The Dim-Post

November 14, 2011

No wonder they’ve soared to 0.7%

Filed under: general idiocy — danylmc @ 6:36 am

Kind of strange that this isn’t a major news story. Via I/S, John Banks went on The Nation yesterday and made the following statement:

If we continue the bankrupt response of just paying young Polynesian, young Maori men in south Auckland the dole to sit in front of TV, smoke marijuana, watch pornography and plan more drug offending and more burglaries, then we’re going to have them coming through our windows

When National Party candidate Melissa Lee made similar, but less extreme statements during the Mt Albert by-election it became a front-page story. Ditto for Lockwood Smith commenting about migrants during the last election. At the least I’d like to hear a reaction from Pita Sharples – will he still go into coalition with the ACT Party, now not even pretending they’re not a white supremacy party? (He will, of course – he really wants that knighthood.)

Instead the narrative is all around the mysterious, secret taping of Key and Banks. Hell of a lucky break for National – that’s another day or two they can beat up on the media instead of talking about their policies or record in government.

Not that National need to get lucky when Labour are releasing policy like their plan to extend Working for Families tax credits to beneficiaries. It’s a 2005 style bribe policy to try and increase turnout amongst their base, but for every low-income vote it buys, it’s going to cost them two middle-class swing voters. Madness.



  1. The upload date on the youtube clips says 3rd June 2011.

    Comment by Orlando Figes' ghost-writer — November 14, 2011 @ 6:44 am

  2. “At the least I’d like to hear a reaction from Pita Sharples – will he still go into coalition with the ACT Party”

    The Maori Party haven’t been in coalition with Act, and they’re not likely to be if Act survive, any coalition (or support) agreement will be with National.

    Comment by Pete George — November 14, 2011 @ 6:46 am

  3. Brash went out of his way to be insulting to Maori the other day with his comments about the Maori language as well. I think it isn’t a big story because ACT’s desperate race baiting to try and create a controversy and get some votes is just so transparent. It is sad, really, to see a party reduced to frantic racism to try and stay relevant. ACT is a political zombie, long dead but with backers who won’t allow the electorate to get in a clean head shot so the shuffling, dreadful corpse can be decently buried.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 14, 2011 @ 7:17 am

  4. “The Maori Party haven’t been in coalition with Act…”

    Both parties have ministers in the current government. That’s a coalition.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — November 14, 2011 @ 7:18 am

  5. Guy: Pete just spins it that way so he can ignore the fact that United Future are also in government with the ACT Party. Because, despite the fact that ACT are pretty despicable, Peter Dunne needs to pay for his hair-styling and you can’t afford that on a back-benchers salary.

    Comment by Simon Poole — November 14, 2011 @ 7:48 am

  6. “The upload date on the youtube clips says 3rd June 2011.”

    Yes. And Banks didn’t stop there, he continued with an education theme and then this:

    John “Let me turn that proposition in its head. I’m totally opposed to social welfare that pays young people $6 an hour to sit at home every day watching pornography and smoking drug and planning crimes. I’m absolutely committed to giving them the dignity of work. It is wrong to pay them $6 an hour to do that when you could have them working and getting work experience and apprenticeships in the workforce without a minimum wage rate of pay. Minimum wage rates of pay in this country are failing young people that want to work. My long experience Sean is that even criminals that come out of jail want the dignity of work, and want to play in the local Rugby League team. If they’ve got a job and they’re playing sport I’m telling you they don’t go back to jail.”

    All Danyl saw was the 29 seconds that Trevor wanted him to see and hear.


    Comment by JC — November 14, 2011 @ 8:06 am

  7. But is still racist drivel….

    Comment by nw — November 14, 2011 @ 8:42 am

  8. Yeah, I don’t really think that adding “… and I want to scrap to scrap the minimum wage too” at the end makes “I’m a complete bigot” sound any more appealing.

