed car crash, as “feral”.

It’s not like the ‘feral’ remark was a first offense. Making fun of the recently deceased and their families is one of Cameron Slater’s favorite things in the whole world. He finds it especially hilarious when young children who have non-traditional names die horribly, the big joke being that funny names correlate with violent death.

So here’s Slater laughing at a six week old baby who died in Titahi Bay. Here’s Slater laughing at a fifteen month old baby who was savaged by a pitbull. Here’s Slater mocking a two year old accidentally crushed by a car and killed. Search his site and you’ll find dozens of ‘Silly First Name’ posts, most of them laughing about the death or serious injury of very young children. There’s other horrible stuff of a similar nature on a pretty constant basis. If you’re reading WhaleOil regularly you’re reading a lot of content that mocks the victims and families of horrible tragedies.

I can’t really get past this. To me this material marks Slater out as an obvious sociopath, someone so horribly damaged that all you can do is pity them and ignore them. Right? So I find it a little weird that so many other people read Slater’s site and don’t have a problem with how deranged it is. The Justice Minister Judith Collins is a huge fan; the Prime Minister’s office supply him with content. He’s a regular guest on various talk-back radio shows. Duncan Garner and Sean Plunket appear to be WhaleOil fans.  The Herald’s media columnist John Drinnan routinely links to his site.

People generally defend him by saying, ‘He’s controversial’, or ‘I don’t agree with everything he says.’ Fair enough. I can’t tell people what they should and shouldn’t read. But I sometimes feel like a character in a horror movie who can’t convince the rest of the villagers that the mysterious stranger is obviously the monster responsible for all those disappearing cattle. I just don’t get how people read this site and simply think ‘Hey! That’s controversial! Let’s put this guy on the radio’ and not, ‘Hey! What a vile hateful animal!’ Or am I crazy here?

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81 Comments »

  1. I’ve heard that there was no “hacking” attack. That Slater tried to move providers and just fucked it up.

    Also he’s pretty awful. But he’s consistently awful. Makes him easier to ignore.

    Comment by The Ruminator — January 31, 2014 @ 10:55 am

  2. Mr Slater’s remarks about the deceased may have been uncalled for but that does not give others the right to issue death threats to him and his family and threatening to rape his daughter. No one is above the law, and despite Slaters’ comments, those that issued the threats are no better, in fact worse, than Slater himself. Police prosecutions should follow.

    Comment by David Lloyd — January 31, 2014 @ 11:01 am

  3. That is because the values of our modern, ratings-driven broadcast news media have become so emotionally warped and ethically perverted that the behaviour of an obviously emotionally disturbed sociopath is now simply Garner and Plunkett and Gower and co taken to their logical conclusion. So it is all one big sociopath love in, where those still controlled by a few shreds of ethical standards are all more or less admirers of the out of control Cameron Slater.

    Comment by Sanctuary — January 31, 2014 @ 11:02 am

  4. It’s easy to ignore the internet ramblings of anyone, with or without the mental capacity of a 5 year-old, but I’m not sure I can ignore

    > Justice Minister Judith Collins is a huge fan

    Is this true? Maybe just a wayward twitter minion?

    Comment by anon — January 31, 2014 @ 11:04 am

  5. Reading Whaleoil is a bit like watching a public flogging or those early episodes of a season of Idol. It’s a chance to watch someone, who’s been deemed to deserve it, get beaten upon. Without this ongoing spectacle there’d be little left but the occasional but admittedly juicy scoop and talkback radio cliches.

    Comment by Richard — January 31, 2014 @ 11:20 am

  6. The word ‘feral’ as used by Lhaws and the like is basically a synonym for ‘nigger’, used because the BSA and any of his media outlets won’t tolerate the N-word, right?

    Comment by richdrich — January 31, 2014 @ 11:31 am

  7. Bang on Danyl. As much as I enjoy his unfathomable ability to best the left on an almost daily basis, I find the sociopathic stuff just undoes all that good work.

    He is a fame succubus. He feeds on attention, whether good or bad, and this just highlights the deep seated self worth and Daddy issues the poor guy has got.

    The media and Nat politicians that encourage him and exploit his illness are despicable. When he eventually goes postal with the large arsenal he has at home (and he will) it will be like those Aussie radio DJ’s that were responsible for that UK nurses suicide last year all over again.

