The Dim-Post

March 31, 2016

Voluminous disclosure

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 9:00 am

Rob Salmond and Matthew Hooton had a discussion about commentators and ‘paid political operators’ and conflicts of interest, which seems like a good time to disclose that I’ve recently done a bit of paid contract work for the Green Party (research, writing). Also, and possibly more significantly, as of last week I’m a member of the Greens’ Campaign Committee, which is tasked with planning and implementing the party’s 2017 election campaign. So I will not be a totally disinterested commentator when analysing the upcoming campaign or politics in general.

I don’t really do any of the mainstream media political commentary that Hooton and Salmond do. And no one in the Greens asks me to write or say certain things on the blog. (They have, in the past, but the requests were so lame I did not comply.) I find that my bias is mostly one of omission. I get confused about what I know that is and isn’t confidential, so I basically mostly say nothing about the Greens so I don’t get in trouble. If the party somehow becomes so newsworthy that I have to write about them, and I have to check what I’m writing with the staff or leaders I’ll make sure I disclose that. Otherwise they’ve got nothing to do with any of my pontificating.

71 Comments »

  1. If only Jordan Williams was so honest…

    Comment by Sanctuary — March 31, 2016 @ 9:13 am

  2. ARRGGGHH NOOO!!!]

    NZ needs good, witty writers with an ironic distance and a sense of humour a damn sight more than we need another fucking political campaign committee member.

    Comment by robhosking — March 31, 2016 @ 9:14 am

  3. @robhosking: “NZ needs good, witty writers with an ironic distance and a sense of humour a damn sight more than we need”

    In that respect, Danyl was damaged some time ago.

    “These people shouldn’t be at the heart of our government. They’re a cancer. I’m not naive, I know that politics involves leaks; that there are dirty tricks in every government. But I like to think that if a left-wing government gets this bad, I’ll do something about it. Because I’m going to do something about this. I’m not sure what, exactly. Join the Green Party, donate money to them and volunteer, to start with. Stop bickering with others on the left and focus on the real threat. Hopefully a lot more. Because these people are evil and they Do Not Get to Win.”

    Comment by izogi — March 31, 2016 @ 9:31 am

  4. We are all damaged, in some way. But I retain enough of my Bible Class Learnin’ to hope for some redemption. Sometimes.

    Comment by robhosking — March 31, 2016 @ 9:36 am

  5. “Stop bickering with others on the left and focus on the real threat.”

    The real threat, of course, being Sue Moroney’s tweets.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — March 31, 2016 @ 9:55 am

  6. The internet never forgets….

    Comment by Sanctuary — March 31, 2016 @ 9:59 am

  7. OK, Danyl, since you’re in a disclosing mood, can I ask another rude question?

    Why do you spend so much energy on criticising Labour? Is it
    (a) to encourage Labour to lift its game
    (b) to express your feelings of dissatisfaction and annoyance
    (c) to win left wing voters over to the Greens, or
    (d) for some other reason?

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — March 31, 2016 @ 10:15 am

  8. PS What (broadly) did Hoots and Rob have to say? NBR link is paywalled

    Comment by Antoine — March 31, 2016 @ 10:15 am

  9. PS What (broadly) did Hoots and Rob have to say? NBR link is paywalled

    Hoots said Rob was a big poopy head and then Rob said “na uh, not even, you are” and then Hoots was all like “OMG, I can’t believe you even went there” so Rob said Hoots was a paid stooge for big capital and his (Hoot’s) whole media persona was an extension of his business interests and Hoots replied that at least he doesn’t work for the Labour Party.

    I’m guessing. ‘Cause I haven’t read the exchange either.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 31, 2016 @ 10:30 am

  10. I have read the NBR article, and you pretty much nailed it.

    Comment by Nick R — March 31, 2016 @ 10:52 am

  11. 7) My guess is that it’s a mix of a) and b). I’ve never doubted Danyl is sincere in his criticisms, but I do think he doesn’t realise that he holds Labour to a much higher standard than any other party – he’s not sufficiently dismissive of them to just write them off as awful like he does the Tories, but he’s not close enough to them to grant them some subconscious slack the way he does with the Greens (although I guess really, given his acknowledgements here and earlier, it’s not subconscious any more). So we get this weird dynamic where he tears into Labour and says that he just wants the best for them and that it’s for their own good – all they have to do is change their leaders constantly and reorganise their internal dynamics to revolve around National’s attack lines, and they’ll win elections (in coalition with the Greens, naturally).

