The Dim-Post

August 8, 2012

Geddis bait

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 8:19 am

The Greens are unhappy with the amount of money the government is spending on roads, in this case the $75 million to underground a road for Wellington’s war memorial park. So what else is new? But further down the story:

The Greens are also concerned about the overriding powers the Government is planning to give itself in the Memorial Park Enabling Act.

Memorial Park Enabling Act?

Update: A National spokesman insists that the Memorial Park Enabling Act is actually called the National War Memorial Park (Pukeahu) Empowering Bill

26 Comments »

  1. I am already watching for the bill. It is not public yet.

    Comment by Phil Lyth — August 8, 2012 @ 8:27 am

  2. extraordinary that they would use the term ‘enabling act’ given its historical connotations – especially when this is a monument, in part, to people who fought Hitler.

    Comment by Deano — August 8, 2012 @ 9:32 am

  3. @ Deano

    You’re faith in assuming that any of the current crop of government ministers have an appreciation of either modern European history or irony is touching.

    To the Buckle Street proposal though – how the fuck do you spend $75m on a 300m tunnel?
    Granted I’m no civil engineer, and while I don’t know if the cost is excessive, it doesn’t appear to be a particularly sensible spend.

    Wouldn’t a nice bridge from the cenotaph to the proposed park suffice? (particularly if the crest of the street was leveled out).

    Comment by Gregor W — August 8, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  4. The gist is they spent so long pulling the plan out of the bin and adding the undergrounding they rejected back on that there’s not time to do it under the current law. So I assume they have to appoint a memorial park tzar with powers to enforce landscaping with extreme prejudice.

    Comment by lyndon — August 8, 2012 @ 10:03 am

  5. “extraordinary that they would use the term ‘enabling act’ given its historical connotations – especially when this is a monument, in part, to people who fought Hitler.”

    Maybe someone in PCO has a morbid sense of humour … .

    As for danyl’s attempt to muscle in on the lucrative world of blogging about issues of arcane constitutional theory – he’d better check under his car in case Dean Knight plants a couple of kilos of semtex there. We don’t take kindly to strangers in these parts.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — August 8, 2012 @ 10:17 am

  6. The Act’s name wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the accompanying media release:

    “Memorial Park: Government welcomes Final Solution.”

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 8, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  7. It’s going to be very very tight getting it done in time for 2015. The non tunnel plan was already tight and they’ve been designing it for years.

    This is muldoonism/clarkism writ large – key wants it so will change the law to get it, which is IMO the bigger political issue; key is only in his second term and already showing signs of grand public legacy gestures and let them eat cakism

    Comment by insider — August 8, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  8. Especially when his government canned the thing back in 2009. Why the sudden change??

    Comment by max — August 8, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  9. How come we’ve managed for 80 years with a war memorial facing the street and a gas station, and now we need an urgent Enabling Act?

    I look forward to a future when war memorials fall into disrepair, because war has become a scourge of the past, like smallpox and plague.

    Comment by Rich d'Rich (@rich_d_rich) — August 8, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  10. @ max

    Clark had a grand vision but never funded it. Perhaps key needs a distraction and there is nowhere close by to annex

    Comment by insider — August 8, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

  11. >>The Act’s name wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the accompanying media release:

    “Memorial Park: Government welcomes Final Solution.”

    Sammy is that for real?

    Comment by Dv — August 8, 2012 @ 12:42 pm

  12. Memorial Park: Government welcomes Final Solution.

    In relation to the proposed Buckle Street initiative, Transport Minister Stephen Joyce was recently overheard at the National party conference as stating “[Tunnel] work will set the you [Wellington commuters] free”.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 8, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  13. DV: Not real. Well, not yet.

    Re- Danyl’s Update … the National spokesman should have a word with the Dom-Post, which reported: “Prime Minister John Key said work would begin in October, provided Parliament supported the Memorial Park Enabling Act.”

    Mis-reporting or Key’s latest malapropism? (he’s got a long track record, after all … “put the cap back on the toothbrush” was my favourite).

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 8, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  14. @ Rich d’Rich:
    “I look forward to a future when war memorials fall into disrepair, because war has become a scourge of the past, like smallpox and plague.”

    I think you’d need a Serenity-esque anti-aggression vaccine to get that result. Of course, the minimal side-effects aren’t flash…

    Comment by Ataahua — August 8, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  15. Andrew,

    Danyl need not bother looking under his car. Trying to get any Semtex these days from Explosia would be extremely unlikely. Even if you could, it contains detection taggant ( para-mononitrotoluene ) so border security can detect shipments to aggressive constitutional nerds.

