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October 21, 2015

He’s back!

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 8:47 am

Veitchy is in the news again (this time complaining on his Facebook page, not staging a disappearance by driving off in his car and then calling every media outlet to tell them how much pain he’s in). It amazes me how this guy has contrived to put himself at the nexus of almost every contentious issue in modern New Zealand. His story touches on:

  • celebrity culture
  • sports culture and misogyny
  • the normalisation of domestic violence
  • the two tier justice system
  • the toxic intersection of media and the PR industry

For people who take issue with some or all of those things, Veitchy is a weirdly perfect symbol that lets them say everything critical they want to say about these subjects. Being a symbol of many things that lots of people hate seems to conflict with Veitch’s desire to be a universally beloved celebrity and that seems to frustrate him. As a media figure he’s inclined to make his frustration public, which is great from a progressive politics point of view. These are all serious problems in New Zealand and the more attention Veitchy inadvertently draws to them with his tantrums the better.

56 Comments »

  1. I understand the desire to be a universally beloved celebrity. I -definitely- understand the desire to spout off self-righteously about whatever strikes my fancy on social media without caring about the consequences. (Who here can say they don’t?) I even understand the desire to do them both at the same time.

    Why I don’t understand is why anybody of even average intelligence would think it’s actually possible.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 21, 2015 @ 9:36 am

  2. I should say though, thanks to my carefully cultivated ignorance of sports and sports-related media, to me Veitch is just some guy who beat his partner. Like, literally, I don’t know anything else about him.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 21, 2015 @ 9:38 am

  3. Tony “Jake ‘Alan Partridge’ Heke” Veitch
    😦

    Comment by Fooman — October 21, 2015 @ 9:47 am

  4. Who?

    No, I’m serious. On one hand I’m quite happy to see further confirmation that the likes of Stuff and the Herald are going down the tubes.

    On the other hand I have to accept that this is what keeps them alive, this is the shit that most people want to read about and watch, and that can’t be good for our society. Can it?

    Comment by tom hunter — October 21, 2015 @ 9:48 am

  5. “…Tony is one of New Zealand’s best sports commentators…”

    Talk about damned with faint praise.

    Comment by Sanctuary — October 21, 2015 @ 9:58 am

  6. As a media figure he’s inclined to make his frustration public, which is great from a progressive politics point of view.

    Benefit to be shared with Sensible Sentencing Trust and a boost to the concept of penalising criminals forever.

    Comment by unaha-closp — October 21, 2015 @ 10:15 am

  7. Does it look like the right wing ( normally hang-em-high no forgiveness ever ) are the most supportive of Veitch,
    And the left wing ( normally it’s not his fault its society, he needs love and rehabilitation not prison ) are the ones baying loudest for Veitch’s blood?

    Comment by rickrowling — October 21, 2015 @ 10:28 am

  8. I haven’t seen anyone baying for his blood. On the other hand, I’ve unfollowed or muted just about every left-wing activist on twitter because all they seem to do now is spend all day baying for people’s blood, so I mighta missed that.

    Comment by danylmc — October 21, 2015 @ 10:33 am

  9. I’ve unfollowed or muted just about every left-wing activist on twitter because all they seem to do now is spend all day baying for people’s blood

    This will fuck up Twitter’s business model.
    They survive on contrived slacktivism, moral superiority and dick pics.

    Comment by Gregor W — October 21, 2015 @ 10:40 am

  10. @#7

    I’ve seen “the left” in many places people criticising Veitch, not because of his horrific actions, but because of the lack of contrition, the lack of any sign of genuine remorse and the lack of any indication of a self-motivated desire/effort to change his ways.

    His facebook comment blames his crime on the “hideous relationship” and fails to acknowledge that whatever hideous relationship you’ve gotten yourself into its never OK to repeatedly kick someone until their back is broken in multiple places.