    Comment by King Kong — January 31, 2014 @ 11:37 am

  8. Whale’s success is the natural reaction to a liberal MSM that tried for so long to control what NZers could read/hear/view. There is a market out there that for personal political reasons, liberal journalists and editors refused to acknowledge.

    Surveys frequently demonstrate that the liberal media is out of touch with public opinion and Whale’s success is just more proof that this is so.

    You left wingers should get over yourselves. Far less smug sneering would help a lot. You do not have the market cornered on political opinion.

    (BTW, anyone know who Whale’s “moderator” Petal/Pete is? I would welcome that information. As well as being an unbearable Slater sycophant, he’s in my humble opinion a coward and a liar who publicly smeared me as dishonest without the slightest shred of proof.)

    Comment by Redbaiter — January 31, 2014 @ 11:46 am

  9. Laughing at dead people and their families is (as Danyl notes) quite a common occurrence on that site. Laughing at people experiencing misfortune is its bread and butter.

    The content of that site is indistinguishable from the comments section of David Farrar’s site. I would guess that there is a small but sizeable minority of New Zealanders who enjoy such behaviour.

    Comment by George D — January 31, 2014 @ 11:58 am

  10. I expect that one day Slater will actually get the bash he’s been asking for so hard, and there will be so much schadenfreude that it will be hard to hold onto any moral high ground over the sad fuck.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — January 31, 2014 @ 12:23 pm

  11. Yes Ben, but the sad truth is that if he does get bashed, the glee such as yourself might indulge in is actually founded in the fact that he is a right winger, not that he is an ignorant sensation-monger.

    Comment by Redbaiter — January 31, 2014 @ 12:43 pm

  12. Slater’s blogging is vile. And worth keeping in the spot-light that HE MAKES MONEY from it. It’s not just ‘free expression’ etc- it’s done for $. While I’m sure he’s often out of his depth, Slater knows he’s playing with fire. It’s his trademark, his ‘point of difference’: going well past taste and decency. Some of this is calculated offensiveness.
    Re ‘feral’: it’s clearly meant to be offensive name-calling. But to me what was far more offensive is what followed – the ‘Did the world a favour’ part. That’s applauding someone’s death. A 17-year-old, a son, brother, friend, community member. I guess you might say that about a mass-murderer, or someone who tortures puppies, or even just someone you had a major personal grudge against. But in this case it just seems totally callous.
    The DOS attacks that took down the WO site? “Did the world a favour” :)

    Comment by Rob Stowell (@rob_stowell) — January 31, 2014 @ 12:49 pm

  13. Many of you others seem a little too expert on a blogger you claim should be avoided.

    Comment by Simon — January 31, 2014 @ 12:57 pm

  14. But to me what was far more offensive is what followed – the ‘Did the world a favour’ part. That’s applauding someone’s death.

    The world is quite happy to have a applaud death every year with the Darwin Awards, where similar instances of the cessation of life are the source of much mocking and hilarity.
    “The Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who accidentally remove themselves from it”

    Comment by Phil — January 31, 2014 @ 1:22 pm

  15. WhaleOil is pretty consistent with the right wing method of belittling and mocking those less fortunate, while ignoring the powerful, and being rewarded for it. See also: Paul Henry, Paul Holmes, any number of Herald columnists. It pays to make fun of those who can’t defend themselves. Also in common: whining like a baby whenever anyone dares direct some of their vitriol back at them.

    Comment by James W — January 31, 2014 @ 1:47 pm

  16. Judith Collins and Cameron Slater are close friends. She is not just a Twitter minion. They do family dinners together.

    Comment by Jackie Sperling (@SperlingJackie) — January 31, 2014 @ 2:46 pm

  17. Slater might be vile but in the scheme of things, he’s no more loathsome than any other ranter.

    I actually feel a bit sorry for him in a way because he clearly does sometimes have moments of clarity that allow him to merge from his psychosis.
    It must be pretty awful at those times to be able to rationalise that (i) a huge chunk of people think you are an awful human being and even worse (ii) there are a bunch of emotionally stunted haters who sincerely believe that your bile is legitimate.

    It must be even tougher for his family and friends.

