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August 13, 2014

Dirty politics

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 7:00 pm

I will blog on it at length later, but after a speed read the big reveals are: 

1. The Prime Minister’s office hacked into Labour’s servers, obtaining information about its donors and membership, passed the information onto Cameron Slater and then lied about it. 

2. The Prime Minister’s office told Slater to OIA classified SIS documents, then had the SIS declassify them and released to Slater. 

If substantiated – and Hager’s book is based on correspondence between Cameron Slater and one of Key’s senior staffers – then the scale of the abuse of power is unprecedented, and there will need to be a transparent independent investigation into the Prime Minister’s office. 

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34 Comments »

  1. Is Paula Rebstock busy?

    Comment by Fooman — August 13, 2014 @ 7:05 pm

  2. “then the scale of the abuse of power is unprecedented, and there will need to be a transparent independent investigation into the Prime Minister’s office. ”

    As in Hackgate or Watergate-level power abuse?

    Comment by deepred — August 13, 2014 @ 7:08 pm

  3. Lots of fun to be had now with the Whale Oil Blog….

    What links these 5 things?

    Hmmm… State intimidation and gaslighting?

    Comment by Crowdog — August 13, 2014 @ 7:17 pm

  4. Mike Hosking has already told us it’s no big deal (Mike Hosking has not read the book, but he knows).

    The “transparent independent investigation” will take place after the election, be run by David Carter or the GCSB guy, and result in Key taking firm action i.e. Jason Ede resigning, to take up a previously arranged lucrative lobbying job.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 13, 2014 @ 7:26 pm

  5. A firm denial from Slater in 2011 regarding any Nat involvement in the Labour server affair: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/06/labour-leaks-how-i-did-it/

    Suddenly a particular track from “Never Mind the Bollocks” springs to mind.

    Comment by Simon — August 13, 2014 @ 8:03 pm

  6. Nicky hager writes a book essentially suggesting that politics is dirty. Hmm. Perhaps his next title will be Shock-tastic expose – Rain really is wet! – or Astonishing revelation – Lawyers charge too much!

    Labour’s attack dog barks at National’s Attack dog and we are supposed to be outraged? Since when did stating the bleeding obvious become newsworthy?

    Comment by K Johnson — August 13, 2014 @ 8:15 pm

  7. The Prime Minister’s office hacked into Labour’s servers, obtaining information about its donors and membership, passed the information onto Cameron Slater and then lied about it.

    Shit. That’s fucking crazy.

    Comment by George — August 13, 2014 @ 8:27 pm

  8. Staggering really, Had no idea that WO & KB were to be taken that seriously. Though to be fair nothing on the left looks remotely serious either.

    If any of this is true then Key needs to go. Too bad Hager couldnt have released the book 6 mths ago.

    Comment by Simon — August 13, 2014 @ 8:30 pm

  9. “If any of this is true”

    With the source being a partisan leftist activist like Hagar, why would you ever doubt it?

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 13, 2014 @ 8:37 pm

  10. Except, that’s not the source.

    Problem for the dismissers and distracters: the documents can be dismissed as stolen OR invented. But not both. Need to sort out the memo on this one.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 13, 2014 @ 8:41 pm

  11. Problem for the dismissers and distracters: the documents can be dismissed as stolen OR invented. But not both. Need to sort out the memo on this one.

    Maybe Slater invented everything as part of a masturbatory game he plays with his fellow House of Cards wannabes, then the stuff got stolen? Then ‘Baiter could eat his cake and have it, too.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 13, 2014 @ 9:08 pm

  12. Let’s hope it wasn’t a soggy biscuit he eded up eating….

    Ps the ‘hack’ into labour’s servers was no such thing, if it’s the one that’s on public record. I hope that inflation is not typical.

    Comment by insider — August 13, 2014 @ 9:19 pm

  13. If substantiated – and Hager’s book is based on correspondence between Cameron Slater and one of Key’s senior staffers – then the scale of the abuse of power is unprecedented, and there will need to be a transparent independent investigation into the Prime Minister’s office.

    And it may also prove that Cameron Slater is a pathological fantasist with a severely distorted idea of his own importance and abilities. But to be fair, it may also be perfectly true Labour HQ is so fucking incompetent they can’t secure their own membership and donor records and I look forward to Tim Barnett being asked precisely that on Morning Report tomorrow.

