The Dim-Post

August 14, 2014

Two points about Cameron Slater. First: Who reads this shit?

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 1:41 pm

Cameron Slater is the undisputed king of the New Zealand blogosphere (disputed). Here’s a chart of the publically available NZ blog traffic stats for August 2014, provided by Open Parachute:

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WhaleOil towers over the rest of the extremely high quality blogs in the top seven. And he has some prominent fans. The Prime Minister and Justice Minister, obviously. National Party apparatchiks Sean Plunket and Bill Ralston are huge admirers, as is the Herald’s media columnist John Drinnen. There’s a lot of love out there for the Whale.

Which is weird, because have you looked at WhaleOil recently? Jump back a few weeks to the pre-election campaign and it is a very, very weird aggregation of pet videos and other viral videos and ‘mental health breaks’, pictures of old maps, pictures of guns, proverbs, tobacco company PR (as detailed in the book), posts laughing about dead or injured children, political commentary, open threads, and cut and pasted excerpts from media stories and other bloggers. As Hager points out in his book, Slater accepts payment to smear people on his blog, which means he runs attack campaigns against random unknown individuals and tiny companies which have no interest to anyone. Who are the hundreds of thousands of people apparently reading this stuff? 

Well. One of those other bloggers Slater links to semi-regularly is me. My big traffic days are when I post a poll update and everyone links to it, or if say something mean about Labour, and both WhaleOil and Kiwiblog link to me to endorse it and someone at the Standard links to me to refute it. When someone clicks on a link at WhaleOil or Kiwiblog and ends up at the DimPost the origin shows up in my statistics. Here’s what the incoming links for the last three months look like.


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DPF and Slater have both linked to me roughly the same amount of times during that period. I guess you could argue that readers of Kiwiblog and the other right-wing blogs in that graph are more likely to click on links than WhaleOil readers, for some unknown reason, or that my site is also linked to in their side-bars, maybe? But go back and look at the traffic stats for WhaleOil in the first graph. His traffic is, supposedly, immense, towering over everyone else – but the amount of actual people clicking through from his site is tiny. 

My hypothesis is that the WhaleOil stats are gamed, somehow, and that the number of real people reading WhaleOil every day is probably in the low hundreds, mostly National and ACT activists and media elites and outraged left-wingers. Which is funny, because he’s paid very handsomely by the tobacco lobby and other industry groups to publish their PR on the basis that it’s going out to hundreds of thousands of people. 

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82 Comments »

  1. That’d be all the bots trying to brute-force hack his site.

    Comment by Michael — August 14, 2014 @ 1:49 pm

  2. It’s always looked a bit dubious to me, but I do know quite a few people who visit and even believe the stuff he posts. So maybe you’re just moving in the wrong circles?

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 1:52 pm

  3. Maybe but my Twitter feed which is for some reason strongly left wing and allows me to follow the whaleboy blog without having to bother to read it

    Comment by Ray — August 14, 2014 @ 1:54 pm

  4. I was wondering how many people actually pay him attention. My guess was – not many.

    His notoriety seems to be just within the political blogosphere. Where small numbers if people gather to be angry about each other and then presume this had greater significance for the broader public world than it really does.

    Comment by NeilM — August 14, 2014 @ 1:59 pm

  5. His notoriety seems to be just within the political blogosphere.

    Except, of course, that he is treated as a bona fide source of “real” news. The point to getting Slater to refer to something isn’t because people read Slater. It’s because the papers/TV/radio may pick it up and report it as their own story. Because death of real journalism, etc, etc.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 14, 2014 @ 2:06 pm

  6. And this surprises you why?

    Comment by nzlemming — August 14, 2014 @ 2:12 pm

  7. Dunno.

    If I look at WOBH ‘Backchat’ thread of July 31st (not too closely I hasten to add), I see that thread had 446 responses. Kiwiblog’s ‘General Debate’ thread on the same date had only 283. Thus it does appear that there might be more activity in Slater’s blog in general. We’ll not comment on the quality of that activity (primarily because I can’t be bothered reading it).

    Comment by Michael — August 14, 2014 @ 2:14 pm

  8. Perhaps it is that the people on his blog are lumbering, racist knuckle draggers who don’t give much weight to investigating evidence for themselves?