    Comment by Gregor W — January 31, 2014 @ 3:20 pm

  18. You missed:
    (iii) some of those emotionally stunted haters are Cabinet Ministers

    Comment by richdrich — January 31, 2014 @ 3:24 pm

  19. Phil @ 14 I don’t think you can compare this to the Darwin Awards. Slater makes fun of children dying or being horribly injured, who also happen to have names he doesn’t approve of. The Darwin Awards are about people – usually adults (often teenagers though) – doing stupid things to themselves. How can you compare that to a 15 month old who has suffered harm? And mock them because their parent gave them a “silly” name? Even Judd Hall’s death doesn’t rate in the Darwin Awards stakes. He wasn’t the driver and the car he was in had been fleeing police but there is no suggestion of, say, strapping a rocket to its exhaust to help it out-pursue to fuzz….

    Red @ 11, Any “glee” at Slater being bashed won’t be because he is right wing but because he is a dick.

    Comment by MeToo — January 31, 2014 @ 3:26 pm

  20. “Many of you others seem a little too expert on a blogger you claim should be avoided.”

    On the contrary, it is necessary to be somewhat familiar in order to have an informed opinion on why he should be avoided. Otherwise we’d be like those people who want to ban books they’ve never read.

    ” I sometimes feel like a character in a horror movie who can’t convince the rest of the villagers that the mysterious stranger is obviously the monster ”

    Exactly. I really don’t get how or why he gets treated as a legit source or commentator in some circles. I can see he has some value as a conduit for scuttlebutt with plausible deniability, but he is clearly going to blow up with unpredictable consequences some day.

    Comment by Stephen Judd (@saniac) — January 31, 2014 @ 3:39 pm

  21. But there likely is a correlation between “silly“ names and negative outcomes for those kids.

    Comment by duckenvy — January 31, 2014 @ 3:49 pm

  22. Whale Oil is a sad response to the extremes of political correctness. He says something horrible and others can then have a legitimate discussion on the subject without being immediately being called something horrible for daring to be controversial. Martyn Bradley is fairly similar – although with less capability for original thought.

    The answer is to encourage discourse rather than fake tolerance of others.

    Comment by rsmsingers — January 31, 2014 @ 3:57 pm

  23. You mean, Whale Oil’s function is to extend the bounds of civility a la moving the Overton Window? Yuck.

    Comment by Stephen Judd (@saniac) — January 31, 2014 @ 3:59 pm

  24. You’re not crazy Danyl. That both Kiwiblog and Whaleoil are popular is a sad reflection on the state of mind of too many NZers. The commenters are mostly disturbed, vindictive, nasty, ignorant pricks. Slater’s and DPF’s posts and the comments should carry a health warning. It’s a damned shame that some idiots put out death and rape threats, if they hadn’t no one would have had any reason to side with Slater.

    Comment by Corokia — January 31, 2014 @ 4:42 pm

  25. Yeah, I’m not sure slagging off dead people counts as a ice-beaker for legitmate “discussion on the subject”.
    I get the feeling people like to hold Slater up as an iconoclast to bolster their own unhealthy attitudes rather than as a genuinely disruptive element.

    Comment by Gregor W — January 31, 2014 @ 4:43 pm

  26. > the sad truth is that if he does get bashed, the glee such as yourself might indulge in is actually founded in the fact that he is a right winger, not that he is an ignorant sensation-monger.

    No, it’s both, and more besides. He’s also an arsehole. If he happened to be a left-wing ignorant sensation-monger who was an arsehole, and someone righteously bashed him in, I’d probably laugh about that too, and chuck it on my YouTube favourites along with Capill copping a smack, and the extreme skating accidents. So long as he didn’t suffer more than a decent humiliation, of course. If he died from a beating, that’s a whole ‘nother thing.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — January 31, 2014 @ 5:18 pm

  27. Cameron is a sad man encountering what happens when a bully picks the wrong target. From what I’ve heard his options involve a grovelling publiic apology or moving to another country. The threats are very real and the people concerned have form for waiting as long as it takes to deliver on them. I feel sorry for his children.

    Comment by Sacha — January 31, 2014 @ 6:17 pm

  28. The central point, as others have noted, is that Slater has been awarded a respectable status, by people who should (and probably do) know better.