    2nd chances are all very well, but if you’re given one some gratitude, contrition and humility is necessary, along with a real effort toward changing yourself and spreading the lesson you’ve learned to help prevent others from repeating your mistakes. This is especially the case if you’re a well-paid celebrity aspiring to be some kind of role model.

    If “the right” seem to be more inclined to support him it might be because he’s a good bloke, ay, and he says he’s learned and “everyone deserves a second chance”*…

    *2nd chance offer does not include beneficiaries, poor criminals, anyone “the right” don’t like…

    Comment by nommopilot — October 21, 2015 @ 10:45 am

  11. “…Tony is one of New Zealand’s best sports commentators…”

    Talk about damned with faint praise”

    Listen to Martin Devlin between 9-12. I have no idea what he is going to say next and neither does he. It’s great. My exposure is limited to the times I am in the car in that time slot but he is the most talented broadcaster I’ve heard anywhere. He was hopeless as a general talk back current affairs host but he’s the Hunter S Thompson of sport radio – but much funnier and nowhere near as self important. He’s spent much of the last month broadcasting from under his desk in fear of an All Black catastrophe

    Veitch is a vast expanse of neediness

    Comment by Tinakori — October 21, 2015 @ 11:08 am

  12. “I’ve unfollowed or muted just about every left-wing activist on twitter because all they seem to do now is spend all day baying for people’s blood

    This will fuck up Twitter’s business model.
    They survive on contrived slacktivism, moral superiority and dick pics.

    Comment by Gregor W — October 21, 2015 @ 10:40 am”

    So we now know what Danyl *does do* on twitter.

    Comment by Richard Williams — October 21, 2015 @ 11:12 am

  13. “His facebook comment blames his crime on the “hideous relationship””

    It’d be a shame if the alleged $100,000 payment for keeping his partner quiet didn’t include an escape clause which might let his partner comment on and (if necessary) challenge or correct anything he said about it. Or was he simply paying the money so he’d be in complete control of the narrative no matter how made up it was?

    Comment by izogi — October 21, 2015 @ 11:37 am

  14. I’m in the Tinakori camp. Listen to Radio Sport when alone in the car. Mainly to and from work.
    Agree about Martin Devlin. The man’s an idiot savant.
    However I will not listen to Veitch, ever.

    Comment by Stephen — October 21, 2015 @ 11:44 am

  15. Veitchy seems to have a sense of impunity, for the simple fact that he’s part of the same ladder-pulling establishment as Mike Hosking, Paul Henry, Leighton Smith, Larry Williams, et al. Swarthier and less famous/rich fellas often end up in jail for lesser offences than Veitchy’s.

    Comment by Kumara Republic (@kumararepublic) — October 21, 2015 @ 12:15 pm

  16. His facebook comment blames his crime on the “hideous relationship” and fails to acknowledge that whatever hideous relationship you’ve gotten yourself into its never OK to repeatedly kick someone until their back is broken in multiple places.

    To be fair, he was commenting on a rugby game when various people mentioned his past. As his employer has said, that was “opportunistic” and certainly does not reflect well on the people concerned.

    Comment by Ross — October 21, 2015 @ 12:52 pm

  17. He was commenting on a physical assault that occurred during a rugby match. Are you suggesting that he is well qualified to comment on such given his proven expertise in the subject matter?

    Comment by Fooman — October 21, 2015 @ 1:38 pm

  18. To be fair, he was commenting on a rugby game when various people mentioned his past. As his employer has said, that was “opportunistic” and certainly does not reflect well on the people concerned.

    People who work in the modern interactive media get goaded, every day – fairly or not. He’s a talkback host. If his job requirement is that nobody should ever have a go at him (and if they do then he can say whatever he likes in response), then he should find another career.

    In short, he gets paid to be better than his unpaid listeners.

    While Danyl says:

    As a media figure he’s inclined to make his frustration public, which is great from a progressive politics point of view. These are all serious problems in New Zealand and the more attention Veitchy inadvertently draws to them with his tantrums the better.

