The Dim-Post

December 5, 2011

A hero will rise

Filed under: too fucking crazy to count as politics — danylmc @ 9:03 am

Every election sees a couple of MPs enter Parliament who are – how does one put it? – possessed of odd ideas that don’t quite stand up to public scrutiny, who are quickly identified and run to ground by the press gallery. So, like a jackal stalking a genial and unsuspecting antelope, Danya Levy interviews new New Zealand First MP Richard Prosser, a former columnist for Investigate Magazine who:

dreams of a New Zealand where compulsory military training has returned and the burqa is banned.

Compulsory military training had many social, economic and military benefits, Prosser has written. He stands by that, saying it would be good for New Zealand.

He also stands by his call that New Zealand should follow France’s lead and ban the burqa – a move which had, he wrote, outraged “Muslims, leftists, commies, pinkos, the entire anti-white western civilisation brigade, along with their media toadies”.

Really puts that hypothetical Labour/Greens/NZ First coalition into perspective.


  1. When even Stuff describes someone as having ‘strong opinions,’ you *know* they’re as loony as a coot.

    Comment by Ivan — December 5, 2011 @ 9:10 am

  2. He’s also a Reiki master, South Island secessionist, and climate change denier. Crank bingo!


    Comment by Lew — December 5, 2011 @ 9:16 am

  3. The problem with young people today is… (insert Prosser rant here)

    Comment by alex — December 5, 2011 @ 9:21 am

  4. Banning the burqa is surely the most important issue before us today.
    I hope this gets proper coverage.

    Comment by Roger Parkinson (@RogerParkinson) — December 5, 2011 @ 9:24 am

  5. it’s elephants all the way down

    Comment by amc32 — December 5, 2011 @ 9:28 am

  6. Mind you John Key believes that a sort of compulsory military training as in Boot Camps will reform decadent youth – in spite of the contrary evidence.

    Comment by ianmac — December 5, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  7. Argh, linkfail. Sorry.


    Comment by Lew — December 5, 2011 @ 9:40 am

  8. Ban the Burka and make Hoodies compuslory so that the disaffected element in society that currently wears Hoodies do not feel isolated,

    Comment by Ron — December 5, 2011 @ 9:43 am

  9. Personally I found this to be much more revealing

    “by Richard Prosser on November 22, 2011

    I’m afraid that the coloured gentleman in the solid fuel supply, as far as your argument is concerned, is this; you have fallen into the trap of believing your own propaganda. ”

    Comment by Phil Sage — December 5, 2011 @ 9:43 am

  10. The bulk of the responsibility should be borne by Labour defectors of who decided it was necessary to get Winston in at literally any cost…

    Did anyone really do that? I joked about it, but couldn’t have gone through with it. Anyway, it’s not a bad thing – the nation’s idiots, conspiracy theorists, disordered personalities and tinfoil hat wearers also have a right to parliamentary representation, after all.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — December 5, 2011 @ 10:12 am

  11. He’s mates with the creature whose online moniker is a spoonerism of mine (or vice versa, or whatever)

    Comment by Bed Rater — December 5, 2011 @ 10:14 am

  12. Labour gained about 3 percentage points of the party vote less than all the polls suggested (~30%->27%) and NZF gained about the same (3.5%->6.8%). Methodologically the claim is that the polls depress Labour support since Labour voters are less likely to have landlines, be home at polling time, &c, and the same reasoning suggests that polls should overstate NZF support. And if you read pre-election comment threads at places like The Standard you can see there’s a groundswell of activist support for Peters.

    I agree it’s not a bad thing in and of itself — as you say, even the crazies deserve representation. But I’m pretty sure electing Richard Prosser was not Labourites’ general intention.


    Comment by Lew — December 5, 2011 @ 10:23 am

  13. Average of the last round of pre-election polls:

    NAT 50.3
    LAB 26.4
    GRE 12.4
    NZF 4.75

    Not saying there weren’t defections from Labour to NZF, but there’s nothing in the polling data that shows Winston and pals picked up more from Labour than National.

    Comment by bradluen — December 5, 2011 @ 10:37 am

  14. I don’t know if there was too much defection – the massively decreased turnout meant a disproportionate level of support amongst voters for New Zealand First, as compared to the wider population only a subset of whom voted.

    Comment by danylmc — December 5, 2011 @ 10:42 am

  15. “Did anyone really do that?”

    Yes, I have confirmed cases, from people who ought to be more politically literate too.

    Comment by Stephen Judd — December 5, 2011 @ 10:49 am

  16. According to Gordon Campbell:

    “Richard Prosser[‘s]… most recent column for Investigate magazine toyed with making it mandatory for taxi drivers to carry Walther pistols, and made the case for dairy owners to be packing shotguns.”

    Comment by uke — December 5, 2011 @ 11:15 am

  17. don’t know if there was too much defection – the massively decreased turnout meant a disproportionate level of support amongst voters for New Zealand First, as compared to the wider population only a subset of whom voted.

