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March 4, 2014

Internet Party Watch

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 2:49 pm

Hard to believe now, but only a couple of months ago the Internet Party was predicted to be a huge deal in New Zealand politics this year. And I guess it still might be. But I’ve just walked around the clubs stalls at Victoria University and as usual National, Labour and the Greens all had booths there, harvesting emails and signing up volunteers. But there wasn’t an Internet Party stall. Maybe that’s another indicator that they’re going to do everything differently and change the way campaigns are run, but for me its another indicator that this party isn’t going to happen.

Also of interest. No Act on Campus stall. At least, not that I saw.

29 Comments »

  1. They were there, but they had 0% of the space.

    Comment by pete — March 4, 2014 @ 2:51 pm

  2. What are these “stall” things of which you speak? The internet party is on the internet.

    Of course, like twice sub 10% “geek” candidate for the Wellington mayoralty Jack Yan, they’ll come unstuck on the fact that most NZers use the interwebz (correct term) to buy broken garden implements on trademe and to post selfies of their cat. They don’t live there.

    Comment by richdrich — March 4, 2014 @ 3:01 pm

  3. ..or possibly their leader was otherwise occupied delivering PHIL269 Sex & Sexuality:Why it’s OK to hit the crackpipe and root your sister.

    Comment by Gregor W — March 4, 2014 @ 3:03 pm

  4. Which of the two 0% parties is polling higher?

    Comment by George D — March 4, 2014 @ 3:08 pm

  5. Their attraction is so powerful, they don’t even need to set up stalls in order to explain it.

    Comment by Hayden — March 4, 2014 @ 3:24 pm

  6. Any Conservative Party stall?

    Comment by eszettt — March 4, 2014 @ 3:32 pm

  7. Any Conservative Party stall?

    Not that I saw. There was a Marxist stall though.

    Comment by danylmc — March 4, 2014 @ 3:49 pm

  8. Why would Act bother setting up a campus stall when they have the countries leading newspaper acting as their campaign newsletter?
    Plus all the Act grandees were too busy having their meeting at the back of Tasca Cafe in Auckland and pushing (literally) out the way other customers who had the temerity to quietly stand in the queue to pay their bill. (Makes sense, why both actually trying to impress the voters when your strategy is for Uncle John to give you a seat).

    Comment by Ralph — March 4, 2014 @ 3:59 pm

  9. Maybe ACT on Campus have already gone Galt?

    Comment by Ant — March 4, 2014 @ 4:17 pm

  10. And New Zealand First? A large presence?

    Comment by Flashing Light — March 4, 2014 @ 4:30 pm

  11. Maybe ACT on Campus have already gone Galt?

    More likely immanentizing the eschaton.

    Comment by Gregor W — March 4, 2014 @ 4:31 pm

  12. immanentizing the eschaton

    Didn’t see any of them at the Orb gig on Friday. They may have been at Splore. Worrying.

    Comment by richdrich — March 4, 2014 @ 5:10 pm

  13. richdrich: “Of course, like twice sub 10% “geek” candidate for the Wellington mayoralty Jack Yan”

    Just curious, how do you figure that? By my count in 2010 he picked up 5817/53369=10.9% of first preference votes, up to 7426 votes (13.9%) immediately before he was eliminated. In 2013 he managed 8105/56254=14.4% first preference, rising to 9996 (17.8%) immediately before the final iteration. Not an overwhelming majority but hardly sub-10% at any stage in either election.

    Comment by izogi — March 4, 2014 @ 5:49 pm

  14. The problem with press commentary on this is that “This is going to be a big deal” is always a bigger story than “This isn’t”. There’s a bias towards news that shakes up the existing political landscape, so the media has a tendency to overhype the potential for new parties. Remember how, after Brash left ACT, there was talk of a new, classic liberal party to win voters from a Banks-led ACT? Remember how the media made lots of ominous statements about how successful this party would be? Remember how it wasn’t?

    The moment the Internet Party made it clear that their strategy consisted of contesting electorates, they also made it clear that they had no idea what they were doing.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — March 4, 2014 @ 7:51 pm

  15. Like Whyte, Dotcom has got what I’d say was undeserved media attention.

    But then Dotcom makes himself a set of interesting stories. That’s what con artists do.