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — March 31, 2016 @ 10:54 am

  12. Also, I wonder if some of the people on the Greens’ campaign committee can help Danyl with his ‘how would a UBI work’ questions? It seems like they might have a perspective.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — March 31, 2016 @ 10:55 am

  13. Why the hell should Danyl be soft on Labour? It’s not like him saying “Labour sucks” actually shifts any voters, and if it makes Labour not-suck, it might result in Labour actually winning elections.

    As a general rule, nothing you say by way of analysis makes the blindest bit of difference to swing voters, unless you are Paddy Gower or Corin Dann, maybe John Campbell and Paul Henry and Audrey Young at a pinch. If you aren’t those people, you aren’t shifting votes, so you may as well be provide proper critiques. And Danyl’s way softer on Labour than Paddy Gower or Corin Dann will ever be!

    Comment by Keir Leslie — March 31, 2016 @ 11:03 am

  14. I haven’t actually listened to the podcast, because time / hurts my ears etc. but I did enjoy reading Rob Hosking’s blow-by-blow write-up of it.

    … At this point matters deteriorated somewhat. Both Mr Hooton and Mr Salmond gave of themselves the view that the other party has an acquaintance with the truth which could be closer and warmer than it is.

    The full exchange is available to listen as a special feature audio above.

    Listeners are invited to supply their own popcorn.

    (FTR, I am a member of the Labour party, ran for them last election, deeply involved in all sorts of party activities, but not the campaign committee.)

    Comment by Deborah — March 31, 2016 @ 11:06 am

  15. Seems a rather rapid rise from joining the Green party 15 months ago to now being a ‘card carrying member’ of the campaign committee. Could it be the ‘soft membership’ of the greens inner circle goes back bit further?

    Comment by ghostwhowalksnz — March 31, 2016 @ 12:31 pm

  16. Congratulations. As a member of the campaign committee, does this mean you’re responsible for Metiria’s tweeting strategy?

    Comment by dpf — March 31, 2016 @ 12:40 pm


  17. Could it be the ‘soft membership’ of the greens inner circle goes back bit further?

    Well, Danyl has said that his friendship with James Shaw goes back “over 20 years” (https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/on-james/), so it’s hardly surprising that the party leadership trusts him somewhat and thinks he may have some value to it. After all, we’re all here on his blogsite reading whatever transient butterfly of sensation flittered across his consciousness this morning, so the boy must have something to him, amirite?

    (Full disclosure – despite appearances to the contrary, I have friends, too.)

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — March 31, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

  18. I admire Danyl’s engagement with party politics. It can’t be easy. I complain about how the Internet hasn’t ver kind to the Left but don’t do anything about it.

    I’m not going to be voting for the Greens anytime soon – I’m too hawkish and pro the TPP – but of all the NZ political sites this is the only one I find stimulating.

    Comment by NeilM — March 31, 2016 @ 12:57 pm

  19. Why do you spend so much energy on criticising Labour?

    I can’t speak for Danyl, of course, but the reality is that we aren’t going to have Green ministers without Labour getting their shit together and winning a lot more votes (especially from non-voters and soft National/NZ First voters).

    And they are not going to increase their share of the votes until they stop:

    a) attacking each other in public
    b) making stupid, unnecessary tweets
    c) musing about potentially adopting very controversial policies without actually doing the numbers first
    d) opportunistic racist dog-whistling
    e) generally looking fractious and disorganised

    Hopefully they can take the likes of Danyl’s criticisms constructively. Because they need some new ideas, their current approach is demonstrably hopeless.

    Comment by Mikaere Curtis — March 31, 2016 @ 1:34 pm

  20. @ dpf – Yes, clearly Metiria’s social media output needs work. I suggest she start pulling ponytails and climbing into cages on breakfast radio. That will restore some dignity to the office of co-leader.

