The Dim-Post

May 8, 2014


Filed under: intelligence — danylmc @ 6:09 am

Via Stuff:

Spy boss Ian Fletcher has denied any mass surveillance of citizens, describing them as “water” rather than the “fish” the spies are interested in.


The revolutionary must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea – Mao Zedong


  1. I don’t believe him.

    Comment by Sanctuary — May 8, 2014 @ 6:52 am

  2. Don’t worry Sanc, Kim Dotcom is going to get 4% of the vote and sort it out, remember?

    Comment by kalvarnsen — May 8, 2014 @ 7:44 am

  3. He’s already on 1.5% according to the latest Roy Morgan poll. Only 2.5% to go and 20ish weeks to get there.

    Comment by northshoreguynz — May 8, 2014 @ 8:03 am

  4. well putting aside the problematic issue of sample size on measuring minority party support in the 1%ish range, I see in the latest Roy Morgan that support for the IP + Mana already equals that of ACT, UF and CCCP on 1.5%. I think that is two MPs if Hone wins his seat? The point is, that isn’t a bad showing, given how much publicity ACT, UF, and CCCP get compared to IP+Mana.

    Comment by Sanctuary — May 8, 2014 @ 8:04 am

  5. heard him pull that old “we would need sooooooo many staff to monitor you all – so stop being alarmist” routine on the radio

    – umm…. five eyes network? computers? the fact that we already know the NSA has the tech to save and scan pretty much every communication on the globe?

    i like his water/fish analogy – is he really saying that they engage in fishing expeditions? – becasue thats how you get fish out of water

    Comment by framu — May 8, 2014 @ 8:06 am

  6. The other thing about Fletcher’s forked tongue is what constitutes a fish in the minds of the GCSB might be quite different to what we in the general public imagine it to look like. If you define everyone in Greenpeace as a fish, then the ocean is teeming with life.

    Comment by Sanctuary — May 8, 2014 @ 9:00 am

  7. Also, our defense forces defined journalists as ‘subversives’.

    Comment by danylmc — May 8, 2014 @ 9:17 am

  8. Whoa, you guys have had too much coffee already this morning

    Comment by Tinakori — May 8, 2014 @ 9:31 am

  9. Definitely weasel words though technically correct if you ascribe active rather than passive monitoring to the word ‘surveillance’.

    However, if you were to take a more liberal view of the word though – that the very act of recording every electronic interaction that passes across a core telco switch (origin, target, transaction type and size, key metadata, semantic content) even though most of it is immediately trashed after being categorised – then we are all most definitely under surveillance.

    Comment by Gregor W — May 8, 2014 @ 10:22 am

  10. Keep goin with the medication Danyl…. How are the voices?;-)

    Comment by Geoff — May 8, 2014 @ 7:58 pm

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