The Dim-Post

November 29, 2011

Just like Dagny would do

Filed under: too fucking crazy to count as politics — danylmc @ 6:40 am

Oh this is SO sweet:

ACT’s lone MP John Banks says he is in favour of talks with Conservative Party leader Colin Craig – as speculation mounts behind the scenes about a merger.

The fledgling Conservative Party managed to score a 2.8 per cent share of the party vote on Saturday, despite only forming in July.

After an hour-long meeting with Mr Key yesterday, Mr Banks said: “Given our result on Saturday, we need to talk to as many people as we can about our future, because I want to make sure we are alive and well in 2014.

“Colin Craig is a class New Zealander. His youthful enthusiasm is what the ACT Party needs going forward.”

ACT on Campus and all those other classical liberals and sundry intellectual supermen who worked hard during the campaign must be so proud of their new leader.

However, Mr Craig was less enthusiastic about a relationship with ACT.

Craig sounds pretty smart for a looting, mooching parasite.


  1. God is watching.

    Key has told Banks to merge ACT with the Conservative Party. As neo-con central planners ACT supporters should understand this is for the greater good.

    Comment by Simon — November 29, 2011 @ 7:24 am

  2. how christian was ayn again?

    Comment by Cnr Joe — November 29, 2011 @ 7:30 am

  3. Colin Craig got a reasonable result this time. Presuming he is prepared to spend huge amounts of his own money again up in the Orange Free State then he might be able to get close to the threshold. A nice cup of tea in Rodney with Mr. Key and voila! Five or six “Christian” MPs.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 29, 2011 @ 7:50 am

  4. …So he doesn’t need the tarnished ACT brand or the barking mad Banks.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 29, 2011 @ 7:51 am

  5. I dunno … I’m conflicted. On the one hand, I like the fact the Conservatives will let me shoot kids who come down my drive trick-or-treating ( On the other, they want to make my daily bottle of sherry more expensive (

    It’s a tough one, it is.

    Comment by Grassed Up — November 29, 2011 @ 7:53 am

  6. I told people on election night this would happen, but everyone else thought he would just remake ACT in his own image. Banks and the Conservatives would be a perfect fit, probably not in Epsom though.

    Comment by alex — November 29, 2011 @ 7:53 am

  7. Surely the better option is for Banks to join the conservative party? Surely…

    Then Banks is with a party that fits his views and ACT can get back to basics.

    Comment by swan — November 29, 2011 @ 8:17 am

  8. If I was Richard Prebble I would be pretty freakin angry if ACT ended up merging with the Conservative Party – what a cruel blow to your legacy.

    Comment by swan — November 29, 2011 @ 8:19 am

  9. I found it… creepy may be unfair… odd… how on election night ACT was so clearly a party of two guys in their 60s supported almost solely by a bunch of 20y/o guys going through their “get-back-at-the-bullies” Randian years.

    Comment by garethw — November 29, 2011 @ 8:40 am

  10. Will ACT On Campus be renamed to Conservatives On Campus?

    Comment by Antoine — November 29, 2011 @ 8:51 am

  11. There’s always the Libertarianz, who I foresee surging to 0.1% next election.

    Comment by bradluen — November 29, 2011 @ 8:58 am

  12. Oh, good point. I desperately hope they are renamed Conservatives on Campus.

    That would be fantastic.

    Comment by Richard — November 29, 2011 @ 9:07 am

  13. Conservatives On Campus Kiwis!

    Comment by boganjoshthis year rocks — November 29, 2011 @ 9:21 am

  14. Sanctuary thats crap. I live in Rodney, there is no way a bible thumper would be voted in.
    If the Greens put up a serious candidate they would have more chance, post “tea party”- seriously.
    To call it the “Orange Free State” merely demonstrates an ironic racism from yourself.

    Comment by gn — November 29, 2011 @ 9:23 am

  15. Those of you thinking its clever to equate ACT or liberalism with Objectivism – this is basically the same thing as the guys over at Kiwiblog equating the Greens with communism.

    Comment by swan — November 29, 2011 @ 9:29 am

  16. Oh come on, everyone knows the primary export from the upper North Shore (via a morning procession over the bridge of second hand SUVs) to the rest of the city is right wing Jaapies with annoying political views and on the weekends an assortment of spoilt latchkey white bread in shopping mall surfwear. Bro.

    All that is civilised and good, it is between Westhaven and the Greenlane interchange.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 29, 2011 @ 9:34 am

  17. Swan – that might hold true if ACT was actually a liberal party rather than just a mixture of grumpy old rich guys and young, un-worldly, cosseted, Objectivists.