    Comment by Nick R — March 31, 2016 @ 1:39 pm

  21. Congratulations. As a member of the campaign committee, does this mean you’re responsible for Metiria’s tweeting strategy?

    The personal branding of the leaders is outside my purview

    Comment by danylmc — March 31, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

  22. > The personal branding of the leaders is outside my purview

    Sounds like a great idea though

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — March 31, 2016 @ 1:46 pm

  23. “Danyl has said that his friendship with James Shaw goes back “over 20 years”
    So the Greens seem to have come out from their yurts and pole houses, left behind their organic gardens and bicycles with pannier bags, but not their home cider stills and put all their faith in the ‘Wellington beltway’. It can only end in tears

    Comment by dukeofurl — March 31, 2016 @ 1:46 pm

  24. God’s teeth the term “Wellington Beltway” irritates me on so many levels. For a start there isn’t a beltway or anything resembling one. Moreover Wellington’s political insider culture has no resemblance to Washington’s. Can’t we come up with a tired, boring cliche of our own?

    Comment by Bill Bennett — March 31, 2016 @ 2:03 pm

  25. The Greens pride themselves on having principled, evidence based policies. Yet they have a completely anti-science, nonsensical attitude to genetic modification. They seem to get a free pass on this from other parties, presumably because promoting the benefits of this technology is unlikely to be a vote winner (even if it is the principled and evidence based thing to do). I am not sure why political commentators give them a free pass though, maybe there is a dearth of critical thinking in that domain too. I’d love to know whether this issue makes Danyl the scientist at least a little bit uncomfortable with his allegiance.

    Comment by Bill Forster — March 31, 2016 @ 2:08 pm

  26. “God’s teeth the term “Wellington Beltway” irritates me on so many levels.”

    Yep, for sure. Thorndon Bubble is the best alternative so far and has the advantage of being accurate but it hasn’t taken off. However usage of Wellington beltway definitely trending down because it is so lame. This example is the first time I have seen it used without appropriate irony for ages.

    Comment by Tinakori — March 31, 2016 @ 2:11 pm

  27. 1) Mikaere – thank you. What you’re saying should be too obvious to bother saying, but judging by the other comments, apparently not.
    2) Ooh, ooh, Danyl, tell us about the lame requests the Greens made.

    Comment by helenalex — March 31, 2016 @ 2:21 pm

  28. Ooh, ooh, Danyl, tell us about the lame requests the Greens made

    This was a few years back now, possibly around the time Russel suggested Quantitative Easing and they were getting stick about economic credibility, and someone suggested ‘Danyl, couldn’t you write something on your blog about how we stand for a Clean Green Economy?’ Which I didn’t do, because you guys would have mocked me even more mercilessly than you normally do.

    Comment by danylmc — March 31, 2016 @ 2:28 pm

  29. @ bill Bennett and Tinakori

    We do of course have a town belt which provides a backdrop to parliament in the form of Tinakori Hill

    Comment by insider — March 31, 2016 @ 3:00 pm

  30. Considering the Washington Beltway ( inside Interstate 496) has around 6 million people (more people than the entire NZ population), Wellington has a rather a ‘rapetisser’ beltway at that. But since the Rongotai-Newtown-Thorndon-Ngaio axis of evil isnt going to take off any time soon, it will have to do.

    And speaking of rapetissant- the comment form DPF-“As a member of the campaign committee, does this mean you’re responsible for Metiria’s tweeting strategy” rather gives away nationals ‘central committee’ approach to message discipline- have it all pre approved by the Beehive.

    Comment by dukeofurl — March 31, 2016 @ 3:03 pm

  31. Congratulations and thank you for your disclosure – it makes a powerful difference to how one is perceived if one can be honest about one’s dealings, But I have to remark I felt there was a sea-change in your online demeanor which appeared to coincide with Shaw’s election, and I got the impression that you began riding shotgun on some Green Party talking points. I recall that someone leapt to your defense by telling me that you are ‘just a scientist’ so I shouldn’t be too inquisitorial about your motives. My observations aren’t made in a malicious way, and I could be totally wrong in which case my apologies, mind you, only you would know if I am being accurate.

