The Dim-Post

August 25, 2011

Or else

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 11:32 am

Via the Herald:

Labour MP Shane Jones has indicated he is weighing up his future in politics if he does not get strong endorsement from Maori voters in November’s general election.

Mr Jones said on Te Kaea on Maori Television he wanted to win the Tamaki Makaurau seat – currently held by Maori Party leader Pita Sharples – and if he did not he would “reconsider my options”.

Asked to clarify his comments by the Herald yesterday, he said winning the seat would give him a strong platform for “future developments” in his political career.

“If that doesn’t come to pass, a whole bunch of other factors have to be weighed up. If I don’t win the seat, then I’ll assess what happens – whether or not I stay on and look to play a more meaningful role in politics, or whatever.”

This is about what happened in the Te Tai Tokurau by-election. The main problem with Kelvin Davis’ campaign was that he was already in Parliament, so voters could cast their vote for Hone Harawira and they’d still have Davis, but if they voted for Davis they lost Harawira.

So Jones is sending a signal that even though he’s a list MP, if the voters of Tamaki Makaurau don’t support him as an electorate MP they won’t get the same ‘two for the price of one’ reward for voting strategically. Although . . . they probably will because the only reason you issue a threat this deliberately vague is so you can go back on it after the election.


  1. OTOH it does come across as just a little petulant and sulky.

    Comment by Idiot/Savant — August 25, 2011 @ 11:37 am

  2. I think this is also about solidifying his position within Labour for the future,

    Shane knows that there is going to be a huge amount of blood letting should labour loose the election badly and the whole “I’m a red blooded man” porn episode will have made him off side with certain powerful sections of the party. Being an electorate MP gives you a whole lots more security than someone whose place in parliament relies on the grace of head office….

    Comment by Greenwelly — August 25, 2011 @ 11:43 am

  3. Reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles when the townfolk are just about to lynch the sheriff

    Comment by Tinakori — August 25, 2011 @ 11:48 am

  4. I wonder if he will reconsider standing on the list. It doesn’t sound like he’s strongly committed to serving a three year term on the list.

    Comment by Pete George — August 25, 2011 @ 11:51 am

  5. Reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles when the townfolk are just about to lynch the sheriff

    You know, I almost made that the title of the post, but decided not to go there.

    Comment by danylmc — August 25, 2011 @ 11:51 am

  6. Pretty good strategic move I reckon, he’d be a better asset to any future leadership team than a lot of the other usual names which get thrown about.

    On this note actually, I’d love to see any actual evidence (i.e from a more reliable source than Hooten/Farrar’s daydreams) about him supposedly being ‘the most right-wing Maori MP’ etc etc

    Comment by Hobbes — August 25, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

  7. I’m Damaged Goods – Vote For Me

    I don’t know if his musings were strategic orif they just popped out.

    Comment by NeilM — August 25, 2011 @ 12:26 pm

  8. Well, if you look at it this way there’s never been a leader or deputy who didn’t already hold an electorate seat, the same seems to hold for top cabinet positions.

    (Obvious examples are only applicable for newcomers, e.g Brash, Joyce, and Jones has been in Parliament for six years now)

    Also, while checking this I realized that Anne Tolley is ranked #8 on the ’08 National Party list…I hope they have some sort of contingency plan where people ranked higher than her make sure not to cross the road in front of buses at the same time or anything..

    Comment by Hobbes — August 25, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

  9. “You know, I almost made that the title of the post, but decided not to go there.”

    Yup, If you had used that line of dialogue it would have been your most incendiary ever.

    Hobbes, just like many National MPs over the years have thought that Nick Smith’s natural party was the old Alliance few have been able to understand how Jones ended up in Labour. His anarchic nature, affinity for business, and belief that Maori need a strong economic base and good educations – of all kinds – to generate tino rangitiratanga do not make him a natural member of the Labour caucus. I think Labour made the best offer and he thought the wave Labour were riding would last a bit longer.

    Comment by Tinakori — August 25, 2011 @ 12:42 pm

  10. Can anybody explain why if he is standing for the Auckland based seat he still has a massive “electorate” office in Whangerai?

    Comment by barnsley bill — August 25, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  11. I think Jones is saying.. “Give me a big fucking V8 electorate and I’ll take over the leadership and pass National on the right”.


    Comment by JC — August 25, 2011 @ 1:59 pm

  12. > Reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles when the townfolk are just about to lynch the sheriff

    Yeah but the black sheriff threatens to shoot himself which scares the townsfolk into letting him go. Are you suggesting that Jones’ electorate is equally thick?

    Comment by Ross — August 25, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

  13. ” His anarchic nature”

    Most committed anarchists I know are organised and thoughtful people dedicated to working with others…

    Comment by Stephen — August 25, 2011 @ 4:00 pm

  14. I had to look up the Blazing Saddles clip – and yes, it does have the same sense of absurdity. You could have titled it “Isn’t somebody going to help that poor man?” though…

    Comment by Sam — August 25, 2011 @ 5:03 pm

  15. For others who are in the dark:

    Comment by Sam — August 25, 2011 @ 5:03 pm

  16. Jeez you must be young Sam or your parents have recklessly disregarded an important part of your upbringing. Repeat after me: “excuse me while I whip this out”; “A wed wose. How womantic.” ;”Mongo only pawn… in game of life”; “God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.”; “Oh, it’s twue. It’s twue. It’s twue, it’s twue!”;

    Comment by insider — August 25, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  17. Goldie, how many times have I told you guys that I don’t want no horsing around on the airplane?

    Tribute to Slim Pickens, courtesy Naked raygun

    Comment by Paul Rowe — August 25, 2011 @ 5:51 pm

  18. Pretty cheeky of the Jones boy to be issuing ultimatums to his voters (did Clare Curran tag him? You’re ‘it’; you get to threaten your voters today?).

    The Auckland supercity submissions were interesting – Phil Twyford (Labour) working hard, while Shane Jones was hardly working…

    Comment by bob — August 25, 2011 @ 7:05 pm

  19. @ insider

    Leader of Senate: All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?
    Entire Senate: FUCK THE POOR!

    Madame DeFarge: We are so poor, we do not even have a language! Just this stupid accent!
    Fellow Revolutionist: She’s right, she’s right! We all talk like Maurice Chevalier!
    [impersonates the Chevalier laugh]
    Fellow Revolutionist: Au-haw-haw.
    Crowd: Au-haw-haw.

    Comment by Phil — August 25, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

  20. It is true, I may not even have been born when the movie was released (same year though), but I have seen it as a child (not old enough to appreciate it obviously). Even so, it still seems pretty slapstick (which doesn’t really appeal), but I’ll have to give it another watch – for cultural reasons of course…

    I think my Mum was a fan, but then, she enjoyed “Top Secret!” as well…

    Comment by Sam — August 25, 2011 @ 9:22 pm

  21. You’d think politicians would learn that when you threaten to flounce out of the room, you better check there aren’t people lining up to hold the door and help you with your coat… Yeah, the guy’s useful as the caucus brown-neck (i.e. someone who can say shit about the Maori Party the whitefellas can’t without sounding like racist shits) but that’s about it.

    Comment by Craig Ranapia — August 26, 2011 @ 12:49 am

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