    If that were true, then the Prime Minister would drop Veitch like a stone, without hesitation. But Blo-Key continues to be matey with Veitchy (it’s a regular radio spot), because his people have done their homework. Pandering to the cavemen delivers a net gain in votes, which is a far more disturbing insight into our society than anything anyone will tweet.

    Comment by sammy 3.0 — October 21, 2015 @ 1:57 pm

  19. Government by clickbait. Brilliant!

    Comment by Stephen — October 21, 2015 @ 2:23 pm

  20. He was commenting on a physical assault that occurred during a rugby match. Are you suggesting that he is well qualified to comment on such given his proven expertise in the subject matter?

    I think you’ll find he has freedom of expression, and given he’s a sports commentator he’s more qualified than most to talk about sport. If you don’t think he’s qualified to talk about sport, I suggest you inform his employer.

    Meanwhile a convicted child abuser has maintained name suppression. “Removing his name suppression after such a long period would have ‘disproportionately punitive consequences’, would cause extreme hardship and could repunish him.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/73216282/abused-sisters-lose-high-court-bid-to-name-attacker

    Comment by Ross — October 21, 2015 @ 2:51 pm

  21. Tony Veitch, Mike Hosking, Paul Henry, Leighton Smith, Larry Williams, John Key. These are our leaders, influencers and role models. Thank god many young people have tuned out of mainstream media, but they are a pretty depressing representation of what it means to be a successful New Zealander in 2015 – male, right wing, pakeha only and in terms of their attitudes towards women,sexist at best and unrepentently violent at worst.

    Comment by strangejane — October 22, 2015 @ 8:14 am

  22. Also unsaid. The two tier racist society we live in…

    Would the Prime Minister be appearing publicly a Maori man who had kicked his partner like this, and who is alleged to have kicked a man in the face at a Ponsonby nightclub a few weeks ago?

    Comment by Moses — October 23, 2015 @ 9:17 am

  23. The two tier racist society we live in…

    I’m sure the PM has Maori friends, especially within the Maori Party.🙂

    Bearing in mind that Veitch’s violent assault occurred 9 years ago, how often should he be reminded of it? Even a convicted child sex abuser doesn’t deserve, according to the courts, to lose name suppression which could cause him to be “repunished”.

    Comment by Ross — October 23, 2015 @ 10:52 am

  24. I’m just shocked that he was never sent to prison. I assumed he would be, considering how serious his offending was.

    Comment by Can of Worms, Opened — October 23, 2015 @ 5:02 pm

  25. Although none of these compare to a violent assault, it’s worth recalling that his previous radio “highlights” include comparing Serena Williams to an ape, and James Blake to a golliwog (they’re both black tennis players), and generally pandering to the bigot brigade of Newstalk ZB. That’s “Veitchy”, that’s his thing.

    If he’s the nation’s top sports broadcaster, then the nation has problems. The Herald’s silence is particularly shameful.

    Comment by sammy 3.0 — October 23, 2015 @ 6:53 pm

  26. Test

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 23, 2015 @ 9:37 pm

  27. Here’s yet another reason for the left to drive home the point that Western society is just the worst in the world-

    Only in America: Black pedestrians have to wait longer to cross the street

    From an academic study of course.

    You’re being manipulated by Critical Theorists.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 24, 2015 @ 11:19 am

  28. “yet another reason for the left to drive home the point that Western society is just the worst in the world”

    But Red, I thought contemporary Western society was just the worst in the world, what with it being riddled with leftists and collapsing into communism?

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 24, 2015 @ 6:55 pm

  29. Pt 1 of previous comment- Some of the left get it. Most of them don’t. Its not about Veitch. Its not even about domestic violence. Its about Critical Theory, that Marxist strategy that demands that our society must be fractured and weak and thereby enhancing the prospects for a further slide to the left. Most left wing “concerns” are driven by this strategy.

