The Dim-Post

June 25, 2014

WTF?

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 11:38 am

Jared Savage at the Herald reports:

Controversial businessman Donghua Liu has issued a new statement to the Herald confirming “close to” $100,000 in total payments to Labour and its MPs – including anonymous donations – but clarifying that the money was not for one bottle of wine.

Today, Liu said: “I did say I made a contribution of close to $100,000 and that is my closing comment in my statement…that is how much I believe I have donated in total to Labour and some of their MPs during their last term in Government.”

He said the figure was the total payments to Labour and its politicians which included the wine auctions, a $2000 donation to the Hawkes Bay Rowing Club, the Yangtze River trip and anonymous donations to MPs.

“I have no reason to inflate this number. It’s as best as I can remember,” said Liu.

So the figure of $100,000 – the original Herald story claimed it was $150,000 – that Liu insists he donated to Labour includes $50,000 to $60,000 that he spent on a staff function on the Yangtze River, which Rick Barker attended, and the money he gave to the Hawkes Bay Rowing Club, which is, y’know, not actually the Labour Party, but rather a rowing club?

This is a fucking joke.

51 Comments »

  1. Oh I see it was the amount that was important not the act and cover up or is that the forgetting

    Comment by rayinnz — June 25, 2014 @ 11:50 am

  2. Here is the original story. (I assume it hasn’t been altered since publication on Sunday)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11279089

    Compare, contrast, and decide for yourselves about the “journalism” of the Herald.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — June 25, 2014 @ 11:57 am

  3. I will repost here please:

    Donghua Liu’s new statement on Labour donation”

    NEW statement? You mean the old one was a load of old clarts?

    The tone of the story sounds like a defense lawyer making excuses. The Herald is trying to extract more juice from the stone whilst simultaneously crapping itself.

    Comment by Sanctuary — June 25, 2014 @ 11:57 am

  4. And you can also decide for yourselves on the “expertise” of Bryce Edwards, and his contribution to public discourse.

    To quote a Labour leader of another time and place, “a period of silence on your part would be welcome.”

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — June 25, 2014 @ 11:59 am

  5. rayinnz: is it a cover up if the allegations made are wildly innacurate? How the hell are Labour meant to respond to the “$100k for a bottle of wine!” allegation if it’s blatantly false? You can’t cover things up that never happened.

    Liu has been so unreliable to this point that I don’t think he gets the benefit of the doubt any more. He needs to provide proof of payment amounts and dates, or shut up.

    As Danyl noted on Twitter, I certainly hope that the Herald will be printing an apology to Labour. What shoddy reporting.

    – @simonpnz

    Comment by simonpnz — June 25, 2014 @ 12:01 pm

  6. This affair is a cement block attached the ankle of David Cunliffe and the Labour Party as they struggle to swim.

    Comment by SHG — June 25, 2014 @ 12:16 pm

  7. Seriously, is the Granny trying to shift the goalposts if the smoking gun has been firing blanks?

    Comment by DeepRed (@DeepRed6502) — June 25, 2014 @ 12:19 pm

  8. Dolphins will be dolphins

    Comment by NeilM — June 25, 2014 @ 12:21 pm

  9. Of course it’s a f**king joke. Plenty of people have known that from the moment it was first suggested. But of course there won’t be any apology from the Herald, and the damage from blatant lies would have already been done. Mission accomplished by Slater et al, time to move to something else. Since its clear they can make s**t up and still be published in the Herald, it should be easy to keep the smears coming – their imagination is the only limit.

    Comment by wtl — June 25, 2014 @ 12:22 pm

  10. There needs to be an inquiry! The onus is now firmly on Labour to prove that they are not a rowing club.

    Comment by Ant — June 25, 2014 @ 12:25 pm

  11. Ant: someone will produce undeniable documentary evidence that David Cunliffe took his wife on a pedalo while on holiday in 2005.

    Comment by Hayden — June 25, 2014 @ 12:36 pm

  12. “Hawkes Bay Rowing club in cash-for-oars imbroglio! Will the leader of the Labour party confirm he has not personally used any of these oars?”

    Comment by Aidan — June 25, 2014 @ 12:38 pm

  13. Labour should sue APN, if only to wipe the smirk of Tim Murphy’s face.

    Comment by Sanctuary — June 25, 2014 @ 12:43 pm

  14. I imagine DPF will be demanding to know why he has never heard of the Yangtze Concrete Factory Branch of the Labour Party, and was it used to launder dirty money for Labour?

    Comment by Sanctuary — June 25, 2014 @ 12:44 pm

  15. “Liu has issued a new statement to the Herald confirming ..”

    I believe the word they were looking for is ‘alleging’ – which is what the rag should have been saying all along in the absence of other evidence.

    Comment by Sacha — June 25, 2014 @ 1:36 pm

  16. Has anyone actually asked Liu to show them the signed book or bottle of wine he allegedly bought? Has anyone asked him for financial records? All of the transactions he claims to have engaged in with the Labour Party will have left paper trails. How come none of the documents can be presented?

