The Dim-Post

March 16, 2016

Stupidity Jalfrezi

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 10:17 pm

Via Newshub:

There are too many foreign chefs in the kitchen.

That’s what Labour Leader Andrew Little has said this afternoon, taking aim at “ethnic” restaurants hiring overseas workers instead of hiring New Zealanders.

“Let’s just turn the tap down a bit. Let’s just moderate the flow then when things are sorted out then lets open the gates again,” he said.

Here’s what I love. Labour’s gone and done some research and found out that a bunch of persuadable voters want something done about immigration. And they’ve looked at the US and UK and seen what a successful issue it can be. So they’ve gone back to their office and thought about an angle and, somehow, stumbled upon the anti-immigration story that perfectly undermines all the logic of anti-immigration stories: that we shouldn’t bring ethnic migrants into the country to cook their own food because decent kiwis should do it.

There are almost certainly lots of people in the country that want the government to do something about ‘immigration’. But are there ten people in the whole country – outside of the Labour leaders’ office – who think we have too many skilled migrant cooks in our restaurants? It’s almost adorable the way they’ve tried to do something cynical, but executed it in a way that totally undermines their own attempt at divisiveness.

 

32 Comments »

  1. For some bizarre reason AL seems to be trying to channel Donald, without the charm and honesty of course. First the attack on the banks and now immigration. I look forward to the plan for expanding defense.

    Comment by John A — March 16, 2016 @ 10:33 pm

  2. To be fair, he did succeed in drawing out John Key’s 1970’s-golf-club prejudices. “Chicken chop suey”, FFS.

    Reject racism, get patronised and stereotyped instead. You Chinese, have money, we likee likee!

    Comment by sammy 3.0 — March 16, 2016 @ 10:40 pm

  3. Daryl, not really sure how much can say on this, Let us say it is known the amount of ‘chefs (cough)’ we import to work on subsistence wages in cheap curry houses would not make you feel good. I suspect someone in Labour knows this, but didn’t have the balls to say we were not importing chefs, but using the regime as a back door for immigration, where the immigrant gets a NZ visa, and the employer gets someone to work for super cheap.

    I somehow doubt however this has anything to do with what people are worried about immigration for (house prices etc),, as they have no money.

    Comment by Jeff — March 16, 2016 @ 11:02 pm

  4. Chicken Chop Suey is racist now? Crikey, I must tell my Mum. She learned how to make Chop Suey from her Chinese neighbour when she was growing up in Fiji. I’ll give her a call tomorrow and let her know she’s little more than a 1970’s golf club racist. Thanks for the heads-up. Chicken Chop Suey FFS! Let’s ban it!

    Comment by alphanumeric — March 16, 2016 @ 11:40 pm

  5. As per my comment on the Kiwibank post,

    > Little seems to have a habit of chucking ideas out there, that he is not 100% serious about or committed to. Is this a form of thinking out loud perhaps? or of floating ideas to see how they go down?

    Floating the notion of shifting the burden of proof in rape cases, was another example.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — March 16, 2016 @ 11:46 pm

  6. To be fair, in union circles there has long been a concern at the behaviour of Asian and Indian restaurants in relation to abuse of miigrant staff. Little’s mistake is to assume this concern is known and shared by the wider community in our brain dead, low information media environment, and therefore he could use restaurants within a context of an informed population. The only people who actually know or care about this issue are the Unite union and various human rights and labour law activists.

    And that is Labour’s problem. They are just so hopelessly clueless. They don’t have David Farrar to tell them what to think and their caucus is chock full of institutionalised has beens, professional politicians and well meaning ex-unionists who don’t really know what people are thinking. Yet again, the strategically disasterous failure to refresh the parliamentary party after the 2008 and 2011 defeats is haunting Labour.

    Just BTW being anti-immigration in NZ First terms won’t work, or at least work well enough, to grow support. That because unlike, say, the French or the Spanish there is no strong single cultural/ethnic definition of what a New Zealander is. The idea is much more plastic in NZ than here in Europe. New world countries need to appeal to a broad set of values and rights that define the “New Zealand dream” and then explain an antii-immigration policy in those terms. Cap immigration because it a) drives down wages and b) drives up house prices which are both undermining the right of a New Zealander to a fair days pay for a fair days work and to own their own home as part of the “NZ way of life”. That allows NZer’s of any ethnic origin to support you, as long as they believe in your values.

