Look, at the end of the day, if you don’t support Ministers who ignore airport security or use disabled parks or pull women’s hair, then the terrorists have won.
Their sense of entitlement is what our forefathers fought for.
Comment by sammy 3.0 — April 22, 2015 @ 11:16 am
From what I hear, the waitress had been using top of the range, extra glossy nutrisse from the Laboratoire Garnier range.
She was obviously asking for it.
Comment by King Kong — April 22, 2015 @ 11:45 am
whats even weirder is the gif at the bottom of this story – http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/67949918/prime-minister-john-key-pulled-waitress-ponytail
the guy is a serial tugger!
Comment by framu — April 22, 2015 @ 12:05 pm
Creepy and weird.
@framu: that is almost beyond words. What an utter creep.
Comment by Mikaere Curtis — April 22, 2015 @ 12:18 pm
“it’s true. I did have follicle relations with that waitress:”
Comment by sleepdepriveddiva — April 22, 2015 @ 12:28 pm
If almost as if, as a privileged white male, you can’t even repeatedly “playfully” assault women for your own amusement and exhibit precisely zero emotional intelligence anymore.
PC gone mad.
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 12:43 pm
Wow, a national day of joy for left wingers everywhere! Exploding heads, for a good reason for a change. They have finally got something on the invincible PM. Ponytailgate. What did he know and when did he know it?
Comment by Tinakori — April 22, 2015 @ 12:48 pm
God, you’re a frightful, myopic dick, Tinakori.
Can I playfully punch you in the face, please?
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 12:52 pm
“…Can I playfully punch you in the face, please?…”
Comment by Sanctuary — April 22, 2015 @ 1:03 pm
It would be too funny if this is what brings down the Key administration. An episode of The Thick of It playing out in front of us.
Comment by Alex Braae — April 22, 2015 @ 1:09 pm
Actually Key’s moving of a little girls pony tail is rather sweet, until you read about this waitress. Then Charles Dodgson hoves into view.
Comment by Sanctuary — April 22, 2015 @ 1:13 pm
Gregor and Sanctuary- don’t you feel a teeny weeny bit disappointed or even a little bit inadequate that after 6 and a half years this is the best you can do?
Comment by Tinakori — April 22, 2015 @ 1:13 pm
What is this sick fuck gonna do about this. He cant throw $25 million at some pony tail lobby to make it all go away which is the extend of his judgement.
Comment by Simon — April 22, 2015 @ 1:18 pm
@Tinakori, so is the PM’s behaviour acceptable or unacceptable ? It’s really that simple.
Comment by Mikaere Curtis — April 22, 2015 @ 1:19 pm
“Don’t you feel a teeny weeny bit disappointed or even a little bit inadequate that after 6 and a half years this is the best you can do?”
There’s better every week. Your response: but the public doesn’t care about spying/lying/law-breaking/broken promises etc etc … Boring!
So we get these stories instead. Live by the tabloid, die by the tabloid.
Comment by sammy 3.0 — April 22, 2015 @ 1:20 pm
Does an assault prosecution require a complaint from the victim in this country?
(In the UK, it doesn’t, or at least didn’t in the 90s, and was used to prosecute gay men engaging in sadomasochism).
Comment by Ralph — April 22, 2015 @ 1:26 pm
“@Tinakori, so is the PM’s behaviour acceptable or unacceptable ? It’s really that simple.”
It’s never that simple and most people will place this in a political context.
“No matter what you think (or even care) about Len Brown’s behaviour, I think most people are going to view the Slater/Palomino camp as being on a continuum that begins with desperate and ends with vile. I personally have them pegged towards the latter end.” – M Curtis 2013
Comment by unaha-closp — April 22, 2015 @ 1:48 pm
Don’t worry, it was just “banter” (says John Key, interview on TV3 website).
So that’s OK then.
Comment by sammy 3.0 — April 22, 2015 @ 1:53 pm
True. At best though, it shows slightly off-putting behaviour and a pretty chronic lack of judgement.
In the great scheme of things no one cares though, because she’s just a waitress – right? – and any story made out of it will be a left-wing smear campaign etc. and he has apologised so end of story really, but it’s the best “they” can do.
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 1:57 pm
sammy 3.0 — @ 1:53 pm
i always thought it took two to banter? Yet another case of our PMs weird grasp on teh england?
Comment by framu — April 22, 2015 @ 2:06 pm
And it’s on the front page of the Guardian. Hilarious. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-apologises-for-pulling-waitresss-hair
Comment by Dr Foster — April 22, 2015 @ 2:11 pm
It might explain why Bronagh keeps her hair at shoulder length only.