    All that aside, I’m sure yo have discussed it with your own whānau how you may be opening a can of worms too. Because the ethernet is also packed to the gunnels with people who appear to engage in online nastiness because they think their political allegiances justify being a total dick. So I say good luck to you and your family and, well just don’t let the idiots get to you.

    Pop quiz: If you were Danyl who would you worry about most: Slater, Farrar or Prentice?.

    Comment by leeharmanclark — March 31, 2016 @ 7:04 pm

  32. ” It’s not like him saying “Labour sucks” actually shifts any voters, and if it makes Labour not-suck, it might result in Labour actually winning elections.”

    If Danyl’s blogging isn’t going to change the minds of any individual voters, I seriously doubt it’s going to change the minds of any Labour strategists.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — March 31, 2016 @ 8:26 pm

  33. Seriously, Danyl, as a four times daily injector of synthetic human insulin, I’d like to know where you and the Greens stand on GM.

    Comment by Fergus — March 31, 2016 @ 9:02 pm

  34. not their home cider stills

    While we’re getting all precise with our terminology, cider isn’t made in stills.

    Comment by Jake — March 31, 2016 @ 10:11 pm

  35. Seriously, Danyl, as a four times daily injector of synthetic human insulin, I’d like to know where you and the Greens stand on GM.

    And vaccinations too, I know Kevin Hague has done some great work there but was are the Greens policies on them?

    Comment by Cliff Clavin — March 31, 2016 @ 11:25 pm

  36. @19 “the reality is that we aren’t going to have Green ministers without Labour getting their shit together”

    Yep, for any viable left coalition, we all have a stake in the largest party sorting themselves out after so long at sea. Expect comments. Better, respect and listen to em.

    Comment by Sacha — March 31, 2016 @ 11:32 pm

  37. “As a general rule, nothing you say by way of analysis makes the blindest bit of difference to swing voters, unless you are Paddy Gower or Corin Dann, maybe John Campbell and Paul Henry and Audrey Young at a pinch.”

    True but who influences the influencers? Those five would all be pretty solid but for the younger gallery members obsessed with savvy media analysis – Tova OBrien flashes into my mind for some reason – these comments would confirm the scent of blood that Hooton and DPF told them was in the air.

    Comment by Myles T — March 31, 2016 @ 11:32 pm

  38. “Expect comments. Better, respect and listen to em.”

    There’s plenty wrong with Labour, but I don’t think that the Greens have the solution to many of them. I know lots of Green supporters want to see Labour being more electorally successful, I know they also want to see Labour cooperate more with the Greens. But the two don’t necessarily have any connection outside the minds of Greens supporters.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — April 1, 2016 @ 4:34 am

  39. > I know lots of Green supporters want to see Labour being more electorally successful, I know they also want to see Labour cooperate more with the Greens. But the two don’t necessarily have any connection outside the minds of Greens supporters

    Well I can only give my perspective. I voted National at the last 2-3 elections, I potentially might want to vote Labour or Green in future, but I feel like I can’t because I don’t know how Labour, the Greens and NZ First would work together. I don’t know who would be PM, who would be Deputy, who would be in Cabinet, or which policies would be advanced, under a left wing government.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — April 1, 2016 @ 4:49 am

  40. ” I don’t know who would be PM”

    Do you really think that there’s a possibility that somebody other than the Labour leader would be PM under that kind of coalition?

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — April 1, 2016 @ 5:40 am

  41. > Do you really think that there’s a possibility that somebody other than the Labour leader would be PM under that kind of coalition?

    It does seem very unlikely, I should have started my list of uncertainties from the Deputy and worked down.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — April 1, 2016 @ 5:43 am

  42. That seems to have excited the onlookers, Danyl!
    Surprisingly, ‘transparent and open Government’ is one of the principles or kaupapa of the GPANZ that most mainstream commentators get confused about the most.

