The Dim-Post

August 17, 2014

Crime wave!

Filed under: Politics — danylmc @ 8:17 pm

National’s latest PR stunt is to claim they’re the victims of an ongoing criminal conspiracy. David Farrar was on the news tonight insisting he’d been hacked, despite admitting on twitter that this almost certainly has not happened. Judith Collins’ husband’s office was robbed! Six weeks ago! Mark Mitchell’s constituency office and Parliamentary office was robbed! Last year! You see! You see how it all fits together!

So. Why target Collins’ husband and Mark Mitchell? Seems like an odd combination. Almost as if they’re just two random victims of random crimes, that both happened a while ago and have nothing to do with anything. Also, Mitchell’s Parliamentary Office was robbed? That’s also odd. The security at Parliament is as robust as you’d expect. I don’t know where Mitchell’s office is but I’m guessing its on a floor with a whole bunch of other National MPs and staffers, which can only be accessed via swipe card once you’ve gotten past the security at every entrance. And the whole place is under camera surveillance and all the swipe card activity is logged. That seems like a risky heist for Nicky Hager, or Kim Dotcom’s private investigators, or whoever is supposed to have gone after Mitchell.

Update: A reader writes:

Cunliffe’s office was robbed a while back. Not to mention bullets fired into Harawira’s office. Hager has been real busy


  1. This is of a piece with Farrar’rs flimsy “I’ve been hacked! Or spied on!” post last week. He eventually admitted to me that that the most likely scenario for two of Curia’s phone-poll scripts being quoted in Hager’s book was an employee “taking them home” (he still insists this is spying, rather than leaking). In Mitchell’s case, it seems more likely that any malicious intrusion would have come from his own team. Who cares about him, apart from the other National Party people Lusk and Slater did over on his behalf?

    Comment by russell brown — August 17, 2014 @ 8:26 pm

  2. Black ops.
    And not very good either.
    And hoping the punters will believe Hosking, Ralston, Williams, Christie’ s etc spin.

    Comment by Paul — August 17, 2014 @ 8:44 pm

  3. Yes. Mitchell got robbed, or hacked or whatever months before Hager received Slater’s emails.

    Comment by danylmc — August 17, 2014 @ 8:45 pm

  4. More deception will not make them look good.

    Comment by George — August 17, 2014 @ 8:46 pm

  5. Mitchell’s office is on the first floor of Parliament House, just metres away from the actual Chamber of the House…

    Comment by Mike — August 17, 2014 @ 8:47 pm

  6. Cunliffe and his wife also,

    Are we to dismiss that as posturing as well?

    Comment by NeilM — August 17, 2014 @ 9:07 pm

  7. Dunno, Neil. Are you suggesting that Hager/Dotcom broke into Clunliffe’s house? Coz all these revelations of horrible crimes against Mitchell, Collins and Farrar are intimating a wild conspiracy, now aren’t they? Or what’s your explanation?

    Comment by Judge Holden — August 17, 2014 @ 9:14 pm

  8. Maybe that question should be directed to Cunliffe. He brought it up.

    Seems everyone got robbed.

    Comment by NeilM — August 17, 2014 @ 9:20 pm

  9. And all of a sudden the Nats are shrieking about stuff that happened months and years ago as if they’re all linked to the exposure of their appalling behaviour. Are you suggesting they’re right?

    Comment by Judge Holden — August 17, 2014 @ 9:31 pm

  10. There’s a large element of smokescreen from the Nats going on but I really do have an aversion to the sort of political discourse of Hager and did object to it when directed at Clark.

    At the moment we have Slater, KDC and Hager dominating the news – it realy is a three ring circus.

    Comment by NeilM — August 17, 2014 @ 9:37 pm

  11. With The Hollow Men I also found the style problematic but there was enough substance in the end.

    But I’m not fond of political essays that don’t attempt to deal with alternative interpretations. It just becomes propaganda.

    Comment by NeilM — August 17, 2014 @ 9:46 pm

  12. I’m probably getting well ahead of myself but do I hear a penny starting to drop, Neil?

    Comment by Rob — August 17, 2014 @ 9:57 pm

  13. Sadly probably well ahead.

    Just as a sort of qualifier I don’t normally describe left commentators I disagree with as conspiracy theorists.