    Comment by cranapia — August 13, 2014 @ 9:37 pm

  14. Craig is feels widely implausible that you’re actually trying to run obstruction here. Is that what you’re doing?

    Comment by prgcnt — August 13, 2014 @ 9:48 pm

  15. “it may also be perfectly true Labour HQ is so fucking incompetent they can’t secure their own membership and donor records”

    As insider says above, that’s already in the public record. If that’s a key part of the book then few will be impressed.

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 13, 2014 @ 9:50 pm

  16. Some hacker. Didn’t manage to expose Cunliffe’s secret trusts. I’d hazard a guess if what Hager asserts were true, Slater would have beenshouting these from the roof tops.

    Comment by Lee Clark — August 13, 2014 @ 9:54 pm

  17. Ps the ‘hack’ into labour’s servers was no such thing, if it’s the one that’s on public record. I hope that inflation is not typical.

    From Dirty Tricks, pp 32 and 35

    The details of the plan were worked out between Slater and Ede in the final days before the launch. The computer logs show them both accessing the Labour site on 7 June, Ede … arriving at 10.11 pm and Slater (who forgot to disguise his home IP address) two minutes later at 10.13 pm. Then on 10 June, just two days before the attack was launched, they to-ed and fro-ed by email, working out which bits of the Labour information Slater should emphasize.

    The next day, 14 June, Ede and Slater exchanged several emails expressing their relief that Labour had not discovered Ede’s role. Ede wrote: ‘An interesting sidebar in Pagani’s story is that they’re chasing us by matching IP neighbouroods and types of computer we use. You stand out like dogs balls because of your damn Mac!!!!!’ He continued, ’In my case I wish to offer a hearty sigh of relief and celebrate dynamic IP addresses.’

    You also might like to consider this:

    Crimes Act, s.252: Accessing computer system without authorisation

    (1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally accesses, directly or indirectly, any computer system without authorisation, knowing that he or she is not authorised to access that computer system, or being reckless as to whether or not he or she is authorised to access that computer system.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 13, 2014 @ 9:59 pm

  18. “…Craig is feels widely implausible that you’re actually trying to run obstruction here. Is that what you’re doing..?”

    Yup. It’s all crumbling for PA’s useful Tory.

    As it happens, it seems Slater knows the game is up – http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10376693/Hager-Book-exposes-National-attack-politics

    “… Slater recently arrived in Korea but offered a post on his Whale Oil blog for his readers to chat about the book.

    “It is of course likely to be a very single-sided affair, and a direct attack on the government to hurt it at election time. What is being framed here is only one side of politics in New Zealand. Hager conveniently appears to avoid what happens on the left.

    “But that’s ok,” Slater wrote. “Nothing changes…”

    Which by the omission of a denial seems to me to be an admission the book is correct, and he can’t flat out lie about it (like he flat out lied about taking tobacco money) because he doesn’t know how much evidence Hager’s got.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 13, 2014 @ 9:59 pm

  19. So if Hager has documentary evidence that Slater publishes paid PR material under his own name, penned by industry lobbyists for alcohol, tobacco etc – will Slater lose his court case that he is a journalist and doesn’t have to declare his sources?

    That would be fun!

    Comment by MeToo — August 13, 2014 @ 9:59 pm

  20. Here’s one of Slaters posts about the donor list http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/06/labour-leaks-how-i-did-it/
    I’m no fan of Slater but Hagar has written two books based on stuff stolen off peoples computers, yet he’s complaining about the govt being able to access peoples private emails .

    Comment by Del Griffith — August 13, 2014 @ 10:01 pm

  21. I’m no fan of Slater but Hagar has written two books based on stuff stolen off peoples computers, yet he’s complaining about the govt being able to access peoples private emails.