    Having written for g.blog myself (among many, many others) during the 2008 & 2011 campaigns, I understand fully how the Greens optimise member/volunteer input along with the work done by our paid staff and researchers.

    I’ll be looking forwards with keen interest to the directions decided on by the campaign committee; 2017 is going to be a significant election campaign, it’s the ‘third term end’ point in our electoral cycle, which is the most common time for the NZ electorate to say ‘yeah, nah’ and vote for change.
    Strong positioning from the opposition parties is useful in the run-up to the beginning of the campaign proper six months out from the election.
    Now is the time to be thinking about those meta-issues.

    Comment by anarkaytie — April 1, 2016 @ 6:05 am

  43. Seriously, Danyl, as a four times daily injector of synthetic human insulin, I’d like to know where you and the Greens stand on GM.

    And vaccinations too, I know Kevin Hague has done some great work there but was are the Greens policies on them?

    Amazingly, the Green Party has an entire website, on which it places its policies. You can even use an incredible feature called a “search engine” to look within this website to find information relevant to your query. If you are “genuinely interested”, rather than just trying to troll Danyl, this would seem to be a useful place to start. Because I missed the bit in Danyl’s post where he said “The Dimpost will henceforth be the official place on the web to come and get your Green Party policy advice” … in fact, he pretty much said the opposite.

    Comment by Flashing Light — April 1, 2016 @ 10:18 am

  44. Oh great Green blogger,

    I am a wishy-washy centrist living in Auckland and have an election coming up. I am feeling aggrieved at the policies of Len Brown (right faction, Labour) and figure it is unlikely his successor Phil Goff (right faction, Lab) is going to change any of them. Rent rises are going through the roof, we have a housing shortfall likely to run for decades, nothing is being built in Auckland which is suppressing wage growth and our Labour led council is most pleased to have gifted property price rise after property price rise to our landlords.

    Will the Greens be providing any sort of Left wing alternative? Or will they do the usual and act as apologists for Len Brown/Phil Goff Labour?

    Comment by unaha-closp — April 1, 2016 @ 10:32 am

  45. Flashing light – nice little divert there, as you well know there is nothing , nada , zip about vaccinations on the tower of babel that is Green policy. Healthy communities will do without vaccinations apparently, as its strange to do all those things in the community and health prevention , but don’t mention the V word.

    Comment by dukeofurl — April 1, 2016 @ 10:53 am

  46. unaha-chop, why dont you look for the government as the source of those problems, because their is large area of land that are zoned for housing, but held as land banks, ie it pushes up the value of sections. Your further comments seem to indicate anything about local councils is a total mystery, as their isnt a labour party candidate for mayor but their was a City Vision endorsed candidate ( len Brown). City Vision is a labour -greens group. BUt then you didnt know that either.

    Comment by dukeofurl — April 1, 2016 @ 11:03 am

  47. @Antoine: Surely it’s not reasonable to expect all that to be determined in advance? Given that there’s no way to know what % of the vote each party will get, and handing out cabinet seats and/or policy advice without any reference to that would be hard to justify democratically.

    I think we can assume that the Deputy PM would be the leader of the second biggest party and that’s likely to be the Greens. Beyond that, though, who knows?

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — April 1, 2016 @ 11:07 am

  48. as you well know there is nothing , nada , zip about vaccinations on the tower of babel that is Green policy

    There’s nothing there about cheese either.
    So Danyl, I demand that you tell dukeofurl about the GP’s position on supporting lactose intolerant kids. The people have a right to know.

    Comment by Gregor W — April 1, 2016 @ 11:31 am

  49. @Ortvin: We know _broadly_ how the %s are likely to fall. It should be possible for Labour at least lay down some bottom lines (like ‘in a Labour led coalition, Labour insists on retaining the roles of PM and Finance Minister’ or ‘we would prioritise Labor policies X and Y in its first term, and are also willing to assist with Greens policy Z and/or NZ First policy W, but will not countenance policies U or V”).

    Labour may feel unable to do this or choose not to, which is their call, but in the process they lose my vote and, I suspect, a bunch of others.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — April 1, 2016 @ 11:49 am

  50. > I think we can assume that the Deputy PM would be the leader of the second biggest party and that’s likely to be the Greens

    That is a possibility, but it doesn’t seem certain to me.