    I haven’t looked at this properly, but I’m not sure it’s true. (Lots of caveats to those graphs of course)

    Comment by David Winter — December 5, 2011 @ 11:20 am

  18. In 08 Winnie out-performed the pre-election polls despite massively negative press (Trots quite accurately called it a “pack rape”), so I think he was home already anyway. But good on any strategic Lab voters – better to have NACT on the current knife edge than cruising because of 4.9% wasted votes surely.

    Speaking of which, does the Sharples development indicate that the MP may be sidling towards making serious demands this time? Here’s hoping – tantalisingly close to kingmaker status depending on specials, in any case just a scandal or illness or two away…. poor wee Johnny must be scratching his swede, “most popular since the 1951 strike” but a three-way handshake of loons on his testicles for the next three years…

    Comment by ak — December 5, 2011 @ 11:32 am

  19. It’s no surprise that guys like Prosser turn up in Parliament. Our political media coverage has increasingly gone in the opposite direction from the actual political system.

    Perception … it’s presidential. We’re supposedly voting for 60 John Keys, 8 Winstons, etc (and it’s getting worse, this year the name “National” was deleted, by National).

    Reality … it’s parliamentary. With no waka-jumping law, so you can guarantee there’ll be splits and (party) births and deaths in the next three years. It’s happened in every MMP term.

    You can also guarantee that in three years’ time, the coverage of the next election will ignore this.

    Comment by sammy — December 5, 2011 @ 11:59 am

  20. uke @17, I like to think that was a typo and he actually wants taxi drivers to carry water pistols. I’d vote for that.

    Comment by NN — December 5, 2011 @ 2:12 pm

  21. @ NN: Sadly no. Prosser believes that if Norway had had more liberal gun laws, Breivik would have been stopped in his tracks. Here are some choice quotes from the online Investigate archive:

    “…good people must be provided with the means and freedom to protect themselves and others against the violations of the evil and the insane…. Instead, however, we hide behind the cowardly PC cop-out that comprises modern laws on self-defence, upholding the rights of criminals and punishing the innocent and the lawabiding. As another enlightened commentator put it, we seem to believe that a woman lying dead in an alleyway, beaten, raped, and then strangled with her own underwear, is somehow morally superior to another woman explaining to the cops that the dead thug bleeding out in the same alley only has nine slugs in him because her Glock jammed while firing the tenth….

    It is well past high time that the tables were turned. As recently as 1973, every Bank in New Zealand had a pistol under the counter, and tellers undertook regular revolver training. Whose brilliantly stupid idea was it for that policy to be abandoned? As far as Yours Truly is concerned, dairy owners and householders alike damned well should be allowed to have a shotgun within reach, and taxi drivers as well as cops should almost be required to have at least a Walther PPK clipped to the sun visor.”

    Comment by uke — December 5, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  22. It seems that Prosser hasn’t considered the possibility that a goodly portion of the taxi drivers and shop keepers he believes should be armed may also belong to a religion that he apparently fears and loathes.

    Comment by FeralKiwi — December 5, 2011 @ 3:17 pm

  23. @ uke

    “When catapaults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapaults” – Aristotle

    (not sure if real Aristotle quote, or trolling troll-trolling)

    Comment by Phil — December 5, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  24. taxi drivers as well as cops should almost be required to have at least a Walther PPK clipped to the sun visor

    He’s really out of touch isn’t he? A Walther PPK is so last century Doesn’t he know it’s a Glock everyone wants now,

    Comment by TerryB — December 5, 2011 @ 3:41 pm

  25. He’s really out of touch isn’t he? A Walther PPK is so last century Doesn’t he know it’s a Glock everyone wants now

    Walther PPK, 7.65 millimeter, with a delivery like a brick through a plate-glass window. The American CIA swear by them!

    Comment by Hugh — December 5, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

  26. @ Lew, meeeow re: Kerre W.

    Comment by merv — December 5, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

  27. “Compulsory military training had many economic benefits.”

    Cant think of any economic benefits only disadvantages. The idea that government spending can stimulate the economy so yep what a utter crack pot.

    Comment by Simon — December 5, 2011 @ 8:49 pm

  28. I doubt he is the most insane – he just has left more evidence. Always the problem with writers/bloggers etc. Too many crazy, random thoughts that can be archived and used against you.

    Anyway, I reckon Anne Tolley is a huge dose of crazy. And Judith Collins – psychopath much.

    Comment by Tim — December 5, 2011 @ 9:27 pm

  29. I’m still waiting for Brendan Horan’s maiden speech. I played sport with him as a teen, against him in my 20s. He was a character. Maybe he’s grown a wiser head in the last ten years. But NZF is the natural party for him, it’s all about cheek. Since he’s not the chief, just one of the indians, he probably won’t be any trouble at all.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — December 6, 2011 @ 10:05 am

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