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August 13, 2014

Nicky Hager Spin Bingo

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 1:42 pm

Let’s see how many times the Prime Minister, Steven Joyce and National’s media mouthpieces can clock this over the next seventy-two hours. 

bingo

 

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36 Comments »

  1. Don’t recall. Haven’t been briefed. We’ve already commented.There’s no evidence.

    There you go, a whole new row.

    Comment by Stephen J — August 13, 2014 @ 1:46 pm

  2. Given the difficulties Obama faces in Iraq at the moment you could add “Minor Distraction”.

    Comment by NeilM — August 13, 2014 @ 1:47 pm

  3. If Hagers book is indeed about GCSB and or Five eyes I would suggest all they need to do is hold up the photo of an Australian child grasping a severed head. I am sure that will serve quite well if they want to further empower the security services to do whatever they want without the bulk of the country batting an eyelid.

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — August 13, 2014 @ 1:51 pm

  4. When you get a whole row, you yell out “LOOK I’M COMPLETELY RELAXED ABOUT THIS!!!”

    Comment by Michael — August 13, 2014 @ 1:55 pm

  5. Yes, something along the lines of “we collude with the evil Obama” might not get much traction.

    Comment by NeilM — August 13, 2014 @ 1:58 pm

  6. Barnsley Bill, all that would do would would be to show they are too busy archiving screen shots of random peoples yahoo webcams to pick up massive coordinated military campaigns across thousands of people.

    Comment by Michael — August 13, 2014 @ 2:04 pm

  7. I am guessing that the line “Aww we are not really bothered with what an activist like Nicky Hager has to say akshully.”

    Comment by Rick — August 13, 2014 @ 2:15 pm

  8. Will be said at least once.

    Comment by Rick — August 13, 2014 @ 2:15 pm

  9. This article contains “left wing” and “conspiracy theorist” and the book hasn’t been released yet.

    Comment by mikaerecurtis — August 13, 2014 @ 2:31 pm

  10. “Where we gather intelligence either about individuals or places of interest it’s for very, very good reason and I think most New Zealanders accept we live in a complex world.”
    “Most people know that Nicky Hager is a screaming Left-wing conspiracy theorist. He’s hardly an authority on these matters . . . I’m not terribly worried.”

    Comment by Gregor W — August 13, 2014 @ 2:35 pm

  11. “Where we gather intelligence either about individuals or places of interest it’s for very, very good reason and I think most New Zealanders accept we live in a complex world.”

    Conclusion does not follow the premise.

    This is one of those magical sentences that all the words fit together in a proper pattern,but don’t actually mean anything. What separates the wheat from the chaff among Journalists is those who can make that call in real time, and then say so.

    Comment by Michael — August 13, 2014 @ 2:40 pm

  12. How about, “Yep, Helen was in charge then.”

    Comment by Tinakori — August 13, 2014 @ 2:43 pm

  13. The selective use of intelligence is the most pertinent issue.

    Who is being served, who left in chains?

    Comment by Balmy — August 13, 2014 @ 2:49 pm

  14. “Something something irrelevant, something something distraction.”

    Comment by Auto_Immune — August 13, 2014 @ 3:30 pm

  15. If Hagers book is indeed about GCSB and or Five eyes I would suggest all they need to do is hold up the photo of an Australian child grasping a severed head. I am sure that will serve quite well if they want to further empower the security services to do whatever they want without the bulk of the country batting an eyelid.

    The old “IF THEN ” defence.

    Why do you hate me for my freedom, Barnsley Bill?

    Comment by Gregor W — August 13, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

  16. stupid HTML

    *IF (question the state) THEN (terrorism!)

    Comment by Gregor W — August 13, 2014 @ 3:42 pm

  17. That idiot Jordan Williams is hard at it on the panel. They really haven’t dealt with the Hager/Brash/hollow men thing – Farrar and co should see a grief councillor.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 13, 2014 @ 4:38 pm

  18. That was sad watching JK’s pre-release interview on Stuff. The only one I managed to tick off was ‘work of fiction’.

    So far everyone seems to be on the back foot with the revealation that it isn’t about leaked Snowden documents.

    Comment by MikeM — August 13, 2014 @ 5:54 pm

  19. Wow whaleoil is linked to the national party. Thank god we have the country’s leading investigative reporter to clear that up for us. Next week – standard linked to labour. Authors use false names to hide identity.

    He’s on natrad and sounds like a slightly deranged pete hodgson if that’s possible.

    Comment by insider — August 13, 2014 @ 6:26 pm

  20. joy

    Comment by CnrJoe — August 13, 2014 @ 6:30 pm

  21. News headline: “Political commentator Farrar/Hooton/Slater/usual says there is nothing new in these politically-motivated allegations …”

    And here to discuss the news headline we have a panel, comprising political commentator Farrar/Hooton/Slater/usual and a token pseudo-liberal who will say “gosh, I dunno, politics, both sides, who to believe, eh?”.

    At no point will chair of panel (Hosking/Plunkett/Henry etc) ask Farrar/Hooton/Slater/usual simply and directly: “Is sentence X in book true or false?”. That would be flying too close to the sun.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 13, 2014 @ 6:33 pm

  22. Politician leaks to blogger – non story.

    Prime Minister leaks to blogger – good story.