    Comment by Nick R — June 25, 2014 @ 1:57 pm

  17. “So the figure of $100,000 – the original Herald story claimed it was $150,000 – that Liu insists he donated to Labour includes $50,000 to $60,000 that he spent on a staff function on the Yangtze River, which Rick Barker attended, and the money he gave to the Hawkes Bay Rowing Club, which is, y’know, not actually the Labour Party, but rather a rowing club?”

    I done tole ya an’ tole ya: piece of fiction from start to finish.

    The Herald obviously doesn’t employ any actual journalists.

    Comment by D'Esterre — June 25, 2014 @ 2:14 pm

  18. It is not a joke in any way shape or form.

    Comment by poled — June 25, 2014 @ 3:17 pm

  19. Lesson – don’t approve residency (citizenship?) against official’s advice. If you do, never accept a donation from that person.

    Appearance is everything, explaining is losing. (Wow, 21 cliches in one sentence).

    Comment by rickrowling — June 25, 2014 @ 4:21 pm

  20. So has there been any donation from Mr Liu to the Labour Party that has been verified?
    And remember to applaud the clever toad Key and his giggling “rumours and gossip” comments while in NY, that gave the story its legs. Nasty little man!

    Comment by xianmac — June 25, 2014 @ 4:22 pm

  21. I think the hospice charity wine auction at the Hawke’s Bay Opera House on June 3, 2007 — the same date as the datestamp on the pic the Herald has been using — is now very much back in play here. The lots (mostly oversize bottles of wine) match the pic too. Fuck knows why Barker, who may still have questions to answer, couldn’t recall that, if that’s the case. And it may transpire that there were sums paid for bottles of wine or a book and you would hope Labour treated those properly. But it’s simply not on to keep treating Liu as a reliable witness (stop saying “confirmed”, start saying “claimed”) and the Herald’s refusal to offer a very explicit clarification, given that only four days ago it alleged $150,000 in mystery donations to Labour as stone cold fact, is just not good enough.

    Comment by russell brown — June 25, 2014 @ 4:44 pm

  22. Hard to see it as anything but a National Party / corporate media attempt to push down Labour’s vote share before the election. But then they do this every election now. It’s become a standard thing.

    Comment by Steve W — June 25, 2014 @ 5:33 pm

  23. But, not fair, Barnsley Beaumont pwomised someone was going to jail! Don’t tell me he’s not the puppet master of the Nats dark ops, but just an out of the loop dickwad who now looks spectacularly stupid.

    Comment by Judge Holden — June 25, 2014 @ 5:48 pm

  24. Apparently Barnsley is none other than comic ex-copper Peter Doone. Imagine a clown.

    Comment by Sacha — June 25, 2014 @ 6:35 pm

  25. Well looks like Danyl and others were right on this one.

    It will be very interesting to find out how the letter got into the hands of the herald and if they double checked with Liu before publishing. My guess is they obviously didn’t, given today’s clarification. Also interesting to know who the letter was addressed to etc.

    Publishing some random letter you happened to come across as a credible statement without some form of cross checking seems bizarre. Why not just publish any old conspiracy?

    Comment by Swan — June 25, 2014 @ 8:00 pm

  26. It’s about time to realise that the “Smiling Assasin” is the greatest confidence trickster we have elected to power.

    Comment by Aotea ian — June 25, 2014 @ 8:13 pm

  27. And remember to applaud the clever toad Key and his giggling “rumours and gossip”

    You expect Key not to take advantage of the situation? This is politics and not much is fair about it.

    Key is under no obligation to defend Labour from Liu just as Labour is under no obligation to defend Key from KDC.

    But it’s certainly been interesting to see the Mallard party try and claim the moral high ground on dubious allegations.

    Comment by NeilM — June 25, 2014 @ 8:19 pm

  28. How did Key the giggler know about the Liu statement of 3 May and who solicited it, Neil?

    Comment by Judge Holden — June 25, 2014 @ 8:33 pm

  29. I’m not the least interested your honour.

    Comment by NeilM — June 25, 2014 @ 8:40 pm

  30. I wrote a letter of complaint to the Herald. Especially focusing on the impossible story of the $60k boat ride.
    Since this cannot be true and it disappears from the story what is left? A pair of oars or is the Herald and co-rower Mr Key are up a creek without a paddle.
    Anyone else?

    Comment by xianmac — June 25, 2014 @ 8:41 pm

  31. I’m quite relaxed, Neil

    Comment by Sacha — June 25, 2014 @ 8:56 pm

  32. Given the statement was utterly false, and Key and the Herald bought it completely it would be interesting to know who went to Liu to get it (three days after Williamson got his ass resigned). Perhaps Mr Beaumont knows…

    Comment by Judge Holden — June 25, 2014 @ 9:00 pm

  33. how to complain to the Harold (and then escalate it when they ignore you):
    http://thestandard.org.nz/take-action-against-the-herald/

    Comment by Sacha — June 25, 2014 @ 9:05 pm

  34. Yes Sasha. I have complained directly to the Herald and have prepared the form for the Press Council should the Herald not reply within a week.