    Freedom to write offensive crap – yes. Even something as vile as celebrating the last of a mother’s four children to die. Obnoxious beyond words, but … he’s free to do it, and others are free to read it, if that’s what they get off on.

    But when that behaviour earns him a role as adviser to a senior cabinet minister, or regular commentator on Radio Live or Newstalk ZB, then the problem really isn’t Slater. It’s the busted moral compass of those who appease – or applaud – him. That’s not confined to the Right, by the way … Josie “Truth” Pagani and other “left” liberals didn’t create the monster, but they’ve certainly given it a cuddle.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — January 31, 2014 @ 6:36 pm

  29. >I feel sorry for his children.

    I’ve felt sorry for them since I first heard he had any.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — January 31, 2014 @ 6:55 pm

  30. Stephen J: “I really don’t get how or why he gets treated as a legit source or commentator in some circles.”

    Partly connections, I suspect. And also partly the Nixonian ‘silent majority’ thing.

    Comment by deepred — January 31, 2014 @ 7:28 pm

  31. What I find most offensive about Slater is that when he (rarely) finds himself in the role of victim of misfortune – usually far lesser misfortune than those he makes fun of, incidentally – he immediately switches around to pity mode, asking why people can’t sympathise with his (relatively modest) travails, and branding those who don’t agree helpless. So, he can give it, but he’s utterly unable to take it, not even a fraction of it. He roars that those who are offended by his abuse should just harden up and deal with the consequences of their actions, but when his own actions create some blowback, he whines and moans and forgets the whole ‘harden up’ ethos.

    Inability to put oneself in another’s shoes is one of the most unpleasant failings a human being can possess.

    So, while in principle I agree that sending him death threats isn’t cool, and the police should investigate, emotionally, it’s hard to really feel upset about it.

    @Red: Sorry to hear you’ve clashed with Slater’s mods. I’m sure it was because you were too hardcore a freedom warrior, whereas if anyone else had clashed with them, it’d be because they were a drooling Stalinist lackey.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — January 31, 2014 @ 7:43 pm

  32. Kalvarnsen #31: Agreed. It’s a classic case of narcissism and the persecution complex. Making death threats is silly and a criminal offence, but what goes around comes around to a large degree.

    I should also add he probably doesn’t have a lot of dosh right now, after the failure of The Truth and the halting of his unemployment insurance.

    Comment by deepred — January 31, 2014 @ 7:55 pm

  33. “Death threats” is now a sub-Partridge media trope, isn’t it?

    Time was, it meant bricks through windows and burning crosses on the lawn in Alabama. And you ran for your gun.

    Now it means somebody said FOAD on Facebook. Off the top of my head, I can recall “death threats” to Sue Bradford, Brian Tamaki, one of the Pagani/Wewege crew, Helen Clark (she got the white powder too), in fact pretty much anybody who’s said anything controversial from the talkback menu (abortion for gay Maoris, that kind of thing). And of course I do not condone etc, etc.

    News editors, daily: “Death threats or kittens, what are we going with today?”

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — January 31, 2014 @ 8:09 pm

  34. Comments about feeling sorry for Slater’s children are just as nasty and infantile as Slater’s own behaviour. Likewise equating him and Farrar are equally odious. Picking on David Farrar is equivalent to picking on the nerds at high school. He makes a huge effort to carry out civil and constructive discourse. His blindness to his low EQ is self evident, and self explanatory. He’s entitled to be right of centre if he wants to be. I’ve had sporadic conversations on line with him since Usenet days, nearly always disagreeing with him and not once has he treated me with disrespect or called me names for it. That’s leagues apart from how Slater behaves when someone disagrees with him.

    The right to free speech means that Slater can be an arsehole and Farrar can be misguided. Neither of them is burning books or limiting people’s access to a free press or the Internet. And te salient point is that Slater’s daughter does not deserve to be threatened with rape “because her father deserved it”.

    Comment by rsingers — January 31, 2014 @ 8:50 pm

  35. “Comments about feeling sorry for Slater’s children are just as nasty and infantile as Slater’s own behaviour.”

    Really? Explain how.