    To illustrate the point, look back to post and pre WWII Britain. There was no Cultural Marxism. There was no Critical Theory. There was a well designed united, secure and functioning society. It was so strong, it beat back the Nazi forces that dominated the rest of Europe.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 25, 2015 @ 12:12 pm

  30. Nope, impossible. cannot post comments here… too bad about rest of comment

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 25, 2015 @ 12:15 pm

  31. @Redbaiter: So, in order to have a strong society that can fight Nazis, we need to allow domestic violence to go uncriticised? Got it.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 25, 2015 @ 6:10 pm

  32. I think we can go even further, kalvarnsen, and posit that it was the existence of domestic violence that enabled Britain to be the strong, united, secure and functioning society capable of beating back the Nazis.

    Unlike those weak, divided, supine Russian communists – their devoted adherence to leftist ideology rendered them easy pickings for Hitler’s forces, it did.

    Right. That’s my evening’s worth of fracturing and weakening done. I’ll report my success back to cultural Marxism HQ and take myself off to bed.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — October 25, 2015 @ 8:07 pm

  33. Andrew- How does the treatment of women in Western society compare with the treatment of them in Indian (Hindu) or Muslim (Arabic) society. In fact looking at the big picture, if you’re really bent out of shape over social issues like inequality and wealth distribution and the poor, why aren’t you busy in India, Africa and other parts of the word where such problems do actually exist and to a far far greater degree than in NZ? I’ll tell you why. Because you don’t really care about such issues, you just want to be critical of NZ society.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 26, 2015 @ 12:11 pm

  34. Redbaiter – Is this the new version of the “if you hate it so much here, why don’t you go back to Russia?” argument against anyone who criticises anything that happens in NZ? Because it’s just as fatuous and irrelevant.

    But thanks for engaging! My masters/mistresses at cultural Marxism HQ will be delighted that I’ve momentarily distracted you from your self-appointed role in thwarting their nefarious designs.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — October 26, 2015 @ 4:53 pm

  35. Man, Andrew really pwned you thoroughly, Russell, hence your illogical retort. Congratulations on undermining the noble cause of anti-cultural Marxism once again. But just for the record, how is wife-beating necessary for the defeat of the Nazis?

    Comment by Judge Holden — October 26, 2015 @ 4:58 pm

  36. “Because it’s just as fatuous and irrelevant.”

    Its not actually. It is right on the button. The attacks on Vietch are out of proportion and deliberately designed to create the impression that our society has a major flaw that can only be repaired by means of voting for left wing political parties. I repeat. There is no intent to diminish Vietch’s actions, however in terms of a flawed society, the reality there is very little to see, especially in comparison with other societies. We don’t have a flaw, and we don’t need the left to fix it.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 26, 2015 @ 5:55 pm

  37. BTW, if concede that you are genuinely interested in improving the lot of women in our present society, then why is it that the left insists we must embrace the “diversity” and “vibrance” of sub-cultures that severely subjugate women? How does this help NZ women? Seriously Andrew, you tell me how this social/ political policy of widespread immigration from sub-cultures where women are treated like chattels fits in with your professed reverence for the rights of women.

    It doesn’t of course. Another point proving the real issue is Critical Theory.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 26, 2015 @ 6:12 pm

  38. “The attacks on Vietch are out of proportion”

    What would be a proportionate response to Veitch’s actions in your opinion?

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 26, 2015 @ 7:04 pm

  39. The attacks on Vietch are out of proportion and deliberately designed to create the impression that our society has a major flaw that can only be repaired by means of voting for left wing political parties.

    Not sure I’ve actually seen anyone run the argument “vote Green/Labour/Mana to stop domestic violence”, but maybe I don’t read the right (left) blogs. I’m sure you’ll have no problem linking to someone who makes that explicit claim. Or maybe it’s just the “vibe” of the argument – y’know, you just sort of know it is there because it must be.

