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April 10, 2013

Very good paragraphs: Russell Brand on Thatcher

Filed under: history — danylmc @ 8:40 am

Via the Huffington Post:

It always struck me as peculiar, too, when the Spice Girls briefly championed Thatcher as an early example of Girl Power. I don’t see that. She is an anomaly, a product of the freak-conomy of her time. Barack Obama interestingly said in his statement that she had “broken the glass ceiling for other women.” Only in the sense that all the women beneath her were blinded by falling shards. She is an icon of individualism, not of feminism.

17 Comments »

  1. Thatcher did bugger-all for other women, granted. But her success as PM made it pretty much impossible for anyone in Britain to seriously argue that women couldn’t lead men, couldn’t be in positions of real power, etc. Arguments I’m guessing were pretty common in 1979.

    Comment by helenalex — April 10, 2013 @ 8:50 am

  2. Well blow me down if I don’t have a new found respect for Russell Brand. What an excellent opinion peice. Not bad for a guy who dressed as Bin Laden on MTV on September 12 2001

    Comment by max — April 10, 2013 @ 9:07 am

  3. That’s my biggest problem with Russell Brand – he’s an arrogant, preening narcissist, who is also so genuinely talented that he justifiably gets away with it. The prick.

    Comment by Josh — April 10, 2013 @ 9:30 am

  4. “…That’s my biggest problem with Russell Brand – he’s an arrogant, preening narcissist, who is also so genuinely talented that he justifiably gets away with it. The prick…”

    Such a Protestant!😉

    That is a cracking good read from Mr. Brand.

    Comment by Sanctuary — April 10, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  5. I like his ‘Do Something’ song.

    Comment by danylmc — April 10, 2013 @ 9:53 am

  6. On thing that often stands out in commentary regarding Thatcher is the infamous phrase “There is no such thing as society.”
    It’s strange that this comment is so routinely decontextualised.

    Comment by Gregor W — April 10, 2013 @ 10:10 am

  7. Whereas most people are trotting out politely false tributes because that’s what you do when somebody dies, Americans (generalisation alert!) seem to genuinely believe them. Bloody Meryl Streep. So, good on Russell.

    If you want a further indication of feelings in the UK about Thatcher, here’s a couple –

    i) the Telegraph has had to shut down its online comments section on Thatcher tributes, as it’s been inundated with people exercising their freedom … supposedly a true Thatcherite value, but you can’t give the peasants too much, they’ll use it to say the wrong thing.

    ii) Football clubs are not holding a minute’s silence before games, because they know what the fans’ reaction would be. As a barometer of public opinion, that’s worth more than a hundred Herald columns or live crosses to central London (memo to TV reporters: that’s not Britain).

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — April 10, 2013 @ 10:25 am

  8. (Generalisation alert!) The lower class football yob is as much a barometer of public opinion in the UK as the Mongrel Mob member in their Cannons Creek safe-house is a barometer of public opinion in New Zealand.

    Comment by Phil — April 10, 2013 @ 11:33 am

  9. If you think the EPL stadiums in 2013 are the domain of the “lower class football yob” you obviously haven’t paid attention to the game since Thatcher was in power.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — April 10, 2013 @ 12:18 pm

  10. Phil – that doesn’t even qualify as a generalisation. It’s just a rampantly dumb comment.

    Caveat: Dalrymple has written some great pieces on the ascendance of yobishness across all classes which he regards as culturally sine qua non to modern Britishness.

    Comment by Gregor W — April 10, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

  11. @Sammy: the EPL is only a subset of ‘football clubs’ – I mistakenly assumed you meant the broader leagues, rather than just those owned by Russian Oligarchs and their new-money peers.

    Comment by Phil — April 10, 2013 @ 12:48 pm

  12. That was an excellent article, thanks for linking.

    I loved this sentence though “..but it seems Thatcher’s time in power was solely spent diminishing the resources of those who had least for the advancement of those who had most.”

    Replace Thatcher’s name with John Key’s, and it still makes sense.

    Comment by Tane W — April 10, 2013 @ 3:43 pm

  13. Couple of other paras:

    I may not agree with covering all the lands in a second darkness but greatly respect Sauron’s political achievements and personal strength.—
    Andrew Rilstone (@AndrewRilstone) April 8

    Regardless of whether you agreed or disagreed with his analysis, he certainly stood up for what he believed in – he certainly got something done. He had guts and conviction – qualities which are much needed today.
    Nobody needs to tell me how divisive his politics were on the ground. Poland in 1939 was often not a fun place to be. Yet nobody can deny that he had a vision, as well as the strength and courage to see that vision become a reality. Those qualities are to be admired, regardless of the disagreements we may rightly have with the effects of his policies on the people we stand up for.
    Mike Taylor April 9

    Comment by ropata — April 10, 2013 @ 5:51 pm

  14. @Phil – On the ignorant comment scale, from 1 to skull crushingly stupid, you’d rate very highly.

    Comment by awbraae — April 10, 2013 @ 10:31 pm

  15. I’m gald to see we have something in common

    Comment by Phil — April 11, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  16. “Thatcher did bugger-all for other women, granted.”

    Given women make up 50% of the population of Britain, yeah, she did quite a lot for women.

    Comment by Swan — April 11, 2013 @ 6:12 pm

  17. She was not an icon of anything apart from being glorified unnecessary for what she did, the position she attained at the expense of everything and everyone else, the war she caused over the Falkland Islands which was unnecessary, the financial strife she caused low income workers and their families, the unemployment she caused, the trinkets she amassed illegally for herself and for her son Mark, who is now another glorified parasite and has the audacity to make a statement in tribute to his mother. I would be ashamed to have her for a mother.

    Comment by Dan — April 13, 2013 @ 11:41 am


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