    Comment by Sanctuary — March 17, 2016 @ 12:00 am

  7. > To be fair, in union circles there has long been a concern at the behaviour of Asian and Indian restaurants in relation to abuse of miigrant staff.

    This is a reason to reduce immigration??

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — March 17, 2016 @ 12:20 am

  8. What fucks me off somewhat as well is this notion that less skilled people have no place in, have nothing to contribute to NZ.

    Meanwhile people with money can swan in and not necessarily contribute anything positive.

    I’d prefer to have a greater number of less well off immigrants with less valued skills – apparently cooking doesn’t rate much – who generally work hard and create communities, do well by their families.

    Why Little has turned out to be a glib reactionary is a bit of a mystery. To a degree it must be their attempt to populist but it’s being done in such a shambolic fashion.

    Comment by NeilM — March 17, 2016 @ 12:35 am

  9. Brilliant move by Crosby-Texor to to make migrant exploitation an issue responded to with knee-jerk accusations of racism.

    Comment by Bruce — March 17, 2016 @ 2:40 am

  10. Looking at Little’s press release the whole thing seems to be an out of context, cherry picked quote, clickbait beatup of the most miserable kind that mostly paints journalism in a bad light. Quelle surprise.

    I think, though, it does inform us of how easily played NZs credulous middle class liberals can be, if you play to their “outraged white people” predilections. And that is actual Crosby Textor.

    Comment by Sanctuary — March 17, 2016 @ 6:58 am

  11. Well I must say it is disturbing to start your day broadly agreeing with something Sanctuary said [the first post, the second was silly-blaming the media for reporting Littles race baiting]

    Berating people who are unskilled as having nothing to offer NZ doesn’t sound like something you’d expect a Labour leader to be saying, except he’s targeting asian immigrants again rather than unskilled New Zealanders . I’m not sure this is going to win back votes, NZ first already has this ground covered and has had for quite some time.

    Having said that, theres a fairly steady stream of articles in the news about restaurants confiscating staffs passports and paying them below the minimum wage. The staff at those places are the people I would have expected Little to be supporting , theres probably not enough of them to be worth chasing the votes of though.

    Comment by Cliff Clavin — March 17, 2016 @ 7:13 am

  12. Characterising being a chef as semi-skilled rubs salt into the wounds.

    Or was Little just saying that about ethnic cooking.

    Either way there’s some interesting stereotyping going on.

    From a former union leader, and with McCarten being his adviser, it’s disturbingly dismissive of people’s jobs and skills.

    Comment by Neilm — March 17, 2016 @ 7:27 am

  13. To be fair, on Andrew’s salary and with the kinds of expense accounts he runs, there’s probably little need for him to worry about where he buys his takeaways or how much he pays for them.

    If he did get out of his cossetted comfort-zone, then he might be activating for – you know- better representation and rights for such unskilled workers maybe looking into immigration abuses, and passport confiscations. Who knows where it might lead? He could even explore the growing trend in sex-trade people trafficking and widen the remit to challenging some human rights abuses happening under our noses. All worthy causes for any socially progressive person with aspirations to leadership.

    And yet, he comes up with a(nother) ‘stick in a bucket of swill’ notion that you can’t even get your feet wet as you wade through it. This is not a pleasurable experience – I almost feel like I’ve been caught out mocking someone with learning difficulties.

    Comment by leeharmanclark — March 17, 2016 @ 7:52 am

  14. Recently at one of the Vietnamese restaurants in Otahuhu frankly the noddles were over cooked and i know the owners are mainland Chinese. The original owners having sold i can only suspect that the chef wasnt VN either.

    Someone needs to take charge,

    Comment by Simon — March 17, 2016 @ 8:39 am

  15. I don’t think they did any research, or planned this, or that it was cynical. I think they are so retarded they did it by mistake.

    Comment by Matthew Hooton — March 17, 2016 @ 8:46 am

  16. Little seems to be channeling his inner Cunliffe. Maybe there needs to be a skilled migrant to take over the Labour top job or its communication arm.