    Most popular PM in the country’s history does it – bigger story.

    I think it’s not the fact a politician does a little skullduggery that is the issue – it’s the most popular PM ever doing it – and *that* popularity is central to the National Party’s campaign. This will be interesting. What will be more interesting is whether Labour can get any hits out of it. On recent form, I don’t fancy their chances.

    Comment by Nick K — August 13, 2014 @ 6:38 pm

  23. I predict a crackdown on errant and/or undeserving beneficiaries.

    Comment by Hkh75 — August 13, 2014 @ 6:41 pm

  24. “So far everyone seems to be on the back foot with the revealation that it isn’t about leaked Snowden documents.”

    Given most of Snowden’s documents would have covered a period when National was not the government it was never likely to be about them. Nicky Hager still has the local franschise on those and that is probably his next project

    Comment by Tinakori — August 13, 2014 @ 6:42 pm

  25. Thanks, insider (19), for confirming Danyl’s prediction : Clearly after a bit of indecisive too-ing and fro-ing, you’ve ultimately opted for the (1) “Everyone knew all this already” meme along with the (2) “conspiracy theorist” meme. Albeit adding a slight character-assasination twist to the latter with your “He’s slightly deranged” slur.

    Comment by swordfish — August 13, 2014 @ 6:46 pm

  26. Even if this book fails to achieve the downfall of National in of itself it could very well be the chink in the armour or pushing of the snowball that causes the sheep (sorry that’s dairy cows nowadays, isn’t it?) of this country to FINALLY take a close look at their “sexy, powerful, rich, funny, cool” leader and see what is under the thin veneer.

    A few swing voters could startle and begin a stampede. You never know – they are fickle little beasts.

    All that matters is which way they moo on election day after all and we have a few more months to go….

    Comment by Peter Tenby — August 13, 2014 @ 6:53 pm

  27. “This will be interesting. What will be more interesting is whether Labour can get any hits out of it. On recent form, I don’t fancy their chances.”

    Neither. It’s probably an interesting insight into how things work for those who might not have paid much attention until now, and maybe it’ll be a chapter in history when looking back a decade or more from now.

    As far as the election’s concerned if I was running Labour’s campaign, I’d be cautious about trying to directly focus on this. The narrative won’t end up being that the PM is untrustworthy so much as telling voters that they’ve been idiots to trust him. Few people of any persuasion would be very receptive of being told they’re an idiot. Labour’s already trying to make a big deal out of a positive campaign — no point in ruining it.

    Comment by izogi — August 13, 2014 @ 7:00 pm

  28. I wonder whether the SIS have a direct line to Slater, or whether they go through the PM or Collins, or all of the above?

    I hope Keith Ng and other clever technical people in journalism have spidered the WO site so they can match the post with Nicky and other’s timelines.

    I suspect the answer to the question does the security state spy on journalists and lawyers would become much clearer if such an investigation were to be continued!

    Comment by Groundskeepers and Motorcycles — August 13, 2014 @ 7:04 pm

  29. Labour don’t need to comment on this; let the Greens and IMP do the running. Stay Positive! Express disappointment and then move back to talking about policy. TRY NOT TO SMIRK.

    Comment by MeToo — August 13, 2014 @ 7:44 pm

  30. So Nicky Hager has written a book about how the Nasty Nats are using illegitimately obtained material to smear Labour, and will presumably make a fortune from it. Meanwhile most of the material in the book has been obtained by an anonymous hacker who attacked Slater’s website. However the dim public are not invited to ask or speculate about who the hacker might be, what relationship they have to Hager or the Labour Party…or the legality of Hager printing (presumably private) communications, ownership of which he is not entitled to…..(except he’s not in the government so maybe his spying is ok?).

    Then he has the unmitigated gall to suggest he is doing the public a service by publishing now? As if this is supposed to inform a reasoned debate? Please. Reeeally? Does Hager think the public are that stupid?

    Perhaps I will write a book for the next election. It will be short, lacking in balance or fact, but I’ll keep the content secret so I can drum up some interest and a media frenzy on an otherwise quiet Wednesday. Then I’ll publish it with some self indulgent fanfare and make a mint, to see me through for the next election cycle, before retiring to the pub. It will be entitled “The pot calls the kettle a water heating device”….ahem.

    Comment by K Johnson — August 13, 2014 @ 8:06 pm

  31. As long as it doesn’t become a drinking game.

    Comment by Ross — August 13, 2014 @ 10:31 pm

  32. “…TRY NOT TO SMIRK…”

    What about a bit of concerned trolling?

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 13, 2014 @ 10:38 pm

  33. add : ‘Not a real journalist.’

    Comment by Chris — August 14, 2014 @ 11:15 am

  34. Stolen or hacked emails and a book is written on the back of it, purporting to show protagonists colluding to pull the wool over the publics eyes? We should call this “climategate”! Sorry, I mean: Whalegate.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — August 15, 2014 @ 4:41 pm

  35. You’ve got Bingo in comment 30 alone. Well done.

    Comment by Mat — August 15, 2014 @ 7:44 pm

  36. This post made the NBR, by the way, with a caption suggesting that you were skeptical of Hager’s book yourself and these were things you were expecting to say about it.

    Comment by xy — August 27, 2014 @ 2:41 pm


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