    As for the “if you love womens’ rights, why support the migration of people from cultures with poor records on womens’ rights” argument … you do realise that half the folks who come from those places to NZ are women? And (from a womens’ rights perspective) it’s a lot better for them to be here in NZ than back in those cultures?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — October 26, 2015 @ 7:39 pm

  40. What would be a proportionate response to Veitch’s actions in your opinion?

    According to Judge Jan Marie Doogue, a sentence of nine months’ supervision, 300 hours of community service, a $10,000 fine, and an appropriate anti-violence programme if required by his probation officer.

    Comment by Graeme Edgeler — October 26, 2015 @ 8:25 pm

  41. Andrew, do you know that Sweden, a country that embraced left wing ideas on cultural diversity, is now the rape capital of Europe?

    You guys sure did so much to improve things for women there.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 26, 2015 @ 8:30 pm

  42. @Redbaiter: What would be a proportionate response to Veitch’s actions in your opinion?

    Still waiting for an answer to that.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 26, 2015 @ 9:16 pm

  43. Kalvorsen- I normally have no need of interrogation by arrogant left wing zealots, but just this once I will grant your request. I think the proportionate response is whatever he was dealt by the courts. I think it is unjust to make examples of criminals (in the courts) or to use them as political footballs. I say that at the same time as I believe the NZ justice system to be a derelict non-performing part of our govt, but can we expect much more when the population itself is so widely amoral and liberal on crime that it would be difficult for ANY govt system to deal with the situation?

    Socialism breeds crime because by promoting the idea that we are all guilty as a society (more Critical Theory) it breaks down individual responsibility. We need the concept of personal responsibility returned and we need a justice system that works in tandem with the concept.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 26, 2015 @ 9:55 pm

  44. “According to Judge Jan Marie Doogue” ….

    That’d be a response to his seriously assaulting his partner and breaking her back. Are we not, however, talking about the proportionate response to his more recent statement of opinion about an alleged act of violence, from a highly privileged platform, after having done what he did?

    People are constantly treated as a consequence of stuff they’ve done in the past, even when it wasn’t illegal and courts weren’t involved. If he didn’t want to be repeatedly criticised in public for stuff he’s done in the past, maybe he shoudn’t have done it and then continued to seek employment in a highly public forum where he’s paid to spout opinion about other people. Speech is free for everyone (not just for Veitch), and that’s the type of reaction these media positions are meant to provoke, anyway.

    Comment by izogi — October 26, 2015 @ 9:56 pm

  45. @Redbaiter: I assure you I am sufficiently grateful for your deigning to answer my question. However, given your belief that NZ’s courts are so incredibly lax and that our justice system is a revolving door that enables offenders, I’m very surprised to hear you say that it’s disproportionate to say that it’s disproportionate to talk critically about criminals. You’re familiar, I assume, with the case of the Christchurch teenager who was given a few hours of community service for bashing a pensioner in the old man’s home – would it be disproportionate for me to say that I felt the young man was scum who should be locked away and that the court sentence was insanely lenient? Because if it’s cultural marxism to criticise Veitchy, isn’t it similarly cultural marxism to criticise the glue-sniffing home invader?

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 26, 2015 @ 10:40 pm

  46. I don’t think the issue under discussion here is the court system. I only introduced it to qualify the opinion you asked me to give. The real point I am trying to discuss is do we have a bad society because of what Veitch did or are his actions those of an individual, one man among a country of around 2.5 million men. The left use Veitch’s crime to allege the former to be the case. They make a lot of similar allegations about all kinds of things. Most of them aimed at the same objective. Making us ashamed of ourselves. Most of those allegations are untrue. We have a comparatively good society. Not anywhere as good as it was around the time of post war Britain, but that is because your strategies have worked so well. There is degeneration, but that is the intent of Critical Theory.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 26, 2015 @ 11:32 pm

  47. The issue isn’t the court system, the issue is what you consider to be a disproportionate discourse concerning violent criminals. You’ve talked about Veitch specifically, I’m just wondering if you would extend this principle more broadly or if there’s something else you haven’t mentioned that means that criticising Veitch undermines society while criticising the Christchurch home invader doesn’t.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 27, 2015 @ 1:21 am

  48. Andrew, do you know that Sweden, a country that embraced left wing ideas on cultural diversity, is now the rape capital of Europe?

