The Dim-Post

September 21, 2013

Making the Wellington local body elections REALLY easy

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 2:44 pm

Remember the Wellywood sign?

A motion by Wellington City Council opposing the controversial Wellywood sign has been condemned as “posturing” by one councillor.

Wellington mayor Celia Wade-Brown successfully moved a motion at last night’s full council meeting asking Wellington International Airport to reconsider its decision to put up the sign. It passed by 10-4.

But Wellington City councillor John Morrison told Radio New Zealand this morning that the resolution was “a posturing effort” that would achieve nothing.

But the person you REALLY want to be ranking last behind every other candidate (if you live in the right ward) is:

Economic portfolio leader Jo Coughlan, a Wellywood supporter, said: “It is all part of a longer-term plan to position Wellington internationally as a destination and it’s got to be a good thing.”

If you’re going to any of the candidates meetings, please raise the Wellywood sign with John Morrison and Jo Coughlan. And if you find yourself working as the editor of Wellington’s only daily newspaper you might want to report on embarrassing gaffes made by Morrison, a mayoral candidate, even if it might hurt his chances against an incumbent Mayor you openly despise.

Remember: under STV the most effective way to vote against a candidate is to rank ALL of their opponents and leave your nemesis unranked.


  1. Isn’t the most efective way to rank LAST the candidate you do not want?

    Comment by Sacha — September 21, 2013 @ 2:57 pm

  2. The Wellywood sign.

    The runway extension. Christchurch has a bloody great runway (once considered as an emergency landing strip for the Space Shuttle), a larger population and more tourons (tourists want to look at all the pretty stuff in the South Island. They do not want to go to Levin. Sorry Levin). It gets *one* long haul international flight a day, to Singapore. If you go that way, you’ll be in London 3 hours later than if you connected through Auckland on Air NZ. There is no point building a bigger runway just so 737 passengers can look down on all that expensive concrete.

    The flyover/tunnel. I drive through the Mt Vic tunnel maybe once a day. I’m never held up for longer than a couple of minutes, We have the quickest city/airport run in Australasia. Why do we need to pour more concrete?

    The free WiFi. This was going to revolutionise the city as a high-tech capital. All it does is require me to disable WiFi when in the CBD so that my 3G keeps working.

    Comment by richdrich — September 21, 2013 @ 3:02 pm

  3. Same thing.

    Comment by The Fan Club — September 21, 2013 @ 3:03 pm

  4. Sacha: per Mr Edgeler, ranking last and not ranking are equivalent. So you can unvote for someone and not give them the pleasure of a last ranking.

    The main thing is to make sure you rank Wade-Brown above the two righties. Sad but true.

    Comment by richdrich — September 21, 2013 @ 3:05 pm

  5. Was Morrison’s gaffe not reported in the domPost? What? Surely it was.

    Comment by nigelsagentinthefield — September 21, 2013 @ 4:31 pm

  6. Actually, richdrich, I NEVER go to London via Auckland, because it goes via LAX. Who would want to spend ANY time at all sitting in a cloistered “lounge” when you can enjoy the time in Changi Airport, one of the truly great stopovers? It’s not all about the length of time from beginning to end, but also about the experience along the way.

    Comment by David in Chch — September 21, 2013 @ 4:47 pm

  7. Was Morrison’s gaffe not reported in the domPost? What? Surely it was.

    It was reported here, but really only after it was mostly done and dusted.

    The author of the WCC Watch blog seems to be alleging that the DomPost didn’t report the whole thing, at first, because when John Morrison was initially asked to confirm his comments (prior to other witnesses coming forward), he denied that the entire thing had taken place.

    Comment by izogi — September 21, 2013 @ 5:06 pm

  8. David: FYI AirNZ also fly via HKG, where the powers that be allow you to roam the whole terminal for the hour that it takes to feed and milk the plane, and there are at least as many wonders to behold as in Changi (well, no zoo tours).

    Comment by richdrich — September 21, 2013 @ 5:28 pm

  9. The key to ensure you do your best to hurt the candidate you hate is making sure you rate every other candidate higher. This might mean leaving the person you hate unranked, or ranking them last: They’re equivalent.

    Just make sure you don’t leave them unranked alongside others that you don’t hate. In that case, you have no further say in the election and others that did rank those candidates decide who gets in**, which might just be that person you hate.

    (** assuming, ofcourse, that the election isn’t already decided before you run out of preferences)

    Comment by lefty — September 21, 2013 @ 5:37 pm

  10. So can somebody explain to me – why is the Wellywood sign such an awful idea that it should be the dominant issue in a local body election?

