The Dim-Post

September 10, 2015

There’s always money in the banana stand

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 8:41 am

Back in the distant remote past of one week ago when National definitely wasn’t going to increase the refugee quota, independent free-thinking broadcaster Mike Hosking stood up for the government’s position for the ~2500th day in a row, demanding to know where the money was going to come from to pay for more refugees. What would we give up to take these people in? ‘Because it has to come from somewhere.’ Who is getting cut? The health system? Christchurch? Hosking is very passionate about this. ‘Reality has a real bill,’ he explains.

Firstly, we never seem to have these sensible, realistic conversations about money when National wants to spend tens of millions of dollars funding the Americas Cup. Or flag referendums. Or just writing checks to multinational corporations like Rio Tinto. The money is always just there. And, a couple of days later when National reversed its position again and Key committed $50 million towards that cost we didn’t actually have that big conversation about sacrifice and cutting the health system that Hosking insisted was so necessary and realistic. Where is the money coming from? The government’s discretionary budget? Beats me. It’s just there, somehow.


  1. Hosking’s turnaround has been even more breathtaking and hypocritical than Key’s. Literally one morning on ZB he was saying we can’t afford this. That night “what a difference a photo can make”.

    Comment by max — September 10, 2015 @ 9:21 am

  2. Come now, let us not be cynics. Surely Sir Michael – sorry, I mean Mike Hosking – can have an independent and free-thinking change of heart? I am sure he simply considered his position, reflected on the unfolding situation and imperfection of the information previously available to him, and then fearlessly adjusted his position. Yeah, that’s definitely what probably happened.

    After all, foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of tiny minds, and the truly great among us like Mike Hosking cannot have their mighty consciences shackled by something as petty as what they said yesterday.

    Comment by Nick R — September 10, 2015 @ 9:30 am

  3. It’s only Mike Hosking we’re talking about here. Let’s not dignify matters too much by expecting rational analysis or consistency.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — September 10, 2015 @ 9:32 am

  4. They’ll cut back somewhere or borrow it or raise the price of booze again. We’ve given the gift of hope* and who can put a price on that?

    * redeemable by joining queue, 1350 spaces available, current queue length 55,000,000. Join today.

    Comment by unaha-closp — September 10, 2015 @ 10:04 am

  5. @unaha

    It’s better odd’s than winning the lottery

    Comment by Phil — September 10, 2015 @ 10:08 am

  6. Hosking’s column in today’s Herald is such a breathtaking model in the art of exercising complete idiocy that you are just forced marvel at it as a whole – an exemplar of it;’s type for the ages – rather than become outraged at each lazy, ignorant, arrogant, stupid and smug assertion.

    Satire, in the meantime, has committed suicide due to becoming completely redundant.

    Comment by Sanctuary — September 10, 2015 @ 10:09 am

  7. $50mln is not a lot of money in a $40bln budget.

    Comment by richdrich — September 10, 2015 @ 11:09 am

  8. @Phil

    In this lottery the ticket price is everything you own and a real possibility of dying.

    We aren’t going to do a very good job of publicising the odds. We have the government saying how wonderful they are being. We have the opposition bludgeoning the government for their reluctance to do this great thing and how it was the caring nature of the opposition that tapped into the generous nature of NZers to help so many. By not clearly stating just how appallingly crap our response is, we are generating wall to wall hope.

    So Danyl wants to know the costs. $50million and the number of additional refugees who take our gift of hope at publicised value.

    Comment by unaha-closp — September 10, 2015 @ 11:15 am

  9. @richdrich: But 26 million is an incredible waste that could do so much if spent elsewhere

    Comment by kalvarnsen — September 10, 2015 @ 11:34 am

  10. And Hosking defended corporate welfare to SkyCity in defiance of all logic, which he just happens to moonlight for.

    Comment by Kumara Republic — September 10, 2015 @ 6:24 pm

  11. It doesn’t really matter.

    When you’re a hundred billion in debt due to over-spending, what’s another $50 million?

    Comment by Redbaiter — September 10, 2015 @ 9:56 pm

  12. Show him the money! Not knowing anything, I would say:

    1. Imprest supply bill, which would probably talley up in…
    2. Next year’s non-surplus


    Comment by Fooman — September 10, 2015 @ 10:14 pm

  13. Firstly, we never seem to have these sensible, realistic conversations about money when National wants to spend tens of millions of dollars funding the Americas Cup. Or flag referendums. Or just writing checks to multinational corporations like Rio Tinto

    Or the Arts or public transport.

    Comment by NeilM — September 11, 2015 @ 1:47 am

  14. Brian: People, we should be struggling together.
    PFJ member: [in a headlock] We are!
    Brian: No, we should be rising up against the common enemy.
    All: The Judean People’s Front?!
    Brian: No no, the Romans!

    Comment by Lee Clark — September 11, 2015 @ 6:27 am

  15. “All: The Judean People’s Front?!”

    Comment by max — September 11, 2015 @ 9:13 am

  16. Hoskings never got his head around the reality that the government can just print money if it needs it.

    Comment by Steve W — September 14, 2015 @ 11:49 pm

  17. Steve W” If there’s only one reason why money printing isn’t widely used in NZ, it’s probably not the Reserve Bank Act. More likely it’s because of its potential effect on the housing bubble, and no one wants to be holding the bomb when it explodes.

    Comment by Kumara Republic — September 14, 2015 @ 11:59 pm

  18. NeilM: Does Warner Bros count as ‘arts’ funding?

    Comment by Kumara Republic — September 15, 2015 @ 12:00 am

  19. “The cost of the additional places is estimated at $48.8 million over two and a half years” isn’t the same as saying they’re making an appropriation though. People seem to be assuming it includes eg education and health spend. I wasn’t listening but I believe there were questions at the PM’s presser and AFAICT no answers as to how much new money might be involved.

    Comment by Lyndon — September 15, 2015 @ 10:48 am

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