    But this particular piece of information would be far more interesting to his advertisers than to the general public.

    It would be nice if one of the side effects of this was that his site loses its funding….

    Comment by Peter Tenby — August 14, 2014 @ 2:34 pm

  9. Comment numbers can be misleading. The Standard has high comment numbers but they are all made by a dozen tin foil hat wearing shut ins. It is the same at Whaleoil, maybe twenty overweight middle aged men, who still live with their Mums, make all the noise.

    Comment by King Kong — August 14, 2014 @ 2:36 pm

  10. 446 responses but most likely from a small number of people? Haven’t been there but that’s the pattern I’ve seen on other sites.

    Comment by NeilM — August 14, 2014 @ 2:38 pm

  11. I was involved with website that was the subject of media attention for a short period of time.

    Based on logs, it was clear that about 18 journalists were running software to monitor our website for news. They scanned several pages on our website every 15 mins or so, alerting them to changes.

    There was nothing wrong with that. It certainly bumped up our traffic for 2 or 3 weeks.

    I imagine a significant amount of Whaleoil’s traffic comes from the same source -journalists, politicians automated monitoring of the site for updates.

    Comment by Grae — August 14, 2014 @ 2:43 pm

  12. Or perhaps Whale’s readers have a reasonable spread of blogs they visit as a matter of course (ie in their ‘favourites’) and don’t often click through links. Of course there is always the possibility that the likes of Peter Tenby (No. 8 above) add little to the intellect of the argument and render your blog less relevant by their existence here.
    Just sayin’ …

    Comment by DavidW — August 14, 2014 @ 2:52 pm

  13. The open parachute data includes international visitors?

    I think that the game is that much of whale oil’s content is bait to get assorted outraged, right-wing weirdos, and people who like pet videos, (and possibly bots) from an international audience to click through to his site. Few of this audience is actually interested in NZ politics so don’t bother subsequently on-clicking any links he posts to commie-lefty blogs like your own.

    Comment by RJL — August 14, 2014 @ 2:58 pm

  14. Wouldn’t they just use an RSS feed reader? Seems funny to scrape the site.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 3:18 pm

  15. Could you do it by a limited DDOS attack on yourself?

    Comment by rickrowling — August 14, 2014 @ 3:26 pm

  16. In theory, yes. In practice I’m assuming that, since there’s money at stake, that the people who sell advertising (aka Google) are smarter at tracking clicks than Slater would be at faking them. If not, he’d be making a fortune working for the Russian Mafia, since those guys spend inordinate amounts of money and time creating fake identities to achieve the same end. I suppose Slater could be paying the Russian Mafia to make fake traffic for him though, since they’re pretty much the experts on it. Can’t imagine it’d be cheap to do that, does he have sources of money that would allow that?

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 3:31 pm

  17. Google don’t tell us what they know though. And Slater’s pretty keen to sell ads direct/take direct payments, which would indicate Google’s not paying a huge amount.

    Comment by Keir Leslie — August 14, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

  18. But don’t the traffic stats similarly come from an organisation that specialises in accurately tracking statistics? Surely if they were that easy to game everyone would be doing it? Unless we’re claiming that Slater is some sort of tech mastermind, which I guess is possible, but didn’t immediately jump to mind for me.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 3:53 pm

  19. My hypothesis is that the WhaleOil stats are gamed, somehow, and that the number of real people reading WhaleOil every day is probably in the low hundreds, mostly National and ACT activists and media elites and outraged left-wingers.

    Open Parachute’s stats are built from publicly visible SiteMeter stats, and without those stats being publicly visible the site won’t be included in the list…. which is why you can click the SiteMeter link at the bottom of his site and see details of the last 100 visitors — about 30 to 45 seconds worth of traffic as I look at it right now.

    I don’t think SiteMeter makes the raw details publicly visible for any more than the last 100 hits (maybe it does to the account holder if they pay for it), but if someone wanted to investigate this further, then I guess they could try scripting something to download and parse all the full details every few seconds, then start analysing data like IP addressesto figure out if anything looks dodgy.

    Comment by MikeM — August 14, 2014 @ 3:57 pm

  20. Slater receives money from the tobacco industry to say nice things about them, I don’t read his blog but I can believe that. Karl Du Fresne and kiwiblog I do read, they write pieces about “wowsers” trying to lower the legal limit and change licensing hours . I always thought they were weird things to write about particularly given our drink driving stats , they look a bit different now.