Comment by unaha-closp — April 22, 2015 @ 2:18 pm
From the Guardian link (Dr Foster @ 21):
RadioLive talkback host Sean Plunket said he would not be discussing the hair-pulling controversy because it appeared to him “absolutely propaganda hate speech rubbish” and a “cheap little scummy political set-up”.
Entirely unrelated fact: Radio Live is part of MediaWorks.
Comment by sammy 3.0 — April 22, 2015 @ 2:28 pm
The most succinct comment to date is from SFWU rep:
“Uninvited touching is never appropriate, and that’s the bottom line,” union hospitality organiser Chas Muir said.
“People must be courteous and respectful towards each other, and the Prime Minister should be setting a stellar example – not invading people’s personal space and then trying to make a joke of it.”
Muir said the reported incidents were particularly alarming because both the worker and Key’s wife had made it clear to him that it was inappropriate, yet he continued to harass the worker.
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 2:40 pm
“Does an assault prosecution require a complaint from the victim in this country?”
No. But it does require evidence sufficient to secure a conviction that an assault has taken place. An account by an anonymous person on the internet doesn’t really reach that standard (even if the PM has sort-of corroborated it).
FWIIW, if a waitress were to call the Police and complain that some Joe-average customer had “playfully” pulled on her hair, the very most the Police would do (assuming they could ever find the guy) is sternly tell him “don’t do it again”. So I don’t think we can say the PM would be being “treated differently” if the Police show no interest in this issue.
Comment by Andrew Geddis — April 22, 2015 @ 2:44 pm
Luckily, women in Turkey largely cover their hair, removing any temptation for JK to cause a massive diplomatic clusterfuck while in Gallipoli. And Tony Abbott’s hair is too short.
Comment by Dr Foster — April 22, 2015 @ 2:48 pm
It’s never that simple and most people will place this in a political context.
It’s in a political context because John Key is the Prime Minister. This means there is an additional power disparity, making the whole unseemly scenario even more bizarre and unsavoury.
I get that JK is a poster-boy for all the right wingers, but attempting to minimise his harassment as being political is simply another form of enablement.
Meanwhile, a lawyer thinks the PMs behaviour could amount to sexual harassment.
Comment by Mikaere Curtis — April 22, 2015 @ 2:49 pm
Although, in this case the police were probably/possibly present on the scene; in the form of Key’s bodyguards. So, should have intervened at the time if someone was being an unwanted arse. I agree not to arrest/charge/etc but they should have stopped it from continuing to happen and delivered a stern admonition.
Comment by RJL — April 22, 2015 @ 2:53 pm
If NZ had direct democracy sick fuck would be gone. Instead NZ has 120 tribal spastics as our so called representatives.
Comment by Simon — April 22, 2015 @ 3:08 pm
I read the article from the woman in question. It is simultaneously hilarious and bizarre. It almost makes the Dotcom vs Key stuff look normal. I feel a bit for the woman but I think the left is fooling themselves if they think they can present her story as damning evidence John Key is a bully.
I give dompost full respect for not running the story front page like the NZH. The NZH may think they are holding the government to account, but what they’re really doing is turning our political discourse into a joke (or more of a joke). It’s a shame too because they started off the week well with the focus on property prices in Auckland. Now I bet this story will suck the life out of everything else for the next few days.
Damn you Tinakori, I wanted to be the first to say ponytailgate!
Comment by Seb Rattansen — April 22, 2015 @ 3:16 pm
Sounds as if JK has lost it if this report is correct! paleo
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:05 PM, The Dim-Post wrote:
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Comment by paleomartin — April 22, 2015 @ 3:37 pm
@Andrew, actually the real questions might be “can an uninvolved member of the public lay a complaint that the police have to follow up?” and “can that dodgy ex-accountant bring a private prosecution?”. If the answer to either is “yes” then you can be pretty certain that someone will want to cause trouble.
Comment by Ralph — April 22, 2015 @ 3:38 pm
It’s in a political context because [ ] is the [ ]. This means there is an additional power disparity, making the whole unseemly scenario even more bizarre and unsavoury.
I get that [ ] is a poster-boy for all the [ ] wingers, but attempting to minimise his harassment as being political is simply another form of enablement.
According to personal values insert – John Key; Prime Minister; JK & right or Len Brown; Auckland Mayor; LB & left into the above.
Yes its enablement, but it also doesn’t matter. People will absolutely minimise this sort of thing according to political allegiance. You were 100% correct about this sort of thing in 2013, but wrong now.