    Comment by Sacha — January 31, 2014 @ 8:56 pm

  36. @rsingers: OK, I will now think DPF is a cool guy because he was your friend on Usenet.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — January 31, 2014 @ 9:17 pm

  37. Comments about feeling sorry for Slater’s children are just as nasty and infantile as Slater’s own behaviour.

    WTF? take me to your dealer, cause you on some good shit.

    I feel sorry for Slaters daughter because she has had to be moved from the family home for her safety because her dad said some dick stuff about a dead kid.

    I feel sorry for his daughter because she has been exposed to a very ugly, ugly part of humanity because her dad said some dick stuff about a dead kid and then refused to apologise.

    I feel sorry for his daughter because by all accounts she is around 15 (his words on radio) and she know knows her dad is an AAA grade douche, that’s some harsh reality to deal with at 15, your Dad is a flawed human who has put me in danger, her first week back at school will be fun and that is not fair on her because of her dads stupidity…

    Comment by andy (the other one) — January 31, 2014 @ 9:21 pm

  38. “Generals and gentlemen do not dirty their hands”.

    It’s as if the whole of human history has passed Rsingers by. For a beginners’ course, start with the concept of “good cop, bad cop …”

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — January 31, 2014 @ 9:21 pm

  39. I should also add he probably doesn’t have a lot of dosh right now, after the failure of The Truth and the halting of his unemployment insurance.

    Judith might sling something his way.

    Comment by Joe W — January 31, 2014 @ 9:25 pm

  40. Actually I’m glad someone mentioned the Darwin Awards. Am I a po-faced humourless sod for not finding them at all funny? Every time I read about some sexual experiment gone hilariously/tragically wrong, I just imagine the mortification of the grieving relatives. There’s dark humour and then there’s just bilious gloating joy in the misfortunes (however richly deserved) of others. I do think that what Slater does is no worse than what Wendy Northcutt and the DA folks get up to, though I think that’s quite bad enough.

    Comment by Higgs Boatswain — January 31, 2014 @ 10:22 pm

  41. “The commenters [on Kiwiblog & Whaleoil] are mostly disturbed, vindictive, nasty, ignorant pricks.”

    Even though they are regarded as “right wing” blogs, most of the posts & discussions/ comments are tailored to the progressive paradigm. I had a disagreement with some Young Nats a day or so ago. They spoke and behaved in exactly the same offensive collectivist pig ignorant terms as those who are perceived as left wing. The problem is progressive culture- a blanket of spiritless barbarity smothering the real and traditional NZ.

    Comment by Redbaiter — January 31, 2014 @ 10:39 pm

  42. I haven’t read WhaleOil in years. The guy is sick in the head. He’s worse than Paul Henry, who I also avoid experiencing.

    Comment by Steve W — January 31, 2014 @ 10:43 pm

  43. At one time, I used to visit WhaleOil’s blog reasonably often. Back then, his articles were often worth a read. What finally put me off was the comment threads; there’s only so much of that sort of thing I could tolerate. In recent times, I’ve visited rarely, but my impression from such occasional visits is that the crap in the comments has backflowed into the articles themselves, to a much greater degree than I remember being the case a few years ago.

    Unfortunately, the threat of rape directed at his daughter is a bog-standard response on the part of a particular section of the male population, when its sensibilities have been offended. And it reflects very badly on such men. Why they don’t leave his daughter out of it and direct such threats against the Whale himself, I’m damned if I know.

    Comment by D'Esterre — January 31, 2014 @ 11:09 pm

  44. “The problem is progressive culture – a blanket of spiritless barbarity smothering the real and traditional NZ”

    right on

    Comment by Sacha — January 31, 2014 @ 11:18 pm

  45. “Why they don’t leave his daughter out of it and direct such threats against the Whale himself, I’m damned if I know”

    If his bottom is anything like his face, I have a fair idea.

    Comment by Sacha — January 31, 2014 @ 11:19 pm

  46. It is indeed a shame that someone out there gave Slater something to focus on regarding why he views himself as a victim in this instance. I doubt many (if any) people thought threats towards his family were decent. From Slater’s warped perspective though – anyone who doesn’t agree with his actions must be a supporter of rape threats against his daughter.

    No. That simply is not the truth. Threats against his daughter were terrible, but that doesn’t excuse his own behaviour and he seems to think it does.