    Comment by Del Griffith — August 14, 2014 @ 4:01 pm

  21. And the first two articles right now on kiwiblog are opposing warning labels on alcohol in the uk and labour might raise the drinking age. I swear I didn’t look at that site before my previous post.

    Comment by Del Griffith — August 14, 2014 @ 4:05 pm

  22. @MikeM: and of course, said script would bump up his hit count because it visited the page every few minutes? :-)

    @Del Griffith: sorry, I don’t get with the story there on alcohol. DPF is a known drinker who spends quite a bit of time with young people. I think he just doesn’t like wowsers. And for the record, the actual statistics suggest that problem drinking has reduced (or at worst remained static) since the drinking age was reduced. And lowering the legal driving limit would have a very large impact on people in rural areas with no evidence at all that it would reduce accidents, or that said reduction in accidents would outweigh the reduction in benefit from people drinking. Visit Eric Crampton sometime.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 4:07 pm

  23. Ah Eric Crampton — unbribeable, but considering what he’ll do for free, why would you bother?

    Comment by John Lee — August 14, 2014 @ 4:11 pm

  24. If you apply Occam’s Razor the simplest explanation is there is something wrong with Open Parachute. I didn’t think that was actually news to anyone.

    Comment by R Singers — August 14, 2014 @ 4:11 pm

  25. @PaulL, I don’t think so because you’d be pulling the data from the info pages at sitemeter.com, not from whaleoil.co.nz.

    It could be an interesting thing to check out. I don’t have the time combined with the technical skills and a deep enough interest.

    Comment by MikeM — August 14, 2014 @ 4:14 pm

  26. @John Lee: Right, you don’t like him, but do you have actual problems with his work? I actually admire him for speaking out about the appalling uses of statistics that some public health advocates get up to.

    @R Singers/MikeM: Ultimately I think the problem is that people put so much store in “most visited website” or whatever the claim is. It shouldn’t matter – the question is whether he has anything worth saying. I don’t generally visit because I find some of the things he does to be beyond the pale, and don’t really want to reward that. Logically if he wasn’t doing anything of interest it would make no difference how much traffic or clicks he claimed, nobody would bother reporting it. Unless you’re saying our vaunted media are just blindly copying stuff they think is popular without applying any critical thinking….perish the thought!!!

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 4:30 pm

  27. If the tobacco lobby are spending their money to get stuff posted on a blog that doesn’t have as many real viewers as they think it does, why would you want to alert them to this fact? Do you find it morally offensive that tobacco industry shills may not be getting their money’s worth?

    Comment by Can of Worms, Opened — August 14, 2014 @ 4:45 pm

  28. @PaulL: “Ultimately I think the problem is that people put so much store in “most visited website” or whatever the claim is. It shouldn’t matter – the question is whether he has anything worth saying.”

    I agree, and every time I’ve tried to read that blog I’ve gotten lost and found it hard to follow, but I’m not everyone. Yet the stats do matter to some people whether it’s those who pay him to write stuff (effectively funding what he does), or certain influential people in the media who hang off his every word and present him as being more important and at the centre of things than he might really be. The nature of what’s behind the stats he generates would be an interesting thing to know, because whether they should or not, they make a big contribution to his influence.

    Comment by MikeM — August 14, 2014 @ 4:46 pm

  29. IF he is gaming the stats, then it won’t be anything as simple as hitting it using a script from a single IP address, I’m assuming that wouldn’t be enough. If that’s the case, then I’m not sure how you’d take the information from the site meter and turn it into the conclusion that the traffic was gamed. Presumably it’d just look like lots of different IP addresses hitting the site.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 4:53 pm

  30. I would assume he uses a click farm, possibly financed by some of his wealthy mates.

    Comment by richdrich — August 14, 2014 @ 5:13 pm

  31. King Kong – comment9

    I agree with what you say, but it is indicative. All blog sites have the same group of repeating commenters (including this one). That a comparable WOBH thread has a magnitude of more such comments than Kiwiblog, might (might) indicate a comparable magnitude of greater readership (this assumes that the lurker-to-commenter ration is comparable across NZ political blogs).