    I’d rather be told (by an official source) than have to guess.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — April 1, 2016 @ 11:52 am

  51. @dukeofurl,

    First, if there is nothing about vaccinations on the Greens Policy website, what is the point of asking Danyl (who is not the Green Party spokesperson on health or anything else) what the party’s policy is?

    Second, what information did you glean from the Labour, NZ First, ACT and United Future webpages about their immunisation policies?

    Third, if you actually read the Green Party’s Health Policy, you’ll see it is committed to “Seek and implement recommendations from experts on what evidence tells us about what will work to improve children’s health outcomes.” – See more at: https://home.greens.org.nz/policy/health-policy#sthash.QeC9342z.dpuf

    So, you know, if you want to say “those cray cray Greens will kill our kids with their antivaxxer ideas”, just come out and say it. Because the passive aggressive “I’m just askin'” approach is soooooo boring.

    Comment by Flashing Light — April 1, 2016 @ 11:56 am

  52. DUKEOFAIL, if lots of land zoned for development by Auckland Council is not being developed then it is a failure of Auckland Council who gave the monopoly of supply to those pricks. Perhaps the Auckland Council could break that monopoly by opening up more land. But that would screw up their City Vision of continuing soaring rent rises, wouldn’t it? Their City Vision will never let the rents go down – 6 years of the rent going up and up and up.

    BTW – how many rental properties do you own?

    Comment by unaha-closp — April 1, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

  53. “That is a possibility, but it doesn’t seem certain to me.”

    Who else could plausibly be Deputy PM? The third largest party? Somebody from Labour? To me it goes without saying.

    As for the rest, you’re right, Labour could make unilateral statements ruling out this or that ministry for the Greens or NZF. It probably wouldn’t be the vote winner you’d expect though. And it would piss off both junior coalition partners, who would (quite rightly) say it’s not up to Labour to decide who gets which ministry when they haven’t even had an election yet.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — April 1, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

  54. > Who else could plausibly be Deputy PM? The third largest party? Somebody from Labour? To me it goes without saying.

    I would have thought Labour would want to keep the job in its own hands, so that the leadership of the Government not go to a different party every time the PM is out of the country.

    > It probably wouldn’t be the vote winner you’d expect though

    I’m honestly not sure about that.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — April 1, 2016 @ 12:36 pm

  55. @ 35 cliff calvin
    There is a difference between laboratory based GE medicinal products (insulin, vaccinations) and the introduction of GE plants and animals into natural ecosytems and the food chain.

    Just my view as an insulin dependent Green party member. If insulin producing yeast escapes into the environment and starts causing problems for non-diabetics , I’ll have to re-think that I guess.

    Comment by Corokia — April 1, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

  56. Ortvin. Antoine. It’s pretty clear the next left wing PM of New Zealand will be Winston Peters. At the 2017 election he will have all the leverage and the ability to go either way. I’m picking National will not give in to his demand to be PM but he will clinch the deal with a desperate Labour and Greens. As a gesture of magnanimity he will allow the Greens to enter a formal coalition and become ministers but not Cabinet Ministers. I’m going to love reading the Dim Post under a Peters led government. Ironic really, because if he had only a slightly different personality he could have been a National Prime Minister long ago.

    Comment by Tinakori — April 1, 2016 @ 1:24 pm

  57. “I’m going to love reading the Dim Post under a Peters led government.”
    Well it did endorse Little’s strategic brilliance of gifting Peters Northland without a fight, so I’m picking it would be a bit like a blogging version of a ticker-tape parade. With bunting.

    hahahahahahah

    Comment by leeharmanclark — April 1, 2016 @ 1:33 pm

  58. because if he had only a slightly different personality he could have been a National Prime Minister long ago.

    That’s an interesting what-if scenario, isn’t it?

    If Peters doesn’t get booted from the National cabinet under Bolger, then there is probably no Winebox inquiry in ’94-’97. If there’s no Winebox…

    Comment by Phil — April 1, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

  59. That’s an interesting what-if scenario, isn’t it?

    It sure is, but highly improbable. In the Peters’ dictionary there is an “I” in team. The only team that Winston is interested in is “My” team.