    Seamus Milne of The Guardian I always disagree with but I wouldn’t describe him as a conspiracy theorist. He’s just got some odd nostalgia for the USSR.

    There’s a number of Guardisn left commentators such as Jonathan Freedland who are

    Comment by NeilM — August 17, 2014 @ 10:07 pm

  14. Oops, iphone screen

    To cut to the chase, I think there’s a strand of conspiratorialism that isn’t constructive.

    And it’s not a description i use lightly.

    And there are left wing journalists that offer something better. Freedland and a few others on a The Guardian spring to mind.

    Comment by NeilM — August 17, 2014 @ 10:11 pm

  15. Joining these dots is no different than joining Hager’s dots.

    Comment by Nick K — August 17, 2014 @ 10:25 pm

  16. Except that in Hager’s case, we have the very proof of co-ordination: correspondence between the conspirators, discussing how to execute the relevant conspiracies. In your case, we have nothing but some petty crimes committed over the courses of years, with nothing linking them but supposition.

    Comment by Keir Leslie — August 17, 2014 @ 10:30 pm

  17. and someone was overcharged for a sandwich, or perhaps asked for a cheese and onion sandwich and got an egg and ham one!

    Comment by sheesh — August 17, 2014 @ 10:32 pm

  18. I wonder if all these alleged thefts were reported to the police at the time?
    If not, good luck with taking the claims any further. It’s a bit like trying to make an insurance claim with no police report, anyone can just make stuff up.
    Yes I had 3 computers, 2 iphones and some gold bars stolen … please believe me.

    Will be even more ironic if the Justice and fmr Police Minister did not report it at the time!

    Comment by MrV — August 17, 2014 @ 10:47 pm

  19. How is it possible that 18 comments in on a new, NeilM has already written 7 of them!?

    Comment by prgcnt — August 17, 2014 @ 10:51 pm

  20. Just on the Judith Collins breakin claims. Given her husbands extensive Chinese business interests I think it is much more likely to be the Chinese possibly even their intelligence operations.

    Here are some examples:

    If they are active in Australia anyone think they aren’t in NZ? But no, first suspect is Kim Dotcom … is there anything this man can’t do?

    Comment by MrV — August 17, 2014 @ 10:55 pm

  21. But do spare a thought for poor old dpfdpf, forced to front up on the telly and spout pre-canned bullshit to try to distract attention from the actual, serious issues.

    Comment by prgcnt — August 17, 2014 @ 11:07 pm

  22. NeilM’s comment diarrhoea is a sad fact of life here. Many have encouraged him to try a more considered approach, to no avail. Proof reading, reflection, and economy of style, it seems, are beyond him.

    Though as Dimpost Key fanboys go he’s by far the most human of a repugnant rabble.

    Speaking of which under what rock is that troglodyte Barnsley Bill (Russell Beaumont) hiding. Thanks to Dirty Politics we can amply conclude his bff Slater was the conduit of his gloating prophecies around the Liu bullshit. Light shines, cockroaches scuttle.

    Comment by Luke. — August 17, 2014 @ 11:29 pm

  23. “he still insists this is spying, rather than leaking”

    I think it was just somebody perpetrating some happy mischief on DPF.

    Seriously though, it’s pretty clear that the difference between spying and leaking from DPF’s perspective is whether he’s the target or the beneficiary.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — August 18, 2014 @ 1:05 am

  24. You’re in the Devil’s territory now, Judith.

    Don’t go walking through a door you should never have opened.

    Comment by Badfellow — August 18, 2014 @ 2:59 am

  25. “…Light shines, cockroaches scuttle…”

    That, Sir, would make a damn fine tee shirt.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 18, 2014 @ 7:34 am

  26. John key on NatRad just now – not very match fit is he? All those years of a cosy patsy relationship with the press – going to undermine him this week.

    Comment by MeToo — August 18, 2014 @ 7:42 am

  27. “…John key on NatRad just now – not very match fit is he..?”

    Three years of friendlies against the noted investigative journalists of the Rock FM will do that to you.

    I notice that in general the National Party are back to their usual practice of not fronting vaarious candidate meetings and policy discussions. Arrogance and contempt for democracy runs deep into the marrow of this government.