    Comment by Bruce Hamilton — August 8, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  16. Bruce,

    I have it on reliable sources that Dean has a considerable store in his deepfreezer, smuggled into the country in the late ’80s in case his calls for NZ to become a republic go unheaded. It’s just he’s not a very organised individual, so still hasn’t got around to unleashing his reign of terror upon the nation. But one day … !

    (As a side note, I wonder if this thread constitutes a sufficient basis for the Police’s Special Tactics Group to launch an armed raid on his house?Maybe if I add in an allegation that he illegally downloaded an episode of Game of Thrones Season 2, that’ll tip the scales?)

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — August 8, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  17. Andrew, I suspect you’ll need to furnish a photo of him with an automatic nerf-gun to really seal the deal.

    Comment by mikaerecurtis — August 8, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  18. As a side note, I wonder if this thread constitutes a sufficient basis for the Police’s Special Tactics Group to launch an armed raid on his house?

    STG would be stoked if they could finally get to use the choppers this time.
    Those pricks over @ NZDF get all the sweet toys.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 8, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  19. @Ataahua – none of the small wars NZ’s been involved in over the past 67 years have threatened our national interests, we’ve only been involved because governments wanted to creep to powerful nations (primarily the USA). If we’d declared neutrality after WW2, the last people to see active warfare on behalf of NZ would be in their eighties, and we’d be a few years away from losing the memory of war amongst the living.
    No need for ant-agression vaccines. (What is ‘serenity’ – I don’t do TV or science fiction).

    Comment by Rich d'Rich (@rich_d_rich) — August 8, 2012 @ 5:02 pm

  20. I thought we were broke and could not afford anything?

    WTF!

    A tunnel anywhere in Wellington is questionable.

    Under the Basin Reserve is insanity. Has anyone spoken to any geologists?

    Comment by peterlepaysan — August 8, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  21. Has anyone spoken to any geologists?

    Someone has to write an NZ sitcom with that as its catchphrase.

    Comment by NeilM — August 8, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  22. @ farmer pete

    “A tunnel anywhere in Wellington is questionable.”

    Yeah, the Mt Vic, Hataitai Bus, Northland, Seatoun, Karori and Terrace Tunnels were just passing fads.

    Comment by insider — August 9, 2012 @ 10:29 am

  23. I didn’t want to say it, insider.

    FYI peter – I don’t think there has ever been a plan to go under the Basin. It was a flyover I believe.
    Not quite as insane but equally unnecessary.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 9, 2012 @ 10:38 am

  24. @gregor

    First, never was a flyover proposed over the basin. That was feverish imagination put out by Goebbels like extremists in MT Victoria, whose main care was their comfortable position dressed up as environmentalism, care for the urban fabric and ‘separation’ (“You shouldn’t drive, you should walk to work like us. What do you mean you can’t afford to live in Mt Victoria? What’s wrong with you? We can. Don’t blame us because you decided to have children. Your honour, we wish to object to the development of high density housing on Mt Victoria as it would ruin our property values, I mean the historic integrity of this unique quarter, which is valued by many; highly valued…That kind of development is much better suited to more distant suburbs of the icky kind.”). Of course they get very keen on separation when the boys from Newtown start cruising the mount in their Fords and Nissans after dark…

    The flyover only ‘flies over’ the existing road.It’s further away from the Basin than the current road, known for contributing much of the sound effects to international cricket broadcasts.

    There have been crazy plans to go under the Basin almost since it was built. Wellington City proposed the latest, a last minute spoiler tunnel under the Basin. It was pure political face saving. They didn’t want to be seen to be overtly supporting the flyover, so they supported a bat sheet crazy (hey it is Celia W-B we are talking about…) tunnel under a boggy valley that no-one else was seriously suggesting, with their next best option a ‘say-it-very-quietly-and-hope-they-don’t-hear-us’ flyover…

    Comment by insider — August 9, 2012 @ 1:00 pm

  25. @ insider

    I knew the ‘elevated road = flyover’ bit but didn’t realise the WCC had actually been kiting a tunnel option.
    Batshit as you say.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 9, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  26. Ha, insider has those Mount Victorians pegged: i know a few of them.
    (Don’t forget all the railway tunnels! Wouldn’t a tunnel under the basin be below sea level?)

    Comment by Clunking Fist — August 10, 2012 @ 1:16 pm


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