    I don’t see why someone who deals in populist trash wouldn’t actually get a higher hit count than those who appeal to less popularist/popular political dialogue. The stuff he links to has a broad international appeal in certain parts of the internet – just not the parts that I like to dwell in. This would actually suggest that WOBF lurker-to-commenter ratio is much higher than Kiwiblog’s (as an example). This appears to be borne out by the graph.

    That is the simplest explanation if Occam’s razor is to be applied at all.

    Comment by Michael — August 14, 2014 @ 5:19 pm

  32. comments are tl;dr, but people i know who read whale do it “because he’s funny.”

    which suggests they might be too stupid to understand hyperlinks.

    Comment by Che Tibby — August 14, 2014 @ 5:25 pm

  33. @richdrich: but why? I can’t believe he’d make more money from it than he has to spend, simple law of supply and demand should see to that (i.e. I can’t see a NZ political blog being overly lucrative, and presumably click farms are priced at a rate that reflects the most profitable activity they could engage in).

    I’m a bit with Michael – the simplest explanation is that there are a lot of people in NZ who like the stuff Slater posts. Given the number of my female friends who read Who Weekly and the like, I’m sure the political equivalent of that is equally popular.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 5:26 pm

  34. What, Eric Crampton who is being funded by the Brewers Association ?

    Comment by lucyjh — August 14, 2014 @ 5:34 pm

  35. As opposed to the researchers funded by the anti-alcohol lobby? Eric Crampton was doing the critiques he was doing long before the funding came – i.e. he was funded because of his work, he doesn’t do his work because of the funding. But again, the important thing here is the quality of the ideas, not attacking the man. I found his analysis of much of the alcohol literature to be convincing.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 5:40 pm

  36. @PaulL: “@richdrich: but why? I can’t believe he’d make more money from it than he has to spend, simple law of supply and demand should see to that”

    I’d be prepared to believe that he actually gets the page loads, or maybe it’s engineered. The data’s there to look at, anyway. Even if he has a relatively high readership compared with other blogs, I’d suspect Cameron’s blog isn’t considered lucrative just because a selection of apparently extremely angry people like it, or find it funny.

    It’s lucrative because certain key people in the media, for whatever reason, demonstrably choose to repeat stuff he writes, over and over again, in front of the 99% of other people in New Zealand who seriously don’t know or care what a blog is. It’s a way for getting a message out without needing to broadcast where it’s from, because the only vague source which it might be attributed to is either Slater himself or something like “the representative feelings of the right if the blogosphere”, or whatever.

    Comment by MikeM — August 14, 2014 @ 5:59 pm

  37. PaulL @ #16
    “In theory, yes. In practice I’m assuming that, since there’s money at stake, that the people who sell advertising (aka Google) are smarter at tracking clicks than Slater would be at faking them.”

    I would imagine the calculus is that there is a lot more to be made off of privately organised advertising and campaigns that off Google advertising. For example Carrick Graham being able to go to BAT, Imperial, DB, Crest etc and saying this guy gets over 3 million page views a month and suddenly there is $6,500 a month rolling in. You wouldn’t pull anything like that with adsense.

    Also see pages 94 and 95, runs a campaign, then sponsor of the campaign kicks him some advertising.

    Comment by Michael — August 14, 2014 @ 6:02 pm

  38. The set (people on the Internet who search for posts about the issues Slater cares about and who want to hear his opinions on them) is much smaller than the set (people on the Internet who search for funny videos of cats and random posts of things being blown up).

    Thus Slater surrounds his issues/opinion posts with cats/explosions posts because doing so ensures that Google will present links to his site to members of the second set, which is orders of magnitude larger than the first set. The robotic regularity and the frequency with which his site is updated with such posts is a signal to Google to reindex the site more frequently, so Google is always up to date with whatever the most-recently-posted content is.

    However the members of the second set are far less likely to interact in any way; they won’t leave comments and they won’t click through to linked pages. They came for the cats, not to be funnelled through to Dim-post.

    Not rocket surgery.