    Is Nicky Hager a nation state able to deploy vast resources to hoover up information from large numbers of individuals, the vast majority of whom have no reason to be spied on at all? No? Then perhaps the comparison isn’t a very good one to make.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 13, 2014 @ 10:10 pm

  22. @Del Griffith — August 13, 2014 @ 10:01 pm – Flashing light’s post at 9.59pm points out that as far as the law of the land is concerned, Slater and the PM’s number one advisor at the very heart of the Key government have committed an offense under Crimes Act, s.252. It is simply impossible to believe that John Key didn’t know what Ede was up to.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 13, 2014 @ 10:15 pm

  23. Did I say he was? If he’s concerned with peoples privacy then why does he think Cameron the Hutt is not entitled to not have his computer accessed and the results published as a book?

    Comment by Del Griffith — August 13, 2014 @ 10:16 pm

  24. “I’m no fan of Slater but Hagar has written two books based on stuff stolen off peoples computers”

    Well, Matt Bloomfeild would probably have a comment or two on that issue.

    Comment by Redbaiter — August 13, 2014 @ 10:17 pm

  25. Sanctuary, that post was addressing Flashing Light post not yours.

    Comment by Del Griffith — August 13, 2014 @ 10:18 pm

  26. If he’s concerned with peoples privacy then why does he think Cameron the Hutt is not entitled to not have his computer accessed and the results published as a book?

    Read Hager’s discussion of this issue here: http://proseotalk.sharedby.co/rymPDj

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 13, 2014 @ 10:29 pm

  27. @ flashing

    Given that neither slater nor Keith ng and his friend have faced even the threat of prosecution for their actions, I suspect the law is being interpreted slightly differently. It’s like being in a public space and going through a door with no lock, no signs and taking a look around. I’m not sure a website can be considered non public in the absence of passwords. Is that unauthorised entry? I don’t recall any prosecutions using this law (but open to there having been many -does the recent Watchorn case count?)

    Comment by insider — August 13, 2014 @ 10:49 pm

  28. @prgcnt & @sanctuary:

    Oh, bugger off. I’m personally delighted you now find everything Slater says to be gospel, but having been on the receiving end of his malignant fictions I’ve got cause to not believe a word he say without independent confirmation.

    Comment by cranapia — August 13, 2014 @ 11:34 pm

  29. I knew there was something suspicious going on when everyone at my house received addressed postcards from Paula Bennett last election, except for me (Labour donor at the time). Now I know why.

    Comment by halfaglassdarkly — August 13, 2014 @ 11:42 pm

  30. Danyl,

    You are assuming much.
    1. Wrong, dead wrong, so wrong it isn’t funny. Unlike Hager and his hacking the Labour website was wide open, and the perosn who told me about it was a labour staffer not anyone from the PMs office.
    2.Wrong again. I put in the OIA about the SIS, and Hager hasn’t published the emails attempting to get me to withdraw it, and of course the intimidating phone calls I got telling me to withdraw it.

    Comment by whaleoil — August 14, 2014 @ 6:48 am

  31. Hey … whaleoil has just told us the truth, OK? And because there is no evidence whatsoever that this guy is a liar, we all should just shut up now.

    Seeing as you’re cruising the blogs from Israel? Korea? Your Dad’s house?, perhaps you’d like to comment on the messages you shared with Jason Ede about how to get the stuff off Labour and how best to use it to embarrass that party? Or tell us who tipped you off what to ask the SIS about?

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 14, 2014 @ 7:21 am

  32. slater runs a sewer which has blown a valve and sprayed stinky blue shit all over the prime ministers office.

    With slater I I could never make up my mind whether he was a malingering bludger ripping off his insurance company while running his blog ( in the early days ), or if he was mentally unbalanced in a most horrible way.

    Probably a bit of both ……..

    I heard a rumor that cannon are recalling their recent trophy to him and instead are going to mount a camera onto one of john keys shoes and award this to him ………… This new trophy will of course be known as ‘ the shoe cam’.

    You have to be a sneaky sleazy two faced bully to be eligible for it and slater is expected to hold this trophy for quite some time.

    p.s for a heavy fella with short legs I heard he runs real fast from west coasters.

    Comment by reason — August 14, 2014 @ 8:56 pm

  33. reason: you might say that there’s so much whale oil leaking out of the burst sewer, it’s starting to go rancid.

    Comment by Kumara Republic (@kumararepublic) — August 14, 2014 @ 9:00 pm

  34. Gosh – do you guys email your mothers with those keyboards?

    Comment by LeeC — August 15, 2014 @ 2:43 pm


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