    And here is why: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

    The tl;dr is – different definitions of “rape”, different recording practices, change in police attitudes, etc, etc.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — October 27, 2015 @ 10:16 am

  49. Oh! And while we are at it … France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria, the UK, Greece and Bulgaria all have a higher proportionate Muslim population than Sweden does. Because let’s face it – you’re hatin’ on the Muslims here, aren’t you Anders Behring?

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — October 27, 2015 @ 10:23 am

  50. What I was saying is that the left claim Western Society is incomplete and inadequate unless it embraces the diversity of other cultures. Yet here you are Andrew saying that if these foreign cultures come, they must modify and reshape their ideas so they accord with the West’s ideas. On feminism in particular. If that is so then what is the point of the bringing them in the first place. It seems the need for “diversity” etc is obviously BS.

    Then they don’t change their ideas anyway. (Have you personally tried arguing with a Muslim on their religious/ cultural beliefs?) So in the end all we have is a further corrosion of Western society. More deliberate but misguided destruction of one of the greatest civilisations that has ever existed.

    I say that is really what you want, and that the diversity claim is just cover for the objective of a collapsed Western Society to be rebuilt according to the leftist blueprint.

    The deep flaws in your arguments leave me no other possible conclusion.

    (BTW, only using Muslims as a convenient example. There are many other examples of similarly destructive ideas)

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 27, 2015 @ 11:36 am

  51. According to Judge Jan Marie Doogue, a sentence of nine months’ supervision, 300 hours of community service, a $10,000 fine, and an appropriate anti-violence programme if required by his probation officer.

    Hmmm that was several years ago, Graeme. I think you’ll find Veitch has served that sentence. As far as him expressing his opinion which he did recently, I’m not sure any action is necessary.

    Comment by Ross — October 27, 2015 @ 12:16 pm

  52. The tl;dr is – different definitions of “rape”, different recording practices, change in police attitudes, etc, etc.

    Victims of “rape” gain high value compensation if proven in court and are afforded additional social support even if the case is unproven. The majority of cases have insufficient evidence to proceed. Prosecutions of false accusation are very rare.

    Comment by unaha-closp — October 27, 2015 @ 12:42 pm

  53. OK – this thread has gone places I don’t want to visit. I’m out.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — October 27, 2015 @ 6:32 pm

  54. “I’m just wondering if you would extend this principle more broadly or if there’s something else you haven’t mentioned that means that criticising Veitch undermines society while criticising the Christchurch home invader doesn’t.”

    Again, still waiting for an answer.

    Comment by kalvarnsen — October 27, 2015 @ 7:01 pm

  55. Lol, is this not playing the man rather than the ball?
    So we can point and laugh and criticise when Veitch comments on an act of violence, but we can’t when Naomi Oreskes flies to NZ to talk about global warming and consumption?

    Comment by Clunking Fist — October 28, 2015 @ 3:52 pm

  56. “OK – this thread has gone places I don’t want to visit. I’m out.”

    That’s OK Andrew. I actually sympathise with your plight. For the left to say on one hand they support equality for women and on the other encourage immigration from a cultural group that treats women as chattels is an impossible position to defend.

    In most discussions on either issue, this contradiction is the elephant in the room. You deserve credit for having a go at it, even as futile as that attempt may have been.

    Comment by Redbaiter — October 28, 2015 @ 4:21 pm


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