    Comment by Gregor W — November 29, 2011 @ 9:36 am

  18. Gregor W,

    I think it is obvious that whatever ACT is now, is not ACT (and dont come back at that with any kind of new fangled “logic”). ACT is dead – and trying to flog the corpse to the highest bidder is the ultimate insult. Those of us on the liberal right feel naked, disenfranished and scared right now.

    Comment by swan — November 29, 2011 @ 9:49 am

  19. Get used to it swan, this is how commies feel all the time 🙂


    Comment by Antoine — November 29, 2011 @ 9:52 am

  20. I’d have thought NZFirst and the Cons are far more likely bedfellows (in the non biblical sense of course) and Winston could probably do with their money.

    He might have a problem with them over this “You want Honesty You want leaders that never forget they are employed by you. You want fewer politicians, more honesty and action not excuses.”

    Comment by insider — November 29, 2011 @ 9:58 am

  21. Actually most ACT supporters feel that ACT failed to get back in on Saturday and that its now dead. Whatever Banks is he ain’t ACT so the mood is for creation of a new party not polluted with Conservatives. Banks and Craig can have each other…..liberals have better things to do.

    Comment by James — November 29, 2011 @ 10:42 am

  22. “Those of us on the liberal right feel naked, disenfranished and scared right now.”

    Well, you could use money to buy clothes, cast a vote next election (because I don’t think you really are “disenfranchised” at all), then chill the fuck out.

    There. Fixed it.

    Comment by Grassed Up — November 29, 2011 @ 11:41 am

  23. @James – more than feel, Deborah Coddington for one was saying it out loud during the election commentary.

    Comment by R Singers — November 29, 2011 @ 11:59 am

  24. @Sanctuary – it may be true that the upper North Shore is overrun with us Jaapies, but Rodney =! North Shore. The primary infestation areas of Long Bay, Torbay and Browns Bay all fall within the East Coast Bays electorate. Also, not all of us have annoying right wing political views: Some of us have annoying leftie political views.

    Comment by Matt — November 29, 2011 @ 12:10 pm

  25. What happens if Banks leaves ACT and joins the Conservatives in the next few months? Would ACT be entitled to a list seat for their 1% of the vote with Banks becoming a Conservative Party overhang?

    Comment by NN — November 29, 2011 @ 12:34 pm

  26. What happens if Banks leaves ACT and joins the Conservatives in the next few months? Would ACT be entitled to a list seat for their 1% of the vote with Banks becoming a Conservative Party overhang?


    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — November 29, 2011 @ 12:37 pm

  27. In every term under MMP the make-up of Parliament has changed. New parties are formed, or merged, there are departures and defections, etc. And there is no party-hopping law now.

    So it’s a good bet that some kind of shape-shifting will take place on the Right. Steven Joyce is probably already telling the new Nat in Rodney that he’ll be number 3 on the list and a Minister, just as soon as he agrees not to stand next time.

    If National don’t start astroturfing a new party, they will go into the 2014 election relying on a grand total of one supporter … the last Maori Party electorate MP (Flavell). There’s no way they’ll let that happen.

    Comment by sammy — November 29, 2011 @ 12:38 pm

  28. Insider: The Conservatives are basically NZ First without Winston. And they’re probably better off staying that way.

    Swan: Either you need to take your party back, or found a new one to represent the 1%. Either way, I’m sure it’ll be amusing to the rest of us.

    Comment by Idiot/Savant — November 29, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

  29. If I was a dedicated ACT supporter on the ACT board I would either consider a) booting out John Banks and starting afresh with no MPs (scary to have no Parliamentary representative but probably a better option than to have one who doesn’t actually represent your values and beliefs or b) quitting and starting a new Party. I’d tend to favour option B as, while a new Party might struggle to gain support in the short-term, it would at least not inherit all the dirty laundry of ACT.

    Comment by Amy — November 29, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  30. Amy…agree….and thats the view of a lot of people around the party and further out. The brand is dead and too covered in gunk.

    Comment by James — November 29, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

  31. represent the 1%
    The 1.07%, thankyou very much.

    Comment by garethw — November 29, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

  32. “The brand is dead and too covered in gunk.”

    ewww Neo-liberal gunk. not even easy-off Bam can get that off

    Comment by nommopilot — November 29, 2011 @ 1:44 pm

  33. “The 1.07%, thankyou very much.”

    How many ACT party-votes were switched to National because polls indicated that Goldsmith would win and therefore ACT party votes would be wasted?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — November 29, 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  34. Given that ACT polled at 1.3 to 1.6 before the first electorate poll was released, not an overwhelming number.

    Comment by bradluen — November 29, 2011 @ 2:04 pm

  35. 15 to 40% (depending on whether you believe Don Brash or John Ansell).

    Comment by sammy — November 29, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  36. @Clunking Fist: “How many ACT party-votes were switched to National because polls indicated that Goldsmith would win and therefore ACT party votes would be wasted?”