Comment by unaha-closp — April 22, 2015 @ 3:41 pm
I feel a bit for the woman but I think the left is fooling themselves if they think they can present her story as damning evidence John Key is a bully.
I don’t think “the left” (who do you mean here btw?) is presenting this as damning evidence of anything other than remarkably odd impulse control behaviour for our Prime Minister.
Personally while I think ‘bullying’ is probably stretching it in terms of public perception simply because a ton of people love Key and their is a huge machine in place that constantly belittles his detractors as haters, it’s clear that Key harassed this woman repeatedly and a power imbalance was in play which would, in any other situation, constitute bullying.
Furthermore, Key is not a regular Joe – cue Farrar pointing out that he was acting in his capacity a private hair pulling citizen – therefore his apparent fetish has interesting legal / propiety angles is in itself newsworthy.
Essentially regardless of political leaning, it comes down to whether you think it’s OK for a senior public official to act in this way and then brush it off as ‘banter’ – quite a crude and insidious form of victim shaming IMO.
To whit, have we learned anything from the Roger Sutton affair or does the PM get a pass enabled by the usual troupe of apologists?
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 3:42 pm
If this story has any legs, surely it’s because a) it provides a view beyond the spin, which is always interesting, and b) more importantly that view clashes with the view generally held by the public. On one hand Key is a good bloke that you could have a beer and a laugh with, but on the other hand he repeatedly pulls the hair of a waitress because he thinks it’s funny banter. I suspect this will hang around for a while simply because of that incongruity.
Comment by BB — April 22, 2015 @ 3:47 pm
*interesting legal / propriety angles that is, in of itself, newsworthy.
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 3:51 pm
one hand Key is a good bloke that you could have a beer and a laugh with, but on the other hand he repeatedly pulls the hair of a waitress because he thinks it’s funny banter
These things are not necessarily incongruous…
Comment by Phil — April 22, 2015 @ 3:56 pm
If we’re moving on to “how will this play in Peoria (Paeroa?)”, I think that Key pre-2014 would have done much better with his first response today.
With these stories it’s usually the failure to “get it” that sticks in voters’ minds. “I apologise” often works, “I apologise but I did nothing wrong” generally doesn’t.
His majority doesn’t come from right-wing Bob Jones fanboys. It comes from women who didn’t vote for Brash.
Comment by sammy 3.0 — April 22, 2015 @ 4:11 pm
@unaha-closp so now you are conflating John Key repeatedly harassing a waitress with Len Brown’s extra-martial affair ? Really ? Wow, that’s a very poor faux equivilence.
Comment by Mikaere Curtis — April 22, 2015 @ 4:13 pm
@Mikaere Curtis – after they had broken off the affair our dear Mayor Brown sent her several unwelcomed messages.
Comment by unaha-closp — April 22, 2015 @ 4:30 pm
[em]”I don’t think “the left” (who do you mean here btw?) is presenting this as damning evidence of anything other than remarkably odd impulse control behaviour for our Prime Minister.”[/em]
Fair point, bit of loose language there by me. But Metirea Turei seems to think it’s bullying: “A lot of New Zealanders know what it’s like to feel as if you’re not taken seriously in a job. As politicians our job is to make people feel safe at work, not bullied.”
Having looked at the definition of workplace bullying it appears what Key did does qualify, which is because the definition is pretty elastic: http://www.business.govt.nz/worksafe/information-guidance/all-guidance-items/bullying-guidelines/01
I agree it’s a dumb thing for a PM to do. It reminds me of Bush giving Merkel a shoulder massage, hahaha. Informal to a fault.
Comment by Seb Rattansen — April 22, 2015 @ 4:38 pm
@unaha-closp got a link ? My reading at the time suggested that he stopped communicating, and she was unhappy about that. Anyway, sending your ex-lover some messages is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT to serially harassing a waitress. You can see that, right ?
Comment by Mikaere Curtis — April 22, 2015 @ 4:39 pm
It reminds me of Bush giving Merkel a shoulder massage, hahaha
Yeah – except these were two leaders of major world powers, so there’s not the same power imbalance involved as when the nation’s leader does it to a woman who is paid to serve him his food.
Quick internal check … could I see myself doing this to the employee of any of the various cafes/bars that I regularly patronise (and whose staff I may have “banter” with)? And the honest answer is no – not because I am “formal” in my relations with others, but because it is just really bad form. Doesn’t mean that Key isn’t fit to be PM or anything like that, but it does mean that he should check where his head is at and think a bit more about how his actions impact on others.