    Comment by NBH — November 14, 2011 @ 9:15 am

  9. “want to play in the local Rugby League team” – Because only criminals play rugby league?

    Comment by CB — November 14, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  10. The odd thing is that about the time Banks said that I did have an unemployed Polynesian from South Auckland come through my window and steal some stuff. He used my credit card at Mac Donalds at around 7am and then spent $200 at a massage parlour in Epsom. The home TV tuition must have required a practical. So it does happen. (He was caught later doing more serious stuff).

    Comment by Peter S — November 14, 2011 @ 9:38 am

  11. @ 7 and 8,

    Those comments are but a small part on law and order and need to be seen in context:

    Comment by JC — November 14, 2011 @ 9:38 am

  12. Reading the whole transcript JC, it’s still clear that Banks identifies habitual criminality with South Auckland Polynesians. That’s his immediate and only example.

    “a young man in sport is never in court.”

    Kind of funny given today’s news.

    Comment by Stephen Judd — November 14, 2011 @ 10:16 am

  13. Regarding JC @ 6: Well, there you go everybody, Banks wasn’t saying all of New Zealand is under threat from unemployed criminal Maori/Polynesian porn addict beneficiaries on P coming through our windows – well, no, actually he did say all of that, but also he added they’d all be perfectly happy instead working fulltime for, say, $3 an hour (if their employer felt like being generous) and maybe some footy on the weekend!

    Takes an odd perspective on things to argue this makes the earlier comments *less* racist and demeaning.

    Comment by Sam F — November 14, 2011 @ 10:20 am

  14. What are the odds that the recording has Banks saying something crudely racist, and Key just casually agreeing with him, in usual smile and wave fashion?

    Comment by Dr Foster — November 14, 2011 @ 10:31 am

  15. Some more choice quotes from the last week that had me spitting out my metaphorical drink were:

    ACT is the new Tea Party. Literally:
    Every chair at the launch had a tea bag and brochure on it, and MC Jim Hopkins started with the obvious message: “People should have the Epsom message. There’s a tea bag on every seat.”

    John Banks isn’t even trying to hide who’s paying him any more:
    Asked on Campbell Live what brand he was presenting to Epsom voters, Mr Banks said, “Brand Key”, and talked about the popularity of Prime Minister John Key and ensuring National remained in power.

    I think John Key doesn’t even know who ACT are:
    Mr Key said…
    “And Act has been very stable so Act returning to Parliament is something I would like to see as opposed to something I wouldn’t like to see.”

    Comment by Flynn — November 14, 2011 @ 11:01 am

  16. @ 14,

    And what are the odds that within a few hours of the Cup Of Tea, there’s an illegal recording of the conversation and a highly edited five month old tape hitting the public?


    Comment by JC — November 14, 2011 @ 11:09 am

  17. Having watched The Nation, I can assure you it didn’t happen🙂

    Rather, Banks made these claims in June.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — November 14, 2011 @ 11:28 am

  18. @ JC

    Does it matter how long it’s been?

    Comment by David C — November 14, 2011 @ 11:30 am

  19. @18,

    It does when left friendly sites present the comment as within the last several days, and when the 29 second bite ignores his comments about growing up in a criminal household, his experience and work with Maori gangs up North that shows him that work and sport dramatically reduce further criminality.

    Banks is over the top, but he articulates his own personal experiences with criminals, Maori and gangs and has delivered the same message over and over again throughout his political career. It mightn’t be a message thats liked here, but its honest and resonates with people with similar experience.


    Comment by JC — November 14, 2011 @ 11:53 am

  20. CB – “9.“want to play in the local Rugby League team” – Because only criminals play rugby league?”

    * have you played rugby league?

    It’s not just convenient for National.the media outrage, in some quarters of the media, provides a lovely smokescreen for labours downward trend in polls of late.

    Comment by — November 14, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  21. JC, I can assure you there is no conspiracy.