    Comment by Hugh — September 21, 2013 @ 8:31 pm

  11. Because, Hugh, with apologies to Martin Amis, it would make us all look like right cunts, innit?

    Comment by Guy Smiley — September 21, 2013 @ 9:16 pm

  12. Because, Hugh, it so try-hard. It is akin to the fashion sense of wearing socks with sandals, which my daughters assure me is fatal. It looks gawky, amateurish and derivative. Will that do?

    Comment by David in Chch — September 21, 2013 @ 9:21 pm

  13. Dweebs unite! Innit guy-.

    Comment by toby — September 21, 2013 @ 10:11 pm

  14. #10: It’s horribly unoriginal and cargo-cultist.

    Comment by deepred — September 21, 2013 @ 11:11 pm

  15. Is Wellington really so high up the hierarchy of needs that this is the most pressing issue that needs addressing? You’ve solved all those problems with housing, transport, homelessness, insulation and all that boring stuff, huh?

    Comment by Hugh — September 21, 2013 @ 11:56 pm

  16. Not the most pressing Hugh, but it is symptomatic of Morrisons approach whilst in council.

    Boorish, rightish, twatish.

    Comment by Gregor W — September 22, 2013 @ 10:37 am

  17. God you are a pseud Gregor

    Comment by toby — September 22, 2013 @ 10:49 am

  18. “You’ve solved all those problems with housing, transport, homelessness, insulation and all that boring stuff”

    No, which is why we don’t need a council that’s all about signs and crap. The reason for the sign was mostly in order that the accountants who run the airport (which is intrinsically about as glamorous as the nearby bus depot) can suck up to the movie industry and maybe get invited to mingle with D-list celebs once in a while.

    Comment by richdrich — September 22, 2013 @ 11:24 am

  19. Personally, though, I wouldn’t mind a council that can do two things.

    Comment by izogi — September 22, 2013 @ 12:00 pm

  20. A council that’s “All about signs”? It’s not as if the council is proposing to pay for the sign itself.

    Comment by Hugh — September 22, 2013 @ 6:46 pm

  21. You guys in Wellington should just take the lead from Auckland and bin your voting papers before you even open the envelope.

    Comment by grant — September 22, 2013 @ 8:27 pm

  22. If we wanted to be really cool we’d put ‘Te Whanganui-a-Tara’ up on the hill in big white letters.

    Naa, thought not….

    Comment by Lee C — September 23, 2013 @ 6:41 am

  23. The devil in me is tempted to suggest that if they elect Mystery Morrison, then Wellingtonians would has found their cities true level.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 23, 2013 @ 7:29 am

  24. …their cities true level.

    The City & the City.

    Comment by Flashing Light — September 23, 2013 @ 7:40 am

  25. Richdrich @ 5.28pm

    You are a bit out of touch I’m afraid. You can take an Air New Zealand flight to get to Hong Kong but then you have to switch to Cathay Pacific to go on to London.
    Air New Zealand have dropped the Honk Kong London flight.
    Hong Kong is not a bad airport though. It is certainly the equivalent of Changi.
    I think I’ll stick to the Auckland-Singapore-London route on Singapore Airlines though. The service on SIA is better than on AirNZ

    Comment by Alwyn — September 23, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  26. 6.Actually, richdrich, I NEVER go to London via Auckland, because it goes via LAX.

    So what was meant was ‘because the Air NZ route goes via LAX’. Which is only an issue if you can’t use another carrier for some reason. Singapore and Korean are both very nice.

    More importantly, someone tell me who I should vote for for Mayor and why. The current list is so uninspiring that atm I’m tempted just to not vote for Mayor.

    Comment by helenalex — September 23, 2013 @ 9:55 am

  27. More importantly, someone tell me who I should vote for for Mayor and why.

    I’m conscious of this being a totally Wellington CC thread which seems unmannerly to all those other people, but whatever.. it’s done.

    Is there anything specific that people dislike about Jack Yan, or is he just never popular enough to overshadow the polarised left/right fanaticism votes? He’s been trying for ages, seems to appeal to much of the IT-centred crowd (as far as I can tell), but often seems to come through at number three.

    Comment by izogi — September 23, 2013 @ 10:14 am

  28. “…Is there anything specific that people dislike about Jack Yan…”

    I can’t stand his action movies.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 23, 2013 @ 10:38 am

  29. Jack Yan overcoming the left-right divide? Isn’t he an Alliance member?

    Comment by Hugh — September 23, 2013 @ 10:49 am

  30. Beats me. I don’t know enough about him. But (at least as far as I pay attention) he normally seems to come third after a much more dominant fight between left and right between two candidates who aren’t him.

    Comment by izogi — September 23, 2013 @ 10:52 am

  31. Well, he stood as an Alliance list candidate in 2008 according to wikipedia, but not in 2011. I suppose it’s possible he’s left the party, but still.