    He also seems to be under the impression that disagreeing with him amounts to stigmatising individuals with mental illness. I can’t count how many times i have seen him respond to someone with “and nice compassion there for sufferers of depression wonder what @themikeking thinks about that” (a response to someone calling his views bigoted) or something similar mentioning MIke King like he thinks it is King’s job to run to his defence just because he does a lot of work in Mental Health. Why does Cameron feel the need to try to drag good people in to his fights that he brings on himself and hide behind people like King? Why does he think that anyone who disagrees with him is doing more than that – just disagreeing with him and his values – but instead is condoning rape threats or stigmatising mental illness?

    I have come to the point where i feel sorry for Slater. Everytime he comes to my attention i find myself wondering “What went wrong for Cameron Slater?” I liken it to road rage and the thoughts i have when someone is pounding on their horn and waving a finger in the air; you just know that person is having a really bad day and have to wonder what has gone wrong to make them so intolerant and angry. It is a very distressed and unhappy individual who thinks the happiest he can ever be or the most joy he can attain in life is when he is putting others down. fighting defamation cases, having his face on the news because people have had an emotive reation to his insults and threatened him, having to move his family around while playing with his guns, and getting to scream all over the internet about what a victim he is.

    I seriously doubt Cameron has any idea what real happiness is, and that is really sad. I doubt the psychologist who suggested he blog has ever used that as a therapeutic approach since.

    Comment by Jackie Sperling (@SperlingJackie) — February 1, 2014 @ 7:42 am

  47. “If his bottom is anything like his face, I have a fair idea.”

    What do you mean by that Sascha? It sounds like a personal insult at his appearance. Surely one can find flaws in Slater’s behaviour that one needn’t stoop to these kinds of things?

    Comment by lefty — February 1, 2014 @ 12:45 pm

  48. That Hitler guy was pretty controversial too.
    There are controversial subjects, those are the best ones, but controversial people?
    People are mainly called controversial these days when there is something wrong with their conduct.

    Comment by xx — February 1, 2014 @ 1:34 pm

  49. Helen Clark once referred to a group of people as feral. I think she’d have a lot of empathy with Slater.

    Comment by Ross — February 1, 2014 @ 2:52 pm

  50. Of course if you don’t like Slater it might be better if you don’t frequent his site.

    Comment by Ross — February 1, 2014 @ 2:58 pm

  51. Danyl, I entirely agree with your substantive post. Well said.

    Comment by psbwilliams — February 1, 2014 @ 3:01 pm

  52. Helen Clark once referred to a group of people as feral.

    No. She didn’t. Go search out the actual quote, then return.

    I think she’d have a lot of empathy with Slater.

    Really? I don’t think she’d spare even the briefest moment to think about him.

    Of course if you don’t like Slater it might be better if you don’t frequent his site.

    That’s good advice. But this post isn’t just about how crap Slater is. It’s also about the fact that a whole lot of “serious” or “important” people seem to be unable (or unwilling) to see how awful he is, and treat him as being a useful addition to the media landscape (instead of a narcissistic, ethically-challenged person who responds to attention by behaving in an even worse fashion.)

    Comment by Flashing Light — February 1, 2014 @ 4:21 pm

  53. I too find it strange that he is a regular guest on various shows.
    This is the guy who had web pages of women in pornographic poses with Helen Clarke’ s head photoshopped on to them. He is one sick individual.

    Comment by middxkea — February 1, 2014 @ 6:11 pm

  54. and Helen Clark :-)

    Comment by middxkea — February 1, 2014 @ 6:12 pm

  55. Very good post Danyl. The guy is so sick that I wouldn’t be surprised if he has made up the death threats himself. I would really like this post to be the last thing I ever read or hear about Cameron Slater, He epitomizes what’s wrong with many in our parliament and community.

    Comment by Mongoose — February 1, 2014 @ 6:51 pm

  56. Slater’s a sociopath who posts anything that will attract traffic and a failure as a human being.

    Mostly I pity him and his family.