    As for the burglary accusations – all they are trying to do is break the news cycle before a new week of damaging allegations from the Hager book. Along with Key actually fronting and buring political capital it teels us they’ve had a hit in the overnight polling.

    PS I see the IMP is sitting at 4% in one poll. If they hit 5% on election night I am putting Danyl on notice that I aam coming over to take possession of his best slippers and to drink his finest cognac… 🙂

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 18, 2014 @ 8:03 am

  28. Funny, “match-fit” was the term I had in mind too. (Coz we are a LeftBot, innit?).

    Not just the media – Labour’s underwhelming performance in the House and a sycophantic Speaker have made him feel he can deal with any impertinent questions just by running down the clock and spouting the tiresome one-liners.

    Comment by sammy 2.0 — August 18, 2014 @ 8:14 am

  29. “and people can see..”
    “and people can see..”
    “and people can see..”
    “..people can see..”
    “and people can see..”

    Do spare a thought for poor Jonky 😦

    Comment by Rob — August 18, 2014 @ 8:17 am

  30. It doesn’t matter whether you believe that the alleged thefts have anything to do with Hager. It’s an obvious counter-strategy – made easier by the fact that Hager’s book is based on emails that were accessed dishonestly. Hager making (what can be perceived to be) disingenuous comments about how he didn’t release the book to affect the outcome of the election doesn’t help – who’s going to believe that given the timing and the one-sidedness of it (who believes Labour is completely clean? Remember Trevor outing Don Brash’s affair in the House?)

    So it’s easy for the right to throw in a little bit of truth, and let the the vast centre block who think both Hager and Slater are fringe extremists to join their own dots and decide that both fringes are dodgy idealogues who will do any immoral thing in pursuit of what they see is the greater good. And then go on and vote for one of the centre parties.

    Comment by rickrowling — August 18, 2014 @ 9:27 am

  31. Please note the above comment is in no way a defence of any of the apparently reprehensible things uoutlihned in Hager’s book. I haven’t read it, and even if I had I wouldn’t be qualifed to refute any of it (even if I wanted to, which I probably wouldn’t).

    Just sayin’ that if you’re not 100% clean yourself, it’s an uphill battle to win a “who’s cleanest” contest.

    Or, throw enough mud, and some of it will stick to your own hands.

    Comment by rickrowling — August 18, 2014 @ 9:34 am

  32. @rickrowling who believes Labour is completely clean? Remember Trevor outing Don Brash’s affair in the House?

    Did Labour secretly release details of Don Brash’s affair to a blogger who posted the details and subsequently unleashed his legions of minions^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sub-humans on it, resulting in death threats? If so, then bloody sham on them.

    The point here, which keeps on being missed, is that in 2008 Key campaigned on “the end of dirty politics” — because the climate at the time was pretty dirty. It happened in the house and it happened on the steps of Parliament — but surreptitiously enabled and has continued to enable the most dirty and immoral smear tactics we’re aware of to date.

    Comment by prgcnt — August 18, 2014 @ 9:40 am

  33. When John Key was concerned about dirty politics:

    Comment by prgcnt — August 18, 2014 @ 10:06 am

  34. Important that WO is just seen as a tool of National. It should all be about National WO is not the real story. It is Key front and center. When is bloody Labour & Cunlife going to climb into it?

    Comment by Simon — August 18, 2014 @ 10:45 am

  35. “Important that WO is just seen as a tool of National.”

    Yes no doubt it is important for Labour to spin it. That’s what this is all about after all.

    Comment by Swan — August 18, 2014 @ 10:49 am

  36. @Simon Important that WO is just seen as a tool of National.

    No it isn’t. What are you talking about. This is NOT a partisan issue. This dirty shit is disgusting, immoral, and reprehensible — no matter who is doing it. If Labour, for example, are feeding the same sort of shit to WhaleOil or others they need to get called on it as well.

    Comment by prgcnt — August 18, 2014 @ 10:51 am

  37. “Important that WO is just seen as a tool.” FTFY 😉

    Comment by rickrowling — August 18, 2014 @ 10:59 am

  38. “The point here, which keeps on being missed, is that in 2008 Key campaigned on “the end of dirty politics” — because the climate at the time was pretty dirty.”