    I think you’re overlooking the fact that the Libertarianz went from .05% in ’08 to .07 in ’11 (before specials, too!). That’s the 300+ votes you’re after right there.

    Comment by Grassed Up — November 29, 2011 @ 3:42 pm

  37. More like “Pragmatic conservative appeasing gunk” nommopilot….

    Comment by James — November 29, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  38. “Going forward” – no meaningless clichés there then.

    Comment by Bill Bennett — November 29, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  39. Love Conservatives on Campus. Potential signs: “Get COC out” “Monthy meeting of COC” “COC is for everyone”…that acronym would provide endless entertainment!

    Comment by Tim — November 29, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

  40. Aha, I see what you did there, Tim. Because “COC” sounds a bit like “cock” doesn’t it? And that’s a slang term for penis, right there. It would be highly amusing to have signs with a word meaning _penis_ on them! Capital. /Buzz Killington

    Comment by Adze — November 29, 2011 @ 5:13 pm

  41. @swan: “If I was Richard Prebble I would be pretty freakin angry if ACT ended up merging with the Conservative Party – what a cruel blow to your legacy.”

    It happened in Canada with the Conservative half of the Progressive Conservatives and the Rogernomics-aligned Reform Party.

    Comment by DeepRed — November 29, 2011 @ 8:11 pm

  42. @ I/S:

    Insider: The Conservatives are basically NZ First without Winston. And they’re probably better off staying that way”.

    Not too sure about that. The Conservatives more or less believe in free markets and a smaller state, with huge cuts to government spending, while NZ First, belives in Muldoonist economic interventionism (to a point), as well as the welfare state (once again to a point).

    It is true that NZF is on the whole socially conservative, but it is downplayed in favour of economic issues (the bankers are going to ruin society more than the gays ever will), plus there are nuggets of social liberalism there as well. NZ First MP’s Doug Woolerton and Brian Donnelly were staunch supporters of the S59 amendments, and former MP Deborah Morris-Travers led the “Vote Yes” campaign in the 2009 referendum (I think she also pushed to get contraceptives available to young people more as Youth Affairs Minister).

    So while I think you are generally on the mark with a lot of our comments, your throwaway comment about NZ First is very simplistic.

    But I guess 27 years of neo-liberalism getting shoved down our throats does that to people.

    Comment by millsy — November 29, 2011 @ 8:26 pm

  43. Banks was elected for 3 years for Act, it is pretty amazing to be talking about “merging” ( read joining) the Conservatives 3 days after the election. It’s logical enough given his politics and the state of Act, but Epsom didn’t vote for a Conservative Party MP, only a conservative Act Party one.
    By election?

    Comment by bka — November 29, 2011 @ 11:17 pm

  44. You commies are off in another galaxy if you think John Banks is any kind of conservative. There’s nary a country anywhere that has such a large number of people with such fuck all knowledge of politics as New Zealand. Insular narrow little leftist weasels without a clue to save themselves. Hardly a comment on this whole thread that is informative or researched. Just utter bullshit from small minded soviet style retards.

    Comment by Redbaiter — November 30, 2011 @ 1:23 am

  45. Maybe you oughta try commenting on another country’s blogs then Red, I’m sure you’d find a more refined intellectual atmosphere there.

    Comment by Hugh — November 30, 2011 @ 4:20 am

  46. Here’s what’s going to happen. Phil Goff and Annete King will resign from the Labour party and join the ACT party. Act will then have three MPs in Parliament. Phil Goff will then take over the leadership and get ACT back on track. Meanwhile John Banks will continue to do sterling work as a cabinet minister serving the best interests of New Zealand.

    Comment by OECD rank 22 kiwi — November 30, 2011 @ 5:52 am

  47. From the ‘refined intellectual atmosphere’ engendered by Redbaiter:

    Ask any real Christian, they will explain there are “liberal” Christians – who aren’t really Christians at all – and “True” Christians who actually believe in what the bible says.

    liberals are liberals: the only effective solution involves piano wire and lamp-posts.

    Kris K:
    Well said, Sinner.

    In my opinion one cannot be both a Christian and a liberal – the two are mutually exclusive.

    Comment by Pete George — November 30, 2011 @ 5:59 am

  48. reddies “soviet stylz” bigotry plays well with sancies “orange free state” racism.

    Comment by will — November 30, 2011 @ 6:43 am

  49. Redbaiter having a confederate flag as his gravatar says it all IMO.

    Comment by millsy — November 30, 2011 @ 6:57 am

  50. Poor old will, yet another right wing victim. You know, I can just imagine you sitting there in a chair on a street in Savannah having your shoes shined whilst complaining that those damn Yankees are all racists towards the Irish.