    Comment by Hugh — September 23, 2013 @ 10:58 am

  32. At least the antics from people like Morrison make the Mayoralty/Council elections vaguely interesting, and give you a reason to vote a certain way.

    In contrast, I actually read the DHB candidate blurbs last night to help me sleep.

    Comment by Auto_Immune — September 23, 2013 @ 11:25 am

  33. I forgot to read the DHB blurbs before numbering off (Sandra Coney 1 … then 2 guys I work with/have worked with then random people … Brian Neeson, Christine Rankin and John Tamihere 33, 34, 35) and mistakenly gave a high rank to someone whose views on fluoridation I oppose.


    Comment by MeToo — September 23, 2013 @ 1:00 pm

  34. Makes one glad that Wellington Super City has not occurred, and that we Upper Hutters are not paying for silly try-hard signs

    Comment by Leopold — September 23, 2013 @ 1:54 pm

  35. 28.“…Is there anything specific that people dislike about Jack Yan…”

    Yan is a screeming Pinko who interestingly claims Scots College as his Alma Mater though I know for a fact he spent most of his time at Rongotai.

    He also has the handicap of always looking like he has just woken up.

    Comment by King Kong — September 23, 2013 @ 3:37 pm

  36. Morrison is terrible but at least he will actually do things whilst being terrible so he’s got my shamevote.

    Comment by Trouble Man — September 23, 2013 @ 5:50 pm

  37. @Trouble Man: that’s how I’m starting to lean too, since there appear to be no good left wing candidates. I rationalise that Blumsky was pretty good despite being a Nat, so maybe Morrison will be too.

    I’m reluctant to consider Yan or anyone else who wants to be mayor without being a councilor first. I think you should have some demonstrated ability to function in local government before you’re put in charge of it.

    I would quite like Paul Eagle to stand. I have little idea what he’s actually done, but judging by the number of signs on private property (far more than any other Labour person let alone any of the others) a lot of people think he’s great. Also he had someone door knock us to see if there were any local problems he could deal with.

    Comment by helenalex — September 23, 2013 @ 7:45 pm

  38. I’m not sure that Morrison will be able to “do” anything, much more than any other candidate. The WCC is pretty hopeless at determining anything close to consensus on significant issues.

    Comment by Gregor W — September 23, 2013 @ 8:22 pm

  39. Morrison = more carparks, more ugly carpark buildings, more roads, more motorways, less public transport, less cycling, less vibrant central city. If you preferred Wellington in 1987 when we had road races round our streets he’s your man. Wade-Brown screwed up by campaigning on more cycling infrastructure and delivering nothing at all in three years (except if you live in Tawa). Her’s is a mistake of strategy not of ideology. Personally I prefer Jack Yan as I am reluctant to vote for a baby boomer. They’ve all been brainwashed since birth that cars equal freedom so we’ll never see any decent pro-urban change until they’re all ousted from power quite frankly.

    Comment by meh — September 24, 2013 @ 4:33 am

  40. All the candidates are a bit dull so the choice is around issues. Flyover – if you want it vote John, if not vote Celia. Spending – more sport vota John, more Arts vote Celia.

    If you want entertainment go to the movies.

    Comment by nigelsagentinthefield — September 24, 2013 @ 9:26 am

  41. It’s not really just up to the mayor to ‘achieve something’ The Mayor only gets one vote on the council, so it’s up to the whole council. And then when the council decides what it wants to do, the current government will turn round and say ‘no, you can’t do that. There’s no money for you to do that, because we’ve allocated all the money for you to do this other thing that you don’t want to do’. If your main interest is in getting things done, you should probably vote for John Morrison and other councillors who want to build lots of motorways, because the government will help them do that, whereas voting for Celia and Paul Eagle and Andy Foster and such people will result in a council that won’t get things done because what it wants to do will get blocked by Steven Joyce.

    On the other hand, you may feel that ‘getting something done’ is not enough, and that you would rather have a council that fights to get worthwhile things done rather than one that focuses on ‘getting things done’ to the detriment of any consideration of what those things are. History has judged Hitler and Pol Pot negatively, even though by the criterion of ‘getting things done’ they did quite well.

    You could always just elect the people who are going to try and to the things you agree with, and if they can’t do these things because the government won’t let them, there’s an election next year when you can vote to change the government.

    Comment by kahikatea — September 24, 2013 @ 11:55 am

  42. If you preferred Wellington in 1987 when we had road races round our streets

    Personally, I would LOVE to see a revival of the touring cars racing around Wellington’s street. As a child I have fond memories of their sighs and sounds.
    The debacle a few years back seemed to me like a missed opportunity. Hamilton did a cracking job with it and pumped millions into the local economy.