    Comment by SHG — August 14, 2014 @ 6:09 pm

  39. I’ll add to my comment above that while it kind of felt like he ran paid material in certain cases (POAL and Matthew Blomfield), a lot of the time it felt a lot more like mutual back scratching between party blogger and party donor (Tobacco, Grocery Council, Alcohol etc). I don’t think anyone would have picked anything near as much as a $6.5k/m retainer.

    Comment by Michael — August 14, 2014 @ 6:19 pm

  40. It’s SEO games, right? And it’s why real people would pay to advertise on Kiwiblog/Public Address etc, because those sites have real, valuable eyeballs, but you’d be a mug to advertise on WhaleOil, ’cause it’s all just junky visits from wherever. Big reason why Brown’s quite open about the kind of people who visit PA — ABC1 demographic, repeat visits, big numbers, deep engagement etc, and WhaleOil isn’t at interested in that.

    Also reveals why WO doesn’t get serious advertising — he’s not interested, and he’s relying on payola.

    Comment by Keir Leslie — August 14, 2014 @ 6:27 pm

  41. I’m not sure I’m on the right track, but my gut has always told me it is a combination of:

    a) The relatively small number of posts he keeps on the same page, so that you have to wade through oodles of shlock (viral pet videos, hunting rubbish) to find his “substantive” work;
    b) The sheer amount of viral pet videos and other shit that presumably attracts traffic through search engines; and
    c) The fact that to read any one post, you have to always click “read more”, since only the first couple of sentences appear on the page… perhaps each time someone clicks “read more” (and I don’t understand the mechanics, I’ll admit) this is logged as a new page visit.

    But yes, this sneaking suspicion has been part of the growing left-wing consciousness for a while now.

    Comment by the pigman — August 14, 2014 @ 7:07 pm

  42. I just figured it is because he has far more pages so of course he will have more unique page views. If I am a journalist, political junkie or bot and I view each new page once at the time it is posted then a website which posts 20-30 new low quality posts a day will score higher than a page which posts maybe one high quality considered page per day.
    If you divide WOBH and DimPost unique page views a month by number of new pages/blog posts that month you would get a very different ranking…

    Comment by richardg — August 14, 2014 @ 7:42 pm

  43. “I can’t believe he’d make more money from it than he has to spend”

    It’s about a veneer of credibility – if it was obvious the site was only being read by a couple of of hundred grumpy old dickheads, it would be harder for Slater’s mates in the media to give him the exposure he craves, and repeat the stories the Nats launder through him. Purporting to be read by half the country provides an excuse.

    And there are plenty of people willing to dig deep and provide the dollars. Look at how he got bailed out for his name suppression fines.

    Comment by richdrich — August 14, 2014 @ 8:27 pm

  44. Hmm. I think I’ll put that down to more crazy left conspiracy theories. Sorry.

    Comment by PaulL — August 14, 2014 @ 8:33 pm

  45. … … …

    Comment by Keir Leslie — August 14, 2014 @ 8:41 pm

  46. Isn’t the most viewed news site in the world the Daily Mail? This makes Whaleoil’s stats easier to understand.

    Comment by Richard — August 14, 2014 @ 8:42 pm

  47. I’m happy to admit to being a regular WOBH reader. I use feedly to keep up with all of the blogs I read. One thing I have noticed is that WOBH is the only one that requires me to click in the article in feedly to see the full article on the site.
    What does that mean for his stats? Does it count twice, or does it mean other sites I read don’t count my views?

    Comment by Greg — August 14, 2014 @ 8:48 pm

  48. I always click through from kiwiblog generally because the feed on the side of the site is by far the easiest to see… that and I think whaleoil has an audience beyond political tragic’s that are interested in a bias adjusted poll of polls.

    Comment by cricklewood — August 14, 2014 @ 8:59 pm

  49. I just fail to believe that DPF doesn’t have the most views, I have like the opposite view to half the shizzle he writes but I still read it daily, because at least he articulates most arguments (leave aside Israel and occasional slams of left parties) with a degree of consistent logic.

    Whale is well Whale.

    My biggest gripe is clearly the best blogger on the left (Mr. Daryl) only blogs every blue moon, leaving a void to get destroyed by the likes of the Standard, who pretty much optimise what is wrong with Labour at the moment.