    Comment by che tibby — February 1, 2014 @ 7:01 pm

  57. @Ross: That’s actually where Slater gets his “feral” meme from – he’s trying to attract attention to Clark’s quote to make people get angry at her. It’s like DPF constantly trying to get people talking about whether or not Labour “accepts” Philip Taito Field’s conviction.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — February 1, 2014 @ 9:21 pm

  58. I’d say the mirror flip of photoshopping Helen Clark’s head onto a porn star’s body would probably be invoking the anti-Semitic Shylock stereotype against John Key. If anyone did that, they’d be quickly and rightly shot down as a fringe lunatic.

    So why is it that the Oily One seemingly has the power of a parliamentary upper house? As I’ve earlier mentioned, it’s probably not money. He’s likely well-connected, and he has an uncanny ability to repackage his worldview to the so-called silent majority. Think the wedge politics of Karl Rove, Lynton Crosby, or Lee Atwater. In particular, Atwater neatly summed it up:


    “You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”


    Comment by deepred — February 2, 2014 @ 1:02 am

  59. To me this material marks Slater out as an obvious sociopath, someone so horribly damaged that all you can do is pity them and ignore them. Right?
    Hugs, apparently. I mean, if you were inclined to help the man out and let him feel more connected to society. Not picking on him when he gets death threats and stuff. Bad when he’s bad, victim when he’s a victim. Happens to nicer folk than him, shouldn’t happen at all.

    So I find it a little weird that so many other people read Slater’s site and don’t have a problem with how deranged it is. The Justice Minister Judith Collins is a huge fan; the Prime Minister’s office supply him with content. He’s a regular guest on various talk-back radio shows. Duncan Garner and Sean Plunket appear to be WhaleOil fans. The Herald’s media columnist John Drinnan routinely links to his site.
    Why would a sociopath have a problem with a sociopath? He’s just saying what they all really feel. Or was that the joke and I missed it? Because Collins and Garner are pretty obvious, eh.

    Comment by tussock — February 2, 2014 @ 2:51 am

  60. Slater’s no Karl Rove.

    And I think we should hesitate before throwing around terms like “sociopath”, unless we are qualified pyschologists who have engaged with these subjects in a sustained clinical setting, which I severely doubt.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — February 2, 2014 @ 3:33 am

  61. I’d say the mirror flip of photoshopping Helen Clark’s head onto a porn star’s body would probably be invoking the anti-Semitic Shylock stereotype against John Key. If anyone did that, they’d be quickly and rightly shot down as a fringe lunatic.

    Comment by david paul — February 2, 2014 @ 7:15 am

  62. well, here’s the thing. slater’s behaviour over the years clearly marks him out as having some deep-seated issues. ‘sociopath’ is probably the kindest term any non-expert can put on him. my first awareness of slater was the time he went into lurid detail about how he was planning to stalk and murder someone who called him a mean name online. the other dude was kacking himself, and slater had absolutely no sympathy for him or understanding of his own actions.

    i’m trying to remember if that was the action that led russell brown to out “whaleoil”.

    and afaik much of his cache with the nzl right-wing seems to stem from his father, who is by all accounts a stand-up bloke.

    Comment by Che Tibby — February 2, 2014 @ 8:17 am

  63. @55: I think you’ll find the death threats are genuine. If only you all had the love and compassion of Bill Roache…

    Comment by Ross — February 2, 2014 @ 8:30 am

  64. @59: You can’t seem to get your head round how Slater can appear on radio shows. It’s fairly simple – he says what he thinks what his audience wants to hear. The audience may be different in each situation. But online he has considerably more freedom to do what he wants – he doesn’t have that freedom on radio.

    Comment by Ross — February 2, 2014 @ 8:37 am

  65. Btw just a few months ago Russell Brown interviewed Slater on his televised media show. They had a polite and convivial discussion. Surely, if Slater was little better than David Bain, Brown wouldn’t have touched Slater with a 40 foot barge pole?

    Comment by Ross — February 2, 2014 @ 8:44 am

  66. If we want to be as infantile as Cameron Slater, then his name is rather ‘non-traditional’ too. Cameron is most usually a surname (as it should really be John Elton), whilst Slater is a small, crawling insect.

    Comment by extremecloseup — February 2, 2014 @ 8:44 am

  67. @Ross: Is Russell Brown some kind of limitless wellspring of legitimacy now?