    Comment by Phil — September 24, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

  43. Hamilton did a cracking job with it and pumped millions into the local economy.

    Not so much.

    “No overall project proposal, business case, or overall assessment of the event’s risks and opportunities was ever prepared. The event’s total costs were not properly reported to council members for two years. And, because of the way these costs were split internally between different budgets, it was hard for anyone to work out the total. No due diligence was done on the promoter.

    Nor was it known, even by many within the council, that payments had been made to the failed promoter’s creditors. The extensive use of publicly excluded, as well as informal, meetings around the race contract, and its costs, lacked transparency – and was, therefore, a major contributant to the considerable public disquiet around the event.”

    h/t AuditNZ

    Comment by Gregor W — September 24, 2013 @ 5:30 pm

  44. #41: Such stonewalling from the likes of Prostetnic Vogon Joyce is already happening in Auckland with the Unitary Plan and the City Rail Loop.

    #42 & 43: And guess who was party to the loss-making Hamilton V8 race? None other than ex-CCC CEO Tony Marryatt, who’s just been put on gardening leave in the Garden City.

    Another factor is that the Welly waterfront is more heavily developed today than in 1987, when it was strictly industrial space.

    Comment by deepred — September 24, 2013 @ 6:59 pm

  45. These events don’t boost the economy much, if at all. If I was dumb enough to have money in hospo or tourism, I’d want a steady level of custom, not a crazy rush a couple of days a year – that doesn’t lead to profits (as many bar owners who spent millions ahead of the Lions tour / RWC found out). Sensible regulation (such as allowing well-run bars to open and close when they want) is the best the council can do for this industry.

    If the council wants to finance entertainment, it should be treated as fun, not an investment and should have a reasonable cost for the fun-factor. Spending tens of millions on a sporting event is not good value. A few hundred thousand on Cuba St carnival would be.

    Comment by richdrich — September 25, 2013 @ 1:37 pm

  46. Generation Zero have posted their scorecard for candidates –

    Comment by Sacha — September 25, 2013 @ 7:05 pm

  47. Jarrod Baker has emailed Lambton Ward candidates asking them for their stance on continued fluoridation of the water supply. (Includes Mayoral, Regional Council and DHB Candidates)

    Results here:

    Comment by Simon — September 26, 2013 @ 9:39 am

  48. “asking them for their stance on continued fluoridation of the water supply” beltway/green lunatic issue

    Comment by toby — September 26, 2013 @ 7:06 pm

  49. >.“asking them for their stance on continued fluoridation of the water supply” beltway/green lunatic issue

    Israel must be choc full of lunatics…along with the rest of the world.

    Comment by Ross — September 26, 2013 @ 8:19 pm

  50. FFS, if you’re going to quote don’t do it from the fluoridation action network.Muppet.

    Thursday, 8 August 2013, 11:33 am
    Press Release: Fluoride Action Network

    Comment by toby — September 26, 2013 @ 9:10 pm

  51. Toby, if you’re going to engage mouth before brain, don’t whinge when you’re shown up as a fuckwit.

    NZ is one of the few countries in the world which fluoridates its water, though two-thirds of local councils have banned the practice.

    Comment by Ross — September 27, 2013 @ 9:04 am

  52. Here’s a story about dentists who are opposed to adding fluoride to water. I trust that the Stuff website is an acceptable disseminator of infomation.

    Comment by Ross — September 27, 2013 @ 9:08 am

  53. Israel IS choc full of lunatics and while I don’t often find myself agreeing with trolls like toby, quoting from the Fluoride Action Network as if they weren’t deranged uneducated nutters is foolish.

    Comment by Rob — September 27, 2013 @ 9:09 am

  54. Not to mention that Israel, as many other countries, have totally different issues and environment from New Zealand. Simply saying we should do it because they do it seems quite shallow.

    Israel does plenty of things which I suspect many people would be shocked if New Zealand copied.

    Comment by izogi — September 27, 2013 @ 9:30 am

  55. > Simply saying we should do it because they do it seems quite shallow.

    Except I wasn’t saying that. We shouldn’t add fluoride because it isn’t necessary and because there’s no justification for compulsion. Even here in NZ, most councils have decided it’s a no-no.

    Comment by Ross — September 27, 2013 @ 3:07 pm

  56. “46.Generation Zero have posted their scorecard for candidates ”
    Wow: thanks for linking to that. Since I think our chances of preventing Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming by unilaterally butt-fracking NZ industry, their employees and those suffering from energy poverty, I now know to rank highest, those candidates with big red thumbs down.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — October 4, 2013 @ 1:57 pm

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