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December 10, 2013

I find your lack of faith . . . disturbing

Filed under: religion — danylmc @ 3:32 pm

From the census data:

religion

 

29 Comments »

  1. Counted together there are more Satanists and Wiccans (I confess I don’t know the difference) than Rastafarians. That does my head in.

    Comment by Josh Petyt — December 10, 2013 @ 4:04 pm

  2. This is bad for Cernunnos.

    Comment by Gregor W — December 10, 2013 @ 4:13 pm

  3. Jah Rastafari!

    Comment by Ben Wilson — December 10, 2013 @ 4:24 pm

  4. Where are the Pastafarians?

    Comment by Moz in Oz — December 10, 2013 @ 4:25 pm

  5. I’m surprised Rastafarianism has that few (and had so many fewer in 2006); likewise CoS and the Wiccans. You could fit them all in a single hall.

    Comment by JG — December 10, 2013 @ 4:49 pm

  6. Oh, to be a fly on that wall.

    Comment by Josh Petyt — December 10, 2013 @ 5:45 pm

  7. Declining numbers of Wiccans? You’d never know, from the internet….

    Comment by kalvarnsen — December 10, 2013 @ 6:02 pm

  8. I blame the rise in popularity of BBQ reggae

    Comment by max — December 10, 2013 @ 7:32 pm

  9. I don’t remember it clearly now but I seem to recall thinking the census was brought into disrepute by a decision to belittle by ignoring those who entered Jedi as their religion – making it something other than an honest counting of data. If in this thing numbers are misreported by considering some (Wikipedia tells me) “Answer understood, but will not be counted” as “Jedi” was then no part of it can be trusted, can it, when counters apparently choose what answers are acceptable?

    Comment by Fentex — December 10, 2013 @ 11:50 pm

  10. @Fentex: How did the census ‘ignore’ the Jedi? It recorded their statement of belief, that’s it.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — December 11, 2013 @ 12:50 am

  11. I think that should be “it their statement of belief recorded, it did.’ I’m still learning, but in time hope to be able to do the ironing by power of my mind alone. Because there is more chance of that happening than there is my wife might do it – sorry, I meant to say:

    ‘More chance than there is wife do it might…er… that”..

    Ps I think Lord Darth Vader has worked out what Luke is getting for Christmas.
    This because he told me:
    “I have felt his presents…”

    It’s a play on words, you see.

    Comment by Lee C — December 11, 2013 @ 6:35 am

  12. BBQ reggae… ugh.

    Comment by Sanctuary — December 11, 2013 @ 7:28 am

  13. It’s funny because you mentioned the fact that Star Wars exists

    Comment by kalvarnsen — December 11, 2013 @ 7:52 am

  14. Whatever happened to the Jedi? Did the Dark Side win in the end?

    Comment by eszettt — December 11, 2013 @ 8:29 am

  15. Look to the number of Sith. It should be an even number.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — December 11, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  16. Surprised the number of pantheists is so low. Probably most people don’t know what it means, and just write down their main religion.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — December 11, 2013 @ 8:42 am

  17. @eszett: They found some other way to prove how random and hilarious they are to the internet, probably by posting Grumpy Cat pictures.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — December 11, 2013 @ 9:22 am

  18. There are more Spiritualists than the rest of the interesting religions combined. Personally I blame that ‘Sensing Murder’ dreck

    Comment by Conrad — December 11, 2013 @ 9:40 am

  19. There are more Spiritualists than the rest of the interesting religions combined

    Given that the major political / finacial authorities worldwide appear to be directly plugged into Hayek and Friedman, its all starting to make sense.

    Comment by Gregor W — December 11, 2013 @ 11:58 am

  20. the census was brought into disrepute by a decision to belittle by ignoring those who entered Jedi as their religion

    Nope.
    ‘Jedi’ was ignored because of the co-ordinated internet campaign (in the 2001 census?) by a handful of playful geeks to mess with the numbers. It got media traction and grew a life of its own. Stats NZ made the call to ignore the those responses to that question alone. In principle it was no different to the decision they made on the ‘New Zealander’ ethnicity question in 2006.

    Comment by Phil — December 11, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

  21. It would be more interesting to see figures giving change as a % of total membership. When comparing groups that have relatively small and potentially quite widely varying membership numbers, it isn’t necessarily all that enlightening just to present absolute figures for increase/decrease.

    Comment by Higgs Boatswain — December 11, 2013 @ 2:30 pm

  22. So the true number of Jedi is unknown?

    >It would be more interesting to see figures giving change as a % of total membership.

    Hop to it! That’s seriously about 30 seconds work with a calculator.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — December 11, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

  23. You guys kill me.

    Comment by Lee C — December 12, 2013 @ 6:30 am

  24. I can’t comment on issue with in the Jedi or Sith orders, but for the Wiccans and Druids, there is a move in wider pagan circles to stick your religion down as ‘Pagan’ rather then more specific in the hopes of getting it on the list (a bit like the ‘Jedi’ campiagn, but quieter and with more tree hugging) – i.e. people may well have shifted from ‘Wiccan’ or ‘Druid’ to ‘Pagan’ (I know I have). I would be interested to know if the numbers calling themselves ‘Pagan’ have risen by anything like the decline in the related groupings (but I’d better not run the analysis at work…)

    Comment by verdant1 — December 12, 2013 @ 11:39 am

  25. Colin says no to recognised churches. But the Fundamentalists have their own meetings in halls and houses. They like the Bretheren have pretty Conservative views. I wonder which box Colin ticked.

    Comment by xianmac — December 12, 2013 @ 11:51 am

  26. @verdant: You talk about ‘getting it on the list’. Which list is this?

    Comment by kalvarnsen — December 12, 2013 @ 6:33 pm

  27. @kalvarnsen – the list of pre-printed religions you can choose from on the census form – not that it takes that long to write 5 letters, but being on that list does give a sense of having an officially recognised religion. This is not necessarily that a big deal on a personal level, but it does help with things like getting celebrants approved.

    Comment by verdant1 — December 13, 2013 @ 10:35 am

  28. Put myself down as a Satanist. I was considering converting from Christianity to Judaism a few years back, so they could have had an extra Jew in their statistics but, no, I’m considering Satanism to be my gap religion, in the way that people have a gap year in between High school and Uni. Next step may be back to Christianity, or possibly Buddhism but Buddhism isn’t as trendy as it was five years ago when I dabbled in it. Already tried Rastafarianism. Not going to go anywhere near any of the other options you’ve listed.

    Comment by dan — December 15, 2013 @ 2:39 pm

  29. @verdant: That list is just a convenience when it comes to printing censuses. The idea that being on it makes one an ‘officially recognised religion’ is spurious. There’s no such thing in NZ, and being on the census list doesn’t give a religious group any extra rights to have officials approved as celebrants – that’s a separate decision made by Internal Affairs.

    Comment by Hugh — December 21, 2013 @ 4:54 am


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