The Dim-Post

September 5, 2015

Another post on a subject I affect not to care about

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 5:23 pm

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I’m not as smitten with ‘Red Peak’ as so many other people are, probably because I don’t care about flags. But the discussion around it and the fact that all of the flags selected by the Flag Consideration Panel have now shown up in prior incantations as logos for low budget consumer products serves to highlight the fact that none of the flags the panel selected actually look like flags. My prediction for the referendum outcome is that one of the Lockwood flags wins, and in the second referendum people overwhelmingly vote to stick with the current flag. Because our flag should probably be a flag and not a toilet paper logo.

16 Comments »

  1. Yeah I think you’re right. The choices on offer are utter shite and point to retention.

    Comment by Richard Williams — September 5, 2015 @ 5:42 pm

  2. I’m sure one could find the red peak design somewhere faintly embarassing if one tried.

    Despite what people tell you, there is no set rule as to what flags should look like – whatever rule somebody postulates, you can find several state flags that break it. Red Peak isn’t “better”, it’s just that a of people, irony of ironies, like having an alternative bandwagon to better demonstrate their opposition to government bandwagons.

    It’s worth noting that the Red Peak campaign was started by a guy who works at the same firm as Red Peak’s designer. In the unlikely event we do end up choosing Red Peak, we will have simply traded in a government-run corporate marketing scheme for a privately-run scheme.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — September 5, 2015 @ 5:57 pm

  3. Prediction one is a no brainer, really. No so sure about prediction two. There will be an intense campaign to change it to the chosen Lockwood design. And it’s still better than the current flag. The worst enemy of perfection is “good enough”. We could have had a great flag. Now we may get one that is mediocre, but still better than the status quo.

    Comment by eszett — September 5, 2015 @ 6:06 pm

  4. Because our flag should probably be a flag and not a toilet paper logo.

    As a true sporting nation, true kiwis will be contemplating the shortlist of flag designs in what David Foster Wallace described as “sitting with their elbows on their knees in the defecatory posture of all athletes at rest”.

    Comment by Joe W — September 5, 2015 @ 6:57 pm

  5. I’ll still fairly annoyed that no-one seems to be discussing all of NZs other flags, like the Merchant Navy red ensign, RNZAF ensign, etc.

    Also vexillologists, what are those!? Can’t be important.

    Comment by Korakys — September 5, 2015 @ 7:05 pm

  6. It’s a bit like choosing band names. There’s lots of bit recriminations winding up with something a bit silly that after a whole everyone thinks is brilliant.

    Comment by NeilM — September 5, 2015 @ 7:19 pm

  7. I’ll do that again, even for me that was stupid.

    It’s a bit like choosing band names. There’s lots of bitter recriminations winding up with something a bit silly that after a while everyone thinks is brilliant.

    Comment by NeilM — September 5, 2015 @ 7:20 pm

  8. Our flag will become what our country becomes.

    Not the other way round.

    There’s no objective measure of how a flag should look and some of the best were random products of circumstance.

    Comment by NeilM — September 5, 2015 @ 7:57 pm

  9. …probably because I don’t care about flags.

    I used to fondly imagine I didn’t care about flags. However, the level of annoyance this bullshit has generated in me presents a strong case for that being a product of self-delusion. Maybe I should be grateful to Key for this minor increase in my level of self-awareness – really not feeling it though.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — September 5, 2015 @ 9:52 pm

  10. @Psycho: Maybe you just care a lot about being annoyed at Key.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — September 5, 2015 @ 11:38 pm

  11. Blimey, they’re all derivative, aren’t they.

    Lockwood’s designs bearing an uncanny resemblance to an Air Force emblem.

    Kanter’s black and white Silver Fern remarkably similar to the toilet paper packaging shown above.

    And Red Peak clearly inspired by the City of Denver’s flag here ….. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Flag_of_Denver,_Colorado.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Denver,_Colorado.svg.png

    Comment by swordfish — September 6, 2015 @ 12:20 am

  12. “Blimey, they’re all derivative, aren’t they-uncanny resemblance to an Air Force emblem”
    His design was first done many years ago , long before the AF emblem

    Comment by dukeofurl — September 6, 2015 @ 11:16 am

  13. It’s all reflective of the half-arsed way we do things here in NZ.

    “Keep the stars for the veterans, stick a fern on it because the All Blacks must be celebrated at every level, there, done.”

    It’s like Te Papa. Give the Aussies a once-in-a-lifetime chance to build an iconic building, and the get the Sydney Opera House -instantly recognisable worldwide. Us, we get a mishmash of different ideas that looks like nothing when seen all together.

    Comment by rickrowling — September 6, 2015 @ 11:42 am

  14. Meanwhile there are bigger issues at stake. Looks like Key’s sideshow is working.

    Comment by Myles T — September 6, 2015 @ 7:27 pm

  15. “… Give the Aussies a once-in-a-lifetime chance to build an iconic building, and the get the Sydney Opera House…”

    Although to be fair, the subsequent behaviour of the authorities in and around the Opera house makes the building itself look more like blind luck than good planning.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 6, 2015 @ 8:52 pm

  16. Also, Te Papa is something of a post-modern interior masterpiece, even if the outside looks like shit…

    Comment by Chris Bull — September 7, 2015 @ 8:13 am


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