    Comment by Jeff R — August 14, 2014 @ 9:21 pm

  50. Epitomise not optimise, still morning here in the UK!

    Comment by Jeff R — August 14, 2014 @ 9:22 pm

  51. You and little nickey are joining to many dots today .
    I look at kiwiblog ,whaleoil, and here daily
    We all get the fact that he’s not a nice guy
    Is Greg presland?. The guy with the girls name or mr Bradbury
    I am a Tory so I don’t care but is this all the trust fund baby can come up with?
    Shock horror the national party along with other polictal party’s throw stories to the new media?
    It’s a standard pratice to give direction to journalist or spin
    Even the Green Party employs ex journalists on there staff don’t they to help craft their message and get it out to the public

    Comment by Graham — August 14, 2014 @ 9:30 pm

  52. I agree with Jeff r
    Also

    Comment by Graham — August 14, 2014 @ 9:31 pm

  53. @ PaulL …… the “anti alcohol” wowsers as you call them are the ones cleaning up the mess from alcohol.

    I’d rather take my advice from those who know and are at the sharp end of alcohol abuse. Two links, one from a policeman, the other from a hospital emergency room doctor.

    ” it is not a little problem “.

    l

    Comment by reason — August 14, 2014 @ 9:32 pm

  54. Kiwiblog is the best
    Whaleoil is disjointed at best
    Sometimes interesting sometimes shit
    And some of the silly vidieos are amuseing
    But the stranded is a lunatic asylum
    And what I don’t understand is how David cunlife would take any advice form Greg presland
    That alone should disqualify anyone from office
    It is a crying shame that you don’t post more here

    Comment by Graham — August 14, 2014 @ 9:36 pm

  55. @Graham: “I am a Tory so I don’t care”

    Do you mean that someone who does care about this stuff couldn’t be a true Tory?

    Comment by MikeM — August 14, 2014 @ 9:58 pm

  56. Flesh-bot Emanates Miasma as Ambergris Emulsion Palls. Point 2?

    Comment by Dylan — August 14, 2014 @ 10:13 pm

  57. @richardg: “I just figured it is because he has far more pages so of course he will have more unique page views. If I am a journalist, political junkie or bot and I view each new page once at the time it is posted then a website which posts 20-30 new low quality posts a day will score higher than a page which posts maybe one high quality considered page per day.”

    If that’s what’s happening then it should be fairly straightforward to verify by collecting and analysing the public StatMeter data from which the OpenParachute rankings are directly built. That’ll give a good indication of the specific pages being loaded as are counted in the stats, which IPs those visitors are coming from, all the standard header stuff like referrers and browsers (unless it’s a bot faking its referrer or something like that), and so on. It could be interesting to see the comparison between WO’s politically oriented posts compared with the cat-on-fire posts and some-teenager-deserved-to-get-run-over-by-a-truck posts or whatever other stuff it is that he shoves up there between them. Then adjust the popularity of a page according to the length of the comment thread where it’s been re-loaded over and over for the comment thread by the same 20 avid people, and get an idea of how diverse the popularity really is.

    Comment by MikeM — August 14, 2014 @ 10:50 pm

  58. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/14/manipulating-online-polls-ways-british-spies-seek-control-internet/

    If you were a ‘conspiracy theorist’ maybe the rathole runs deeper than we think?

    One thing is for sure, if he has the readership he claims, only a very very small % bother to comment – even compared to say kiwiblog. He used to be neck-neck with DPF in pageviews but then all of sudden overtook him massively, which I would say has more to do with the site design where basically all the posts short of youtube click-bait require a second page load.

    Comment by MrV — August 14, 2014 @ 10:57 pm

  59. Offtopic but loved seeing my old mate Al Lawn in that video, brings back cherished memories of youthful misadventures.

    Comment by Rob — August 14, 2014 @ 11:22 pm

  60. But go back and look at the traffic stats for WhaleOil in the first graph. His traffic is, supposedly, immense, towering over everyone else – but the amount of actual people clicking through from his site is tiny.