Comment by Andrew Geddis — April 22, 2015 @ 4:57 pm
@ Mikaere Curtis – TVNZ, the Herald or someone called Andrew McMillan has done a full time line.
And yes of course I can see differences, but those differences are coloured by where I sit on the political spectrum.
Comment by unaha-closp — April 22, 2015 @ 5:09 pm
Closp – where you sit on the political spectrum shouldn’t matter.
In Brown’s case, the background was a consensual relationship between two agents, fully aware of what they were getting into.
In this case, consent can’t be implied or inferred.
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 5:39 pm
Oh joy, weeks of hair pulling being the lead story for every news outlet. Katie Bradford bouncing up and down, Dann looking more earnest than ever (while still being the stupidest political correspondent in earth), Paddy Gowers GP will be upping his blood pressure meds and our beloved National Radio will be busy on a global hunt for professors at universities to give us interesting and lively theories on hair pulling and modern society.
Thank god for the marvellous Lightbox and its many diversions.
Comment by David — April 22, 2015 @ 5:44 pm
Please do read the woman’s full account – http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/04/22/exclusive-the-prime-minister-and-the-waitress/
This was not a bit of fun, nor an idsolated incident – it is sustained bullying and assault in her workplace over many months with a severe power imbalance in effect.
The man’s possible hair fetish is a distraction. Nobody should feel unsafe when they go to work. And what kind of creep thinks this sort of behaviour is OK?
Comment by Sacha — April 22, 2015 @ 5:44 pm
@sacha – Holy fuck! After reading that and, assuming we can take the whole thing factually at face value, maybe Key should lose his job.
That’s not banter. That’s sociopath.
Comment by Gregor W — April 22, 2015 @ 5:58 pm
Key has some way to go to become the next Joe Biden.
Comment by Ross — April 22, 2015 @ 6:08 pm
Gregor – yes, I only fully realised what was going on here when I read the whole description. The guy is inadequate and nasty.
Media focusing on the weirdness are misleading the public (surprise). He won’t lose his job though I agree with Hooton it might make him step aside sooner.
Comment by Sacha — April 22, 2015 @ 6:22 pm
As a Nat politician you’ve got to do something seriously wrong to get Audrey Young offside – “Today I’m embarrassed John Key is Prime Minister” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11436771
Comment by Sacha — April 22, 2015 @ 6:25 pm
@Sacha (52) So is the normally JK friendly MSM deliberately feeding this to us as a way of giving Key an easier out? I have been firmly of the opinion since before the last election that he is not a stayer, and when the going gets tough the rich vacation in Hawaii
Comment by TRG Nick — April 22, 2015 @ 7:16 pm
You all realise of course that you are falling for the Judith Collins as next PM Master Conspiracy, day one?
Comment by Grant — April 22, 2015 @ 9:11 pm
I can’t believe none of you saps thought of this yet: https://youtu.be/EsUbBJ-hQ3s
Comment by Exclamation Mark — April 22, 2015 @ 10:30 pm
“You all realise of course that you are falling for the Judith Collins as next PM Master Conspiracy, day one?”
Are you saying the anonymous waitress is Judith Collins?
Comment by Vita Thomas — April 23, 2015 @ 12:46 am
It must be pretty grating for Key to have to listen to Collin’s defending him like he is some kind of exasperating over-grown child. Ultimately, the utter weirdness of this hair pulling is going to hurt Key a lot, because it is making him the subject of derisory public mocking.
Oh and Sean Plunkett is a fuckwit and a disgrace to broadcasting. Let’s imagine if this was Cunliffe. Does anyone really think Key’s right wing cheerleaders of the talkback Taliban would have refused to talk about it because it was just a beat up?
Comment by Sanctuary — April 23, 2015 @ 7:05 am
Pornographic doesn’t begin to describe this.
Comment by Lee Clark — April 23, 2015 @ 7:11 am
This is Key’s “Tailgate”.
Comment by Lee Clark — April 23, 2015 @ 7:26 am
Equal agents? The mayor and a junior politician are equal in your eyes, huh?
Must be fun to be so far in the tank politically that you can’t see beyond the politics.
Comment by unaha-closp — April 23, 2015 @ 9:59 am
@ Unaha – check what I wrote. Consensual, not equal.
Comment by Gregor W — April 23, 2015 @ 1:15 pm
Indeed, you did confine comment to that distinctive aspect.
Comment by unaha-closp — April 23, 2015 @ 5:22 pm
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