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November 12, 2015

Just while we’re hating on Parliament

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 1:56 pm

I want to remind everyone of the time Bill English as acting Prime Minister signed an SIS warrant on behalf of the Prime Minister, and didn’t tell him, and then Key was asked about it in the House and didn’t show up. So English answered the question on his behalf and explained that he didn’t know what the Prime Minister didn’t know about what the acting Prime Minister didn’t know about what the Prime Minister didn’t know.


  1. A phrase worthy of Rumsfeld himself.

    Comment by Korakys — November 12, 2015 @ 2:11 pm

  2. English is often very tricksey in the House.

    Comment by rsmsingers — November 12, 2015 @ 2:27 pm

  3. Something similar happened just now.

    The Justice Minister was asked how many NZers on Xmas Island have convictions for rape or murder. Simon Bridges answered on her behalf and lied. He said he didn’t know.

    The aim being to protect the PM from his own lies about the numbers, which we all now know (it’s zero), but Bridges pretends not to.

    Comment by sammy 3.0 — November 12, 2015 @ 2:35 pm

  4. English is often very tricksey in the House.

    Kafkaesque is the term I would use.

    Comment by Gregor W — November 12, 2015 @ 3:05 pm

  5. Storms are a raging, the weather’s mad as hell. Key and his pose fiddle as though the water ain’t rising, and there’s no poison in their well. Perhaps it’s time, John? Time for you to step down before the weather washes you away.

    Comment by Thor — November 12, 2015 @ 3:33 pm

  6. From Hansard:
    GRANT ROBERTSON: On 16 February (2012). At that meeting Mr Dotcom’s residency status was raised, and we know from court affidavits that immediately after that point the bureau believed that the spying was unlawful.

    On 22 February bureau staff wrote that they believed that the spying was unlawful, and we have been asked to believe time and again that Ian Fletcher did not think that this was important enough to talk to John Key about in the numerous meetings that he held with him. Magically, 5 days after this, someone fathomed up some legal advice to say that, actually, it was lawful after all. There were five different versions of that legal advice in those 5 days.

    Maybe it was the 6th version that decided it was unlawful AFTER ALL. Yet their legal advice is still not up to standard as recently revealed.

    Then this:
    “But then, mysteriously, in August 2012, when it became time, apparently, for Mr Fletcher to pop across the road to Parliament and say: “We need a ministerial certificate signed to suppress the involvement of the Government Communications Security Bureau in this case.”, John Key was not there. He was overseas. So the person who signed that ministerial certificate to suppress information about the role of the bureau was Bill English. Bill English signed that certificate off.

    The Government knew in February, it was raised again in May, John Key found out about it in July, Bill English signed a certificate to suppress the evidence in August, and John Key tries to tell New Zealanders that September was the first time he had heard about it.”

    Comment by dukeofurl — November 12, 2015 @ 3:34 pm

  7. “He was overseas. ”

    watching his son play softball, while this thing was signed, and while the military buried some soldiers.

    Comment by Pascal's bookie — November 12, 2015 @ 4:49 pm

  8. Think of the children, PB!

    Comment by Gregor W — November 12, 2015 @ 4:57 pm

  9. Well it doesn’t matter who was lying. It matters who was “stronger”.

    Am I playing it right?

    Comment by Wurble — November 12, 2015 @ 8:41 pm

  10. protect the PM from his own lies about the numbers, which we all now know (it’s zero)
    Yes, but the Australians didn’t tell him that it was zero, so the error was all their fault, so he didn’t mislead Parliament.

    Comment by herr doktor bimler — November 13, 2015 @ 3:48 pm

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