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December 13, 2011

Is Shearer a risk for Labour?

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 7:46 pm

That’s the conventional wisdom, and it’s what I said a couple days ago. But thinking about it, if we assume that either of the two candidates would – if unsuccessful – be rolled within 12-18 months, then Shearer is the least risky, since Cunliffe is up and ready to go as a replacement, while Shearer’s inexperience would be an even greater stumbling block if he were parachuted in six months out from an election year. So in that sense he’s the more conservative choice.

20 Comments »

  1. Cunliffe is up and ready to go as a replacement

    I’m sure Grant Robertson would have something to say about that.

    Comment by bradluen — December 13, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

  2. Yep, I thought the same thing. Give him a crack and if it doesn’t work there’s a ready backup plan.

    It will be easier to replace Shearer if he doesn’t get up to speed in 1-2 years, Cunliffe would have been a lot harder to dislodge. But if Shearer doesn’t make it I think it will be more the party’s fault than his. There’s a few very grumpy people around, but if the hissy fit out the party may be better off without them.

    Comment by Pete George — December 13, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

  3. No Labour is a risk for Labour.

    It was at one time a party of men who worked with their muscles and knew the meaning of real work.

    It has become a party of effete intellectuals who wouldn’t know a ball peen hammer from a mattock and would struggle to lift the later let alone swing it.

    Comment by Andrei — December 13, 2011 @ 8:09 pm

  4. if Shearer doesn’t make it I think it will be more the party’s fault than his.

    Shearer is responsible for his own success, or failure, as leader of the Labour party. Yes, there are some very grumpy people around, but there are also plenty of people who did not support him, but are nevertheless prepared to accept the outcome and give him a go. But *he* is the person who needs to make something of that opportunity, and *he* is the person who needs to do the work to get the party onside, and *he* is is the person who needs to demonstrate that he is capable of taking the fight to National.

    Comment by Deborah — December 13, 2011 @ 8:56 pm

  5. But…but…is it bad for Phil Goff?

    Comment by Ornery — December 13, 2011 @ 9:59 pm

  6. Poor old Phil , listened to him on RNZ this afternoon. He’s saying he will be restanding again in 2014. Clearly no immediate job prospects in either New York or Kabul. Might be something in Pyongyang coming up.

    Comment by Andy C — December 13, 2011 @ 10:10 pm

  7. the Labour caucus appears to have picked up on the general centre-left preference for a non-political operator.

    Either that or Cunliffe really is that unpopular.

    Shearer is responsible for his own success, or failure, as leader of the Labour party…

    at least so-called liberals weren’t going around calling Cunliffe “evil”.

    Comment by NeilM — December 13, 2011 @ 11:06 pm

  8. How much more core support will Labour jettison if the Shearer experiment doesn’t go according to plan within the next 18 months ?

    They’re asking a lot from the party faithful to hang their hopes and dreams on an untested political novice when they’ve just been handed the election result many knew would be the case as soon as Goff was anointed as leader after the 08 election.

    So now if it all turns to custard, then they’ll hand the poisoned chalice to Cunliffe and expect him to be the saviour when the economy truly tanks under Key ?

    …cos you can just bet your bottom polling dollar Robertson is about as electable as English is without Key.

    i think i might join the green party tomorrow.

    Comment by pollywog — December 14, 2011 @ 1:29 am

  9. @ Pollywog

    Good call – you can sign up here:
    https://my.greens.org.nz/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=17😛

    @ Andrei
    I’m sorry that intellectuals offend you – I’m not sure what is particularly ‘effete’ about David Shearers work history, perhaps he would be more likeable if he has spent 20 years on building sites and it slaughterworks. Re hammers: There is a reason why power tools were invented. Perhaps if you want to bolster your ‘Manly’ credentials you could go write another blog hating on gay people – that’s how you prove you ar a real man right!

    Comment by Richard29 — December 14, 2011 @ 7:22 am

  10. It was at one time a party of men who worked with their muscles and knew the meaning of real work.

    You are so gay.

    Comment by danylmc — December 14, 2011 @ 7:48 am

  11. Andrei is a god botherer from way back. As far as he is concerned, it’s all been a slippery slope since that intellectual dude Galileo uttered “Eppur si muove”.

    Comment by Sanctuary — December 14, 2011 @ 7:49 am

  12. a party of men who worked with their muscles and knew the meaning of real work

    Comment by Joe W — December 14, 2011 @ 7:53 am

  13. A strangely appropriate video given that over at Andrei’s site of choice, the barking mad NZ Conservative, they’ve got a story entitled “What did the medievals do about welfare?”

    P.S. Just had a read of their second story. Satire is redundant.

    Comment by Sanctuary — December 14, 2011 @ 8:04 am

  14. Andrei’s site of choice, the barking mad NZ Conservative

    Checked that site out a few years back, when they appeared to be attempting to teach Dad4justice to walk on his hind legs. Even Redbaiter gave that away as a bad job.

    Comment by Joe W — December 14, 2011 @ 8:18 am

  15. Joe, so good. You win this round of the glass bead game.

    L

    Comment by Lew — December 14, 2011 @ 8:19 am

  16. Magister Ludi-crous?

    Comment by Joe W — December 14, 2011 @ 8:20 am

  17. Shearer is only a risk for the crazies that still have some stupid belief that Labour did very well in 2011 and that the only reason they lost is thanks to the evils of the right-wing MSM.

    Comment by gingercrush — December 14, 2011 @ 8:56 am

  18. David Shearer put it very eloquently when he stated his desire to go to the benches, the Maraes, the dole offices, etc, to find out just what it is that the people want.

    Daniel Lang
    http://liberalpartyofnzandotherinsanestuff.blogspot.com

    Comment by Dannyboy — December 15, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

  19. go to the benches, the Maraes, the dole offices, etc, to find out just what it is that the people want.

    3 piece quarter pack thanks…upsized of course

    Comment by pollywog — December 15, 2011 @ 10:08 pm

  20. For morning Tea. Now for lunch I’ll have a bucket.

    Comment by will — December 15, 2011 @ 10:38 pm


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