    According to Dianne at Save Our Schools:

    This is not just whimsical pondering from me. I was “oiled” myself. Thousands of the “Whale Army” came, sent by Slater, to my blog. What they wrote was revolting. Nothing like it has been seen on SOSNZ before or since.

    ref: http://saveourschoolsnz.wordpress.com/2014/08/14/on-bloggers-corruption-and-honour/

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — August 14, 2014 @ 11:25 pm

  61. Jeff R: ever been to Public Address? The signal-to-noise ratio is a bit better over there than Te Standard.

    Comment by Kumara Republic (@kumararepublic) — August 14, 2014 @ 11:40 pm

  62. Danyl, you’ve raised a very interesting point. It’s an issue I’ve been pondering myself, to the extent of looking into how “pay-to-click” services operate around the world.

    The thing that made me curious? On 16 November 2011, I posted a story on a Horizon Poll that I was answering. (http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/latest-horizon-poll-now-being-conducted/)

    Interestingly, Slater commented on it on his own blog, linking back to my story. As a result, my traffic climbed; 395 by 2.42pm; 436 by 3.59pm; 514 by 6.57pm and 584 clicks by midnight on the 16th, from Whaleoil.

    584? Out of one million-plus views per month on his blog?

    Curious…

    I am suspicious of the high figures that he posts for his website.

    Comment by Frank Macskasy — August 15, 2014 @ 12:44 am

  63. You leftists have a fantasy that the political centre of gravity in NZ is somehow represented by Rod Donald, Helen Clark, and David Lange (with a side order of Michael Joseph Savage). Well it’s not. They are the exception that proves the rule – even though the current John Key government is actually the most leftwing ever in NZ’s history – paying more in benefits to more people and making more settlement payments than any government before it.

    The real political “centre” of NZ is occupied by “Kiwi Keith” Holyoake, his proud successor “Kiwi John” Key, hardcore law-and-order politicians like Muldoon & Sid Holland & William Massey, and reformers like Prebs, Douglas, and especially Ruth Richardson. And that bludger-hating, crim-hating, state-school, state-house despising central tendency in NZ politics is – today – really only expressed at Whaleoil.

    The one big thing I don’t understand is that the state-house, state-school, DPB-kid, Harvard educated John Key represents almost everything the “Whale Army” claim to hate: massive fiscal irresponsibility (borrowing 60 billion); deep support for Maoridom (whether its settlements, Whanau Ora, or apologies to Tuhoe); increases in benefit rates and numbers; absolutely no changes to NZ’s biggest benefit (super); building lots of new state schools and closing down or integrating private schools.

    I’m sure a Whale party could easily get to 10%, scarfing up both ACT & the Conservatives in the process and guaranteeing another three terms of National-lead government. What I don’t understand is (apart from family loyalty) is why Slater sticks with National. Perhaps politics for Slater is above all just a game, and he really doesn’t care about policies, simply that his mates are on the treasury benches, and that, every so often, he enjoys picking on some some unfortunate trendy lefty (ideally a unionist schoolteacher) and then “unleashing the media forces of darkness to hound them to an assisted suicide”.

    Comment by Angry Tory — August 15, 2014 @ 1:46 am

  64. I can’t help but think Malcolm Tucker was describing the NZ blogging scene. (NSFW)

    Comment by MrV — August 15, 2014 @ 2:53 am

  65. Yeah I agree with Jeff R. I scope Kiwiblog and Dimpost, won’t visit either oil or the standard because I find them both too constrained in their world-views, and run and maintained by party-hacks.
    I know one might claim dpf is a ‘party hack’ but he doesn’t post snippy ‘warnings’ if you disagree politically, or delete comments he doesn’t like, so I still go there.

    Comment by Lee Clark — August 15, 2014 @ 6:00 am

  66. But I never wear a tracksuit while doing it.

    Comment by Lee Clark — August 15, 2014 @ 6:02 am

  67. “The real political “centre” of NZ is occupied by “Kiwi Keith” Holyoake, his proud successor “Kiwi John” Key, hardcore law-and-order politicians like Muldoon & Sid Holland & William Massey, and reformers like Prebs, Douglas, and especially Ruth Richardson.”

    Holyoake, Massey and Douglas all came from wildly divergent ideological directions.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — August 15, 2014 @ 7:22 am

  68. Angry Tory! The adjective abuser who thinks the only solution is a right wing dictatorship. Twot.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 15, 2014 @ 7:24 am

  69. “Cameron Slater. First: Who reads this shit?”

    Will become who hacks this shit?

    This is team red vs team blue statist circle jerk both sides climbing the mountain of conflict.