    I saw the clip on over the weekend, and was utterly horrified and disgusted. I also assumed it was news. I wondered why it hadn’t been reported and had sunk without trace, and emailed it on to Idiot/Savant of NoRightTurn.

    I am a young man who lives in Mangere, and yes, I am the Green campaign manager here (there’s your conspiracy). And every person I’ve shown it to is as uncomfortable and angry as you would imagine. It sickens me that this type of racism, pure ignorance of the fabric of my society, is still able to be presented in this way in this country.

    Comment by George D — November 14, 2011 @ 2:35 pm

  22. Don’t get so wound up JC, that video of Banks has been floating around long before the bullshit that happened in Newmarket.

    Comment by Chris Bull — November 14, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  23. Agreed. But obviously it’s not a race thing. It’s widespread, across all races, because of a lack of jobs available, because of major discrepancies in the welfare system, and because of a social welfare system that does not use any incentives to get people into work.

    I think the Unemployment Benefit needs to be restructured to encourage people to at least secure part-time work, for a start. If this benefit has a base rate of $160 (net) across all age groups and geographical locations but the option is there for beneficiaries to earn $150 (gross) in addition to this before their benefit is affected, then this would be more appropriate instead of the current $80 (gross).

    Then, anything earned on top of that, could be taxed normally at 20% with another 30% going back to WINZ. This would be a lot more practical than the 20% tax plus 70% for WINZ that currently occurs.

    In addition to this we need to have an adult minimum wage of $15.00 per hour, and a youth wage of $12.50 per hour, perhaps. This would be an incentive for employers to hire young people. And we could look at tax deductions for those on the youth wage, so they would be paying perhaps 15% or 17% tax instead of 20%.

    There would be no housing subsidy. This may sound tough but it is not, in my opinion. Currently a lot of beneficiaries claim to live in one area and get $240 per week or $260 per week, when they actually live in another area and should be paid $230 per week. This sort of scheme, among others, costs taxpayers at least $3,000,000 per annum.

    Also, if we reduce the 90 day work trial to 60 days for youth, this will make them feel more secure in terms of gaining and keeping employment and many of them that want work will be confident that they will be able to succeed a 60 day work trial. Remember, that these our young beneficiaries that probably haven’t worked fulltime before, so they need to be encouraged in as many ways as possible to obtain and keep work.

    Comment by Betty — November 14, 2011 @ 3:09 pm

  24. > but for every low-income vote it buys, it’s going to cost them two middle-class swing voters. Madness.

    Madness is cutting taxes for the wealthy and paying them superannuation.

    Reducing poverty = madness? I wouldn’t have thought so, unless you think the poor are not deserving of anything better.

    Comment by Ross — November 14, 2011 @ 4:20 pm

  25. * have you played rugby league?” Indeed I have.

    Comment by CB — November 14, 2011 @ 4:32 pm

  26. Maybe the Newmarket leafleter was vindicated after all.

    BTW check out my new blog @

    Comment by DeepRed — November 14, 2011 @ 8:40 pm

  27. “if we reduce the 90 day work trial to 60 days for youth, this will make them feel more secure in terms of gaining and keeping employment …”

    You drink don’t you Betty? Just askin’.

    Comment by Guy Smiley — November 14, 2011 @ 9:42 pm

  28. Well I don’t know about you CB but the senior team I played in was surrounded by crims.

    Comment by — November 15, 2011 @ 8:22 am

  29. I must say that I do enjoy the occasional jug, but I am far from being one of those neurotic housewives🙂

    Comment by Betty — November 15, 2011 @ 9:11 am

  30. “Well I don’t know about you CB but the senior team I played in was surrounded by crims” Are you a criminal?

    Comment by CB — November 15, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

  31. Banks is just repeating those comments, it was what Hone carter told him, and that bro knows his shit .

    Comment by Pete w — November 16, 2011 @ 4:53 am

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