    It seems to be wearing thin but I suppose a bit like ACT there wasn’t really the need to stoke the fire.

    Dotcom did spend a lot of time and money on currying favour with media types of whom pupils their punches or developed uncharacteristic “nuanced” views of the guy.

    Comment by NeilM — March 4, 2014 @ 9:40 pm

  16. That should read – some of whom pulled their punches…

    Comment by NeilM — March 4, 2014 @ 9:42 pm

  17. The problem with press commmentary on this is that “This is going to be a big deal” is always a bigger story than “This isn’t”. There’s a bias towards news that shakes up the existing political landscape, so the media has a tendency to overhype the potential for new partiees. http://num.to/8154-4894-7761

    Comment by Bru51 — March 4, 2014 @ 11:31 pm

  18. The probblem with prsess commmentary on this is that “This is going tot be a big deal” is alwayss a biggger story than “This isnnm’t”. There’s a bias towarrds news that shakes up the existingg political landscape, so the media has a tendency to overhype the potetntial for new partiees. http://num.to/8154-4894-7761

    Comment by Bru514 — March 4, 2014 @ 11:32 pm

  19. Comparatively, the Greens and the Maori Party were successful in the post-industrial political environment because they introduced new ideologies – green economics and indigenous politics respectively. Though some successes of the ‘Pirate Party’ model in Europe indicates potential of a new ideology based based on civil liberties and less punitive copyright laws, an Internet Party advocating that would be unlikely have a deep ideology on economics, welfare, the Treaty, or environment. In comparison, civil liberties and copyright seem like a luxury. Not that it’s not potentially going to happen, just not the right environment.

    Oh, and looming over the party’s message is a single, wealthy donor with a checkered history.

    Comment by finetoothcolumn — March 5, 2014 @ 12:20 am

  20. Act on Campus only really existed to troll student unions when membership was mandatory. Now they have no purpose.

    Comment by Auto_Immune — March 5, 2014 @ 9:42 am

  21. @izogi – ok, sub 20%. I don’t have time to go googling through council election results. Still a huge chasm between him and electability. He should run for a councillor place and build some momentum if he wants to be mayor ever.

    Comment by richdrich — March 5, 2014 @ 9:53 am

  22. By contrast: huge AOC stall at Auckland Uni orientation, with David Seymour standing around in a suit looking bored and advertisements promising the appearance of Jamie Whyte. (Not that I hang around there, you understand, but they were right next door to the postgraduates’ association stall). The reason for this sudden enthusiasm, I strongly suspect, would be the relatively high density of student voters living on the Mt Eden fringes of the Epsom electorate.

    Comment by Higgs Boatswain — March 5, 2014 @ 1:39 pm

  23. When I say the ‘high density’ of student voters in Epsom, I mean that in both senses of the word.

    Comment by Higgs Boatswain — March 5, 2014 @ 1:41 pm

  24. Higgs, you could have simply said “pun intended”?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — March 5, 2014 @ 1:52 pm

  25. I suppose I could have done, but it wasn’t intended. At least, not initially.

    Clunking Fist, you could possibly get a life?

    Comment by Higgs Boatswain — March 5, 2014 @ 2:01 pm

  26. I could, but my wife would get suspicious. But thanks for thinking of me, Higgs.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — March 5, 2014 @ 2:36 pm

  27. >The reason for this sudden enthusiasm, I strongly suspect, would be the relatively high density of student voters living on the Mt Eden fringes of the Epsom electorate.

    Could also be the fact that it’s got 32,000 or so students. You don’t get very many opportunities to pitch at quite such a large crowd of impressionable minds.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — March 5, 2014 @ 4:56 pm

  28. Ben:: as Danyl noted in the original post there no such stall visible at the Victoria University clubs day. I’d have thought that if Richard Prebble was serious about getting 150k paid members* that a big push at all of the universities would have been part of that.

    *Audrey Young: Too many words and not enough Act, NZ Herald, 3 March.

    Comment by simonpnz — March 5, 2014 @ 5:19 pm

  29. Act on Campus have always been very strong in Auckland (it’s a conservative city). Doesn’t really surprise me that they don’t have a huge number of active volunteers in Wellington (most liberal city in NZ).

    Comment by Amy — March 6, 2014 @ 12:36 pm


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