    There are no practical differences between Hager & Slater.

    Comment by Simon — August 15, 2014 @ 8:35 am

  70. I care as much about what Nicky says
    As someone like scantuary cares about what cam slater says

    Comment by Graham — August 15, 2014 @ 9:59 am

  71. There are no practical differences between Hager & Slater.

    That sort of false equivalence is just stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Stupid.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 15, 2014 @ 10:02 am

  72. Also the latest in regards to kiwiblog
    He claims that information was stolen from his office not sent in emails to whaleoil
    So is he scum
    Or is it okay to brake the law if your motives are pure?
    Then who Judges what are pure motives?
    In the last ten years there has been a patten of spying and illegal tapeing of polictal oppents
    Phil Goff used private mfat papers for polictal gain
    Green activists (mr kaiser)
    Taped mps with leading questions with the aim of tripping them up
    Don brash was hacked
    By one of Nicky’s mates
    Now kiwiblog and whaleoil have been hacked as well

    Comment by Graham — August 15, 2014 @ 10:08 am

  73. My impression so far is that there might be a few things some of the Nats shouldn’t have done. As yet though there is no proof for some of the more serious allegations.

    Bit on the whole Hager has made the mistake of taking Slater’s bragging at fave value and as a consequence wrongly come to the conclusion of a broader conspiracy.

    Edited down it might have had more effect.

    In terms of dirty politics Slater is a valid target but there, in my opinion, much more unpleasantness going on such as the xenophobia and increasing anti-semitism and the mud slinging had come from all primal parties. Why else would Cunliffe at this late stage be wanting to move away from sledging.

    Comment by NeilM — August 15, 2014 @ 10:47 am

  74. You must share with us how you came by this certain knowledge of what happened in all those different cases, Graham.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — August 15, 2014 @ 10:55 am

  75. Oh my god NeilM don’t you ever get tired? It’s really starting to look ridiculous now.

    Comment by Rob — August 15, 2014 @ 11:29 am

  76. Interesting taht in light of so much of Hager’s recent revelations apparently without basis or based on emails as pissing contests that suddenly ‘certain knowledge’ has become the benchmark of what is credible, (y’know given that much of what Graham said appeared in the papers) showing ‘certain knowledge’ it didn’t seem to be a benchmark of what should be believed just a couple of days ago in these here parts…

    Comment by LeeC — August 15, 2014 @ 11:31 am

  77. seems legit

    Comment by Rob — August 15, 2014 @ 2:21 pm

  78. One word #GCSB or two words – #5Eyes. Same as low hits on the most truthful Youtube videos, and twitter accounts being blocked, fascbook posts going missing etc. And polls showing Nats at 55% and “NZ the most non corrupt Country in the Galaxy” – welcome to the new scientific dictatorship – soon to be run by the Internet Party and their coalition partners – the NWO’s first online ‘democracy’ – managed by the NSA and Israeli/British intelligence.

    Comment by Jim — August 16, 2014 @ 10:49 am

  79. New Zealand is fucked. Years of visionless leadership and ego driven policies has left our once proud country an shell of itself. What we need is a coup and some hangings of politicians and then invite some qualified people to apply to run the country. At least they would know what to expect if they didn’t perform. Oh yeah and a moratorium on unfettered immigration. we don’t need it.

    Comment by f dx — August 16, 2014 @ 11:29 pm

  80. The only good thing about Slaters blog is that he accepts critical comment. Whereas the left’s self-proclaimed biggest blog, the daily blog, is so heavily censored by Bomber it resembles a propaganda machine as he only allows comments by sycophants agreeing with him. Try posting anything remotely critical of kimdotcom and see what I mean…..

    Comment by Dex — August 17, 2014 @ 2:17 pm

  81. It seems 60% of visitors to Whale Oil are from “unknown domains” ie are bots to pump up his advertising revenue. Average duration per visit = less than 30 seconds.

    Comment by McNulty — August 17, 2014 @ 4:43 pm

  82. Dex @ 80 — your comment was so ridiculously untrue

    The only good thing about Slaters blog is that he accepts critical comment.

    that I had to

    the left’s self-proclaimed biggest blog, the daily blog

    LOL and walk away…

    Comment by prgcnt — August 18, 2014 @ 12:02 am


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