    Comment by kalvarnsen — February 2, 2014 @ 8:59 am

  68. In the course of investigating a crime, a detective is driving a possible witness around a rural area in an attempt to refresh his memory. As they’re speeding along the local says “Did you see the 29 bullet holes in that give way sign?”
    Back at the station the cop tells his superior “I’ve just met someone with a genuine photographic memory”.
    “Bullshit”, replies the chief, “If he says there are 21 bullet holes then he probably put them there”.

    The only way that Ross could be 100% certain that Whale’s claimed death threats are genuine would be if he was the one who made them.

    Comment by Joe W — February 2, 2014 @ 9:16 am

  69. Is Russell Brown some kind of limitless wellspring of legitimacy now?

    Can I use that on my cv?

    Comment by Russell Brown — February 2, 2014 @ 10:32 am

  70. @Ross: Is Russell Brown some kind of limitless wellspring of legitimacy now?

    You tell me. For an alleged sociopath, Slater doesn’t have a shortage of punters wanting to interview him. What does that say about them?

    Comment by Ross — February 2, 2014 @ 4:35 pm

  71. For an alleged sociopath, Slater doesn’t have a shortage of punters wanting to interview him. What does that say about them?

    That being the point of Danyl’s post.

    Do you read them before commenting?

    Comment by Flashing Light — February 2, 2014 @ 5:41 pm

  72. I’m putting my money on Ross being slater.

    Comment by che tibby — February 2, 2014 @ 7:31 pm

  73. Ask him about his personal life and see how sensitive he gets – somehow he doesn’t see life as a two-way street.

    Comment by bigb2013 — February 2, 2014 @ 9:43 pm

  74. You tell me. For an alleged sociopath, Slater doesn’t have a shortage of punters wanting to interview him. What does that say about them?

    He was the new editor of Truth at the time, which was interesting. He gave a fairly good account of himself on the programme, although I’m sure he has since regretted admitting that he takes PR money to run particular lines on the blog.

    Comment by Russell Brown — February 2, 2014 @ 10:19 pm

  75. Funnily enough I’ve seen the same argument run for both DPF and Slater in this comments thread .- “I/Russell Brown had a conversation with him that was polite and civil, how bad can he bed”?

    It’s quite charitable to assume we should judge somebody on their best moment, but even so, my problem with each of them isn’t their lack of civility.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — February 2, 2014 @ 10:24 pm

  76. He was the new editor of Truth at the time, which was interesting. He gave a fairly good account of himself on the programme

    Which kind of proves the point I made above that he tailors his comments to suit his audience. Which might explain why some, including you, are happy to interview him.

    Comment by Ross — February 3, 2014 @ 10:39 am

  77. I’m sure he has since regretted admitting that he takes PR money to run particular lines on the blog.

    Russell: “Have you ever demanded money from PR companies to run certain lines?” Cameron: “Absolutely.”

    Those two statement are not the same.

    Comment by Ross — February 3, 2014 @ 10:45 am

  78. I find it amazing that some people are still so one eyed they insult left politically people whilst defending their self appointed expert. Certainly this is further proof that the Path New Zealand has been taken down is further from the once great society we had and more to one that is based on greed and relies on people being self absorbed. We lhave lost our world class health care and free education is a thing of the past and we sit silent hoping the lies of the trickle down economic theory will come to fruition.
    The fat pharqer Whale Oil is a bully. When people stand up to him, he whinges and whines. He feels no remorse for the lies and insulting comments his blog has made in the past and deserves no second thoughts from the rest of New Zealand.

    Comment by David Curl — February 5, 2014 @ 7:42 am

  79. You are not crazy. Slater is a bottom feeder.

    Today’s revelations reflect rather badly on Mr Key I’d have to say

    Comment by Vanilla Thrilla (@Vanilla_Thrilla) — February 14, 2014 @ 4:11 pm

  80. “Today’s revelations reflect rather badly on Mr Key I’d have to say”

    I’d like to think so, but unfortunately given the climate of opinion in New Zealand at the moment it’s probably a badge of honour.

    Comment by Chris — February 14, 2014 @ 4:54 pm

  81. Russell Brown had a conversation with him that was polite and civil, how bad can he be?

    Russel Brown is the kind if liberal hypocrite who’ll make every excuse for the worst of the right while condemning anyone on the left for being “impolite”.

    Comment by Rhinocrates — February 15, 2014 @ 3:32 pm


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