    I agree – that point isn’t being made much of in the MSM.

    Comment by rickrowling — August 18, 2014 @ 11:01 am

  39. Just to step back a bit and offer another perspective on this. One of the reasons so many of the political/media elite are reacting with such outraged disgust at all this is Slater’s reductionist nihilism is in its own way every bit of an existential threat to those elites as an armed rebellion. Slater is essentially an online Brownshirt who has thrown the rulebook out of the window and is now a rogue element using bully-boy tactics and internet thugs to defy the conventions by which civil society is governed. I am sure Slater – who loathes anyone who has succeeded in a society he clearly blames for his own conventional failure – would readily agree that he wants to be a force of destruction of what he sees as those who have denied him his rightful success. But whatever you think of our political/media elites (and I personally think they are in dire need of a severe shake up) allowing such deeply bad people as Slater, Lusk, Williams, and Collins to conduct a reign of terror would be fatal to our civil society.

    Looking at from that point of view, all Key actually has to do is re-assure the political/media elites that Slater will be dealt with. Key is hugely popular and has a vast reserve of political goodwill. He needs to use some of it to shut this down. Stand down Collins (again), sack Ede and issue a public directive to halt all communications with Cameron Slater whilst doing a lot of back-room purring at the unsettled and a public buck-stops-with-me mea culpa would do some, but not much, political damage. Key’s failure to do that so far indicates a really dumb level of arrogant complacency.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 18, 2014 @ 2:10 pm

  40. Sanc, if you are standing down Ede and Collins on the basis of their contact and connivance with Slater, then the next to go is the PM. Key has admitted contact with the man and Slater has admitted, if not connivance, then certainly moral support (in the case of the Greymouth man’s mother being the same woman that heckles Key on visits to the West Coast) with the PM. Chances of this happening? Slightly less than zero.

    Comment by Paul Rowe — August 18, 2014 @ 2:27 pm

  41. @Comment by Paul Rowe – Upon reflection I reckon it is probably to late to take decisive action, for the reasons you say – obviously, Eagleson would have to go as well. And once they go, if that doesn’t contain things then the next neck on the block is Key. So Key is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 18, 2014 @ 2:32 pm

  42. Its not out of the question that Collins will get stood down but only if pressure on continues to build on Key. (Cue email release) If Key had cut Collins and Eade days ago, damage to John Key himself would be limited. Poor judgment has left Key being pushed closer towards belated “decisive” action, and much more significant damage to his brand and that of his party.

    Comment by k.jones — August 18, 2014 @ 2:51 pm

  43. Waiting for a journo to say to JK: “Rumour has it you can’t sack Judith because Cam has dirt on you. Is this true? No? So why haven’t you sacked her then?”…

    Comment by MeToo — August 18, 2014 @ 3:07 pm

  44. Labour are on track to lose yet another election so the Crime stats will continue tracking downwards. Lifes little losers continue to lose.

    Comment by OECD rank 22 kiwi — August 18, 2014 @ 3:25 pm

  45. Mr Key told Newstalk ZB that Hager’s book would “not really” hurt National’s election chances. Not really…..

    Comment by k.jones — August 18, 2014 @ 3:57 pm

  46. “…Lifes little losers continue to lose…”

    Another example of the sneering superiority complex of the on-line right that fuels Slater. It appears to be a pathlogen that has infected huge numbers of them and turned them into nasty zombies. I’ll fetch the chainsaw.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 18, 2014 @ 4:32 pm

  47. If anyone epitomises a “sneering superiority complex” on NZ political blogs then Sanc would have to be amongst those jostling to be the front runner.

    Comment by Monty — August 18, 2014 @ 5:05 pm

  48. I see we are being blessed with a few more of DPF’s usual commenters than usual. Fair enough, he was reduced to cat videos today. Slow news week I guess.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — August 18, 2014 @ 6:54 pm

  49. If anyone epitomises a “sneering superiority complex” on NZ political blogs then Sanc would have to be amongst those jostling to be the front runner.

    The old ‘I know you are but what am I?” play?

    Stay classy Monty!

    Comment by Paul Rowe — August 18, 2014 @ 10:30 pm

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