    Comment by xianmac — June 25, 2014 @ 9:42 pm

  35. >Key is under no obligation to defend Labour from Liu just as Labour is under no obligation to defend Key from KDC.

    There’s a big difference between not-defending and telling-outright-lies.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — June 25, 2014 @ 9:49 pm

  36. #34: Too right. Screwing up is perfectly normal, and issuing retractions is standard operating procedure. But the Granny’s moves have the look of saving one’s face and arse both at once.

    Comment by DeepRed (@DeepRed6502) — June 25, 2014 @ 11:59 pm

  37. The herald’s approach to dealing with this is apparently to pretend it never happened and continue the wall-to-wall John Key lovefest.

    Check out the latest soapy titwank from Armstrong about Roughan on Key: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11281836

    Comment by Rob — June 26, 2014 @ 8:28 am

  38. I think Labour would be be better off front footing this somehow.

    Labour isn’t going to be able to continue its National in the pocket of the rich line of attack and both parties have come to grief in a similar manner because of similar reasons,

    Admit mistakes and suggest solutions.

    It might of course all be of little interest to most voters.

    Comment by NeilM — June 26, 2014 @ 9:39 am

  39. NeliM clearly got this mornings talking points courtesy of Claire Trevitt, which tells us all we need to know about both of them.

    Comment by Sanctuary — June 26, 2014 @ 10:09 am

  40. Another column to “adjust” the story today in the Herald. Another post at the Herald from Jared Savage re Mr Liu. Still no better!
    He said the figure included the wine auctions, a $2000 donation to the Hawkes Bay Rowing Club, the Yangtze River trip and anonymous donations to MPs.
    That appears to be the summary of this version.
    The Rowing Club irrelevant!
    The $50-60K boat trip. Mr Barker was there on holiday and as a guest to a staff do. Irrelevant!
    The wine auctions. No actual amount given. Probably happened but so what?
    Big fat Zero.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11281832

    Comment by xianmac — June 26, 2014 @ 11:32 am

  41. But Vernon Small writes a balanced fair comment about the saga. Hints at the possibility of National/Key involvement.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/10200453/Liu-saga-hits-harder-when-Labours-down

    Comment by xianmac — June 26, 2014 @ 11:35 am

  42. NeilM wrote: “Labour isn’t going to be able to continue its National in the pocket of the rich line of attack and both parties have come to grief in a similar manner because of similar reasons,

    There is the small detail that the allegations involving National turned out to be true, whereas the allegations against Labour turned out to be false. It may seem strange to you, but there are people out there in the reality-based community who consider such distinctions important.

    “Admit mistakes and suggest solutions”

    I asume that comment was directed at the New Zealand Herald, as they’re the ones who made the mistakes.

    Comment by kahikatea — June 26, 2014 @ 12:00 pm

  43. Meanwhile Steve Coles runs free.

    Comment by hosking's hair die — June 26, 2014 @ 12:36 pm

  44. I have to say this whole saga reminds me of the ’05 election and the exclusive bretheren / Don Brash reporting by the Herald. They didn’t let the truth get in the way of a good story then either.

    Comment by Swan — June 26, 2014 @ 4:11 pm

  45. I can’t recall the exact details of the Herald reporting on the Brash/Brethren dealio.. but you’re not seriously trying to suggest that Brash wasn’t aware of the Brethren’s pamphlets are you?

    The emails in The Hollow Men make it pretty clear Brash and National were down like clowns.

    Comment by Rob — June 26, 2014 @ 4:47 pm

  46. Comment by Simon — June 26, 2014 @ 5:10 pm

  47. It’s working.

    Comment by George — June 26, 2014 @ 6:46 pm

  48. The real embarrassment of all this isn’t how easily Cunliffe has been dealt to and Labour smeared, it’s the hours of time and attention Labour supporters have thrown away on this whole debacle.

    Comment by skybirdseyeview — June 26, 2014 @ 11:30 pm

  49. I think you are standing around the biscuit a bit early here. Ching has thrown Presland and Co under the bus this morning. Time to revisit the dodgy leadership trust again. And who was Chings lawyer when he was thrown off the list?

    Comment by Barnsley Bill — June 27, 2014 @ 11:03 am

  50. BB – you really are an idiot aren’t you.

    Most activists in Labour organise events and get people to come along to them if only to sell them raffle tickets. Susan and Raymond are no exception. I’ve even done it.

    It isn’t abnormal for people who in the same area and who share a profession to wind up working in the same office. I’ve worked with many of the same people in various companies over the years. Some have even been Labour party members. NZ is pretty small place even in Auckland.

    Your problem is that you can’t see a coincidence without wrapping a mindless conspiracy theory around it. Perhaps you should expend some effort on finding some evidence. But I guess that is probably beyond both your and Farrar’s abilities.

    Comment by lprent — June 27, 2014 @ 2:12 pm

  51. Still waiting for Matthew Hooten’s $300k story to break… Come on Hoots, you promised us! More to come!

    Comment by MeToo — June 27, 2014 @ 3:53 pm


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