    I’d love for there to be a change of govt at the next election but there needs to be a competent alternative leader which Little plainly isn’t. Is there time for yet another leadership change?

    Comment by clintnelson — March 17, 2016 @ 8:50 am

  17. Has Winston claimed this is NZF policy from twenty years ago yet? This’ll teach him for leaving his old play books lying around.

    Comment by Robert Singers — March 17, 2016 @ 9:15 am

  18. Senior intelligence officials are probably too busy enjoying their time being embedded – or even running – ethnic community associations or charities like, even the Freemasons – but let’s leave it at that – to have time to really determine who is a Jihadi bride or not, I suspect. After all, there are trade relations to consider. And those community organisations and charities are ripe for independent initiatives that may contradict them.

    Comment by Bruce — March 17, 2016 @ 9:22 am

  19. Appologies, the above post was meant for your latest one. Delete this and let me repost above.

    Comment by Bruce — March 17, 2016 @ 9:24 am

  20. What is it with Andrew Little at the moment
    I am sure under the “Angry Andy” persona there is a decent man who wants the best for NZers preferably lead by a left wing PM
    Instead we get random comments covering just about anything he thinks about falling out of his mouth, mostly it sounds like a bunch of “captains calls” and that didn’t end well for Tony Abbot

    It is like he is a dog chasing cars but if he catches one he is really going to be baffled

    So time for some discipline

    Comment by Ray — March 17, 2016 @ 9:35 am

  21. What mean to post on this thread was this: being critical of the many of the migrant workers important to do low-end or semi-skilled jobs in various industries in this country are never going to achieve New Zealand citizenship. On top of that, many are recruited through international labour hire agencies, and are on temporary visas. When they are no longer needed, their visas are run out or cancelled. The whole fake debate that immigrants are simply more hardworking and to argue against them taking jobs from New Zealanders is simply racist. But who has quantified how many of those temporary migrants actually achieve citizenship? What journalist has determined how many of those low or semi-skilled jobs actually lead to those migrants falling under the protection that New Zealander workers enjoy; and, with their removal, especially recently, encourage so-called lazy New Zealander workers who have access to the rights of New Zealand citizens, are jobs arranged via labour hire agencies, agencies that often recruit migrant crews wholesale through said agents, the jobs not in reality ever being offered or made available to unemployed New Zealand citizens?

    Labour has a point, was kneecapped in the cherry-picked reporting over recent days of Little’s statements, but the party still didn’t mange to elucidate that underlying issue, seeming misunderstood by all those who reported on it.

    So the SEA workers on the Christchurch rebuild are all to be granted citizenship and all the rights and protections that grants? Give me a break. Someone call Denis Maga, please.

    Comment by Bruce — March 17, 2016 @ 9:54 am

  22. What I meant to post on this thread was this: being critical of the many of the migrant workers apparently needed to do low-end or semi-skilled jobs in various industries in this country is seen as racist, but most are never going to achieve New Zealand citizenship or residency and the lessing protection to workers that allows.

    On top of that, many workers are recruited through international labour hire agencies, and are on temporary visas. When they are no longer needed, their visas run out or cancelled. The whole fake debate is that immigrants are simply more hardworking and to argue against them taking jobs from New Zealanders is simply racist. But who has quantified how many of those temporary migrants actually achieve citizenship? What journalist has determined how many of those low or semi-skilled jobs actually lead to those migrants falling under the protection that New Zealander workers enjoy; and, with the removal of those protections, especially recently, how many of those fake job ads encourage so-called lazy New Zealander workers who have access to the rights of New Zealand citizens will actually lead to work? Many jobs are now arranged via labour hire agencies, in bulk, agencies that often recruit migrant crews wholesale through said agents; jobs that, in reality, are not really being offered or made available seriously to unemployed New Zealand citizens.

    Labour has a point, was kneecapped in the cherry-picked reporting over recent days of Little’s statements, but the party still didn’t mange to elucidate that underlying issue, one seeming misunderstood by all those who reported on it.

    So the SEA workers on the Christchurch rebuild are all to be granted citizenship and all the rights and protections that grants? Give me a break. Someone call Denis Maga, please.