    I, bet you never get this upset when people humorously describe the Mt. Roskill/Sandringham area as the Sunni Triangle. Everyone in Auckland knows the nicknames for Brown’s Bay and environs, or even Remmers. Silly nicknames is all part of the fun of living in a proper city.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 30, 2011 @ 7:09 am

  51. @Sanc

    Sunni Triangle, thats a good one. The folks in my street call our area “Sandringastan”….

    Comment by andy (the other one) — November 30, 2011 @ 7:24 am

  52. Tell you what commies- in the next few days I will put up a post on TrueblueNZ explaining authentic Conservatism. One that will educate and surprise most of the commenters on this blog, whose political perspectives are always and unfailingly formed from a left wing perspective. In other words hopelessly crippled.

    Your problem guys is you only ever have information from the one side of the political spectrum.

    Ask yourself-

    How can you make any kind of rational or reliable assessment of any other political standpoint when all the information you have on the issue is gained from sources that oppose that standpoint?

    Answer- you cannot, and this obvious outcome is well proven by the utter nonsense about Conservatism spouted by commenters on this thread.

    Do yourself a favour and try and find authentic commentary on Conservatism. Then you might truly educate yourself. At the moment, you’re views are based on pure propaganda. Hopelessly wrong and hopelessly prejudiced.

    I would think that natural curiosity might cause one to seek out the truth, but is that another traditional trait of NZers that has been killed off by left wing political predators posing as educators? Certainly seems that way.

    Comment by Redbaiter — November 30, 2011 @ 8:38 am

  53. Hope you don’t go all Breivik on us Comrade RedBaiter…

    Comment by pollywog — November 30, 2011 @ 8:48 am

  54. I’m gonna educate myself so I can get good grammar like you’res…

    Comment by Frankie — November 30, 2011 @ 8:53 am

  55. I like how redbaiter posts a rhetorical question, then answers it himself.

    Post all you like to TrueBlueNZ, red, it’s a free internet.

    Comment by Paul Rowe — November 30, 2011 @ 9:17 am

  56. I don’t think redbaiter will go postal a la Brevik. He may however strike back at the socialist system by spending a lot of time confiscating children’s toys that accidentially end up on his lawn.

    Comment by Sanctuary — November 30, 2011 @ 9:30 am

  57. “Post all you like to TrueBlueNZ, red,”

    I already do that Paul, and I’ll continue to do it with or without your blessing. Surprising right?

    ” it’s a free internet.”

    Yes, so far it is, but the left are fast closing in.

    Comment by Redbaiter — November 30, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  58. No true Scotsman, Redbaiter. No true Scotsman.

    Comment by DeepRed — November 30, 2011 @ 10:27 am

  59. Problem solved there moping ACTies:

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — November 30, 2011 @ 11:09 am

  60. It has to be said United Future has the worst possible party name. There’s no indication in the name of what it stands for, although I think was can assume its members wouldn’t be happy with a disunited past.

    Comment by Bill Bennett — November 30, 2011 @ 11:43 am

  61. Bill – it would be just as easy to question most of the other names.

    Labour could do with working on that they stand for. They could rename to the Poverty Party, or the NAF Party (no asset flogging-off).
    Are Greens still that inexperienced?
    NZ First gives no indication what it really stands for. One person first, foremost and forever.
    How much Mana is there in having the state feed all your kids?
    I guess National does differentiate from Regional.

    Comment by Pete George — November 30, 2011 @ 11:55 am

  62. OK. Let me put that another way. Why doesn’t United Future call itself the Liberal Party, if that’s what it thinks it is?

    Comment by Bill Bennett — November 30, 2011 @ 12:09 pm

  63. Didn’t United Future kick off with a bunch of luke warmists from National and Labour getting into bed together?

    The Future, you see, is united. People who disagree with each other are only just acting really, and if everyone would just stop being so silly and do what is obviously the sensible thing to do then we would all be united and happy in a common sense future.

    It’s a one party state kind of thing.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — November 30, 2011 @ 12:37 pm

  64. Members are United round Peter. Trouble is, when he goes, the party has no Future.

    Should have stuck with the god-botherers/

    Comment by millsy — November 30, 2011 @ 10:18 pm

  65. I see the duplicitous Pete George [United Future candidate, Dunedin] is up to his usual tricks and smears. He quoted me above [see comment 47] only in part, rather than my whole comment, and then picks up Sinner’s final sentence (which I never quoted or agreed with, even implicitly) to make it appear that I did agree with this statement. Just further evidence that the left have no morals or qualms about twisting and making inferences through misquoting others.

    Not a good look for United Future having such an amoral candidate as Mr George representing the party to Dunedin residents I would have thought.

    Comment by Kris K — December 1, 2011 @ 12:34 pm

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