    Comment by Bruce — March 17, 2016 @ 10:03 am

  23. The most disappointing aspect was that this allowed Michael woodhouse to come in and say something entirely sensible, and occupy the moral high ground.

    Comment by CarolS — March 17, 2016 @ 11:03 am

  24. You’re assuming there’s a strategy when it’s just a misunderstanding.
    http://www.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_responds

    Comment by Jimmy — March 17, 2016 @ 4:19 pm

  25. In light of the ghost jihadi brides and “Maori privilege” issues, I’ll leave the last word to the cast & crew of Avenue Q.

    Comment by Kumara Republic (@kumararepublic) — March 17, 2016 @ 5:06 pm

  26. Omigawd, here we go again! It’s RACISM! The debate about immigration has been aired before now, in the context of this:

    http://croakingcassandra.com/2015/08/24/qa-on-immigration/

    Andrew Little is right: at a time when both the economy and the Auckland housing market are creaking, it’s time to crimp the numbers of migrants coming into the country. There is no evidence that the sort of open slather immigration we have here does anything to grow the economy. Anyone doesn’t believe me, read some more of the Croaking Cassandra posts. Or listen to Bernard Hickey; this, for instance:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/201793630/immigration-cap

    Trouble is, because a significant subset of those migrants aren’t white, the questioning of policies that allow almost uncontrolled migration into the country can be glossed as racism. It’s not. The immigration tap needs to be turned down; the practice of granting working visas to international students needs to be curtailed, if not stopped altogether.

    Comment by D'Esterre — March 17, 2016 @ 9:59 pm

  27. I can see why WInston is worried Andrew might poach some of his votes.

    Comment by leeharmanclark — March 18, 2016 @ 6:57 am

  28. Presumably AL includes the numerous British, French and Italian chefs working at the Viaduct restaurants and other similar establishments in his category of “ethnic chefs” taking NZers’ jobs?

    If Labour is true to its values then perhaps AL ought be talking about the exploitation of low paid and low skilled students & workers in NZ, foreign or not. There is multitude of PTEs offering “hospitality qualifications” to international students for exorbitant fees. These are a back door for obtaining work visas for underpaid hospitality jobs, where the students/workers are again exploited. It is a booming industry and “ordinary hard working kiwis” are making a sh!t load of money from it.

    Comment by HKH — March 18, 2016 @ 8:18 am

  29. D’Esterre: Generation Rentier are the real antagonists in regards to the Auckland housing market. But they’re basically as powerful as an unelected House of Lords, so immigrants are easier to scapegoat.

    HKH: I wonder how politically connected the PTEs owners are?

    Comment by Kumara Republic (@kumararepublic) — March 18, 2016 @ 11:00 am

  30. “Andrew Little is right: at a time when both the economy and the Auckland housing market are creaking”
    The economy is creaking?

    As has been pointed out before, 97% of economist agree: lack of wage inflation is real, and it’s largely caused by immigration. It’s good that a party of the workers has finally noticed this.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — March 18, 2016 @ 2:34 pm

  31. Kumara Republic:”..so immigrants are easier to scapegoat.”

    There are no sufficient conditions; a multiplicity of factors have contributed to the current dire state of the Auckland property market. Various members of the commentariat keep telling us how many migrants are pouring into NZ, most of them into Auckland.Unless these people are all living under bridges, they’ll be taking up bedspace somewhere in the city. So they – along with other contributing factors – are a legitimate target for those who are questioning our open slather immigration policy.

    Clunking Fist: “The economy is creaking?” Of course it is. Take away immigration and it’d fall over. Contrarily – as you yourself point out – we’ve got real issues with lack of wage growth, and it’s caused for the most part by immigration. Many of those migrants are low-skill and they come to low-wage jobs. This isn’t what was supposed to happen; now even Bill English concedes there is a problem:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/299259/incomes-dropping-despite-gdp-growth,-english-admits

    Comment by D'Esterre — March 18, 2016 @ 10:44 pm

  32. @kumararepublic There are way too many PTEs to attribute to political connections. It’s just easy money exploiting successive governments’ stupid policy settings.

    Comment by HKH — March 19, 2016 @ 11:08 am


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