    Comment by Tinakori — April 1, 2016 @ 3:01 pm

  60. Flashing Light, you know why vaccination isn’t mentioned but fluoridation is, because the greens have an anti -science policy approach in this area. Its like Climate change, we ‘dont need to wait for what the evidence tells us’, we need action based on long established science. Yes the questioner was trolling danyl as he clearly knows where you still are a party fundamentally opposed to any progress but are hiding it. It would be interesting to see what the wayback machine does say about that word which isnt allowed to be used: vaccination

    Comment by dukeofurl — April 1, 2016 @ 3:38 pm

  61. “so that the leadership of the Government not go to a different party every time the PM is out of the country.”

    It happened when Jim Anderton was deputy and it wasn’t some kind of disaster.

    “It’s pretty clear the next left wing PM of New Zealand will be Winston Peters.”

    I look forward to being able to say ‘I told you so’ – but let’s face it, like the people who confidently predicted there’s no way Obama could win a second term in 2012 because of the strength of the Tea Party, you’ll doubtless be claiming you never predicted this and will be concentrating on some equally far-flung, equally unlikely future scenario, like how we’ll be a Republic by 2020 or whatever.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — April 1, 2016 @ 5:47 pm

  62. There you go, dukeofurl – don’t you feel better having gotten that off your chest? Now you can enjoy your weekend with a mind at peace.

    Comment by Flashing Light — April 1, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

  63. > It happened when Jim Anderton was deputy and it wasn’t some kind of disaster.

    True but Clark and Anderton knew each other pretty well, I am not sure that Little and Shaw would have the same level of chemistry.

    Anyway, I think my point stands which is that there is uncertainty about what would happen.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — April 1, 2016 @ 11:43 pm

  64. Disappointing amount of concern trolling here from leeharmanclark and others …

    Comment by g2-88f569f5b4080e15f2369597231965b3 — April 2, 2016 @ 10:05 am

  65. Is that the old style broom you are using to sweep vaccinations under the carpet, flashlight?

    Its a little known fact that a partys detailed policies are mostly only read by party activists themselves.
    Thats why the Greens have to dance around the subject of childrens health- only referring to some crystal ball called – wait for what the science tells us. of course it fits that well known pattern, first denial, then silence, then ‘wait until the science is settled’ and then finally acceptance.

    Comment by ghostwhowalksnz — April 2, 2016 @ 10:36 am

  66. Wow, the supreme irony: I get accused of ‘concern trolling’ by someone expressing their ‘disappointment’.

    Comment by leeharmanclark — April 2, 2016 @ 7:56 pm

  67. Tell us more about how little influence you have with the leaders!

    https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2016/03/16/kiwibank/

    Comment by K — April 4, 2016 @ 8:03 am

  68. K, it isnt danyls influence with the Green leadership, its as a mouthpiece for their press releases/ Mps talking points. We see this all the time with Kiwiblog

    Comment by ghostwhowalksnz — April 4, 2016 @ 11:18 am

  69. @FlashingLight I went to the Green policy site and I used the search engine. I couldn’t find anything that answered the question about engineered insulin production. I did find a policy statement about corporate welfare for companies creating smart-phone games. I guess that does seem like a rad idea when you’ve polished off a plate of hash cookies and Fruit Ninja suddenly seems a bit too violent. Bloody bugger though when all that sugar consumed in the cookies and the resulting munchies gives you type-2 diabetes. Still if you’re lucky you might be able to get some medical cannabis and the name of Steffan Browning’s Homeopathist.

    Anyway, sorry if I’ve diluted the conversation http://xkcd.com/765/

    Comment by Robert Singers — April 4, 2016 @ 3:18 pm

  70. Seriously, Danyl, as a four times daily injector of synthetic human insulin, I’d like to know where you and the Greens stand on GM.

    Fellow injector. No need for confusion: Danyl’s a scientist so presumably has no problem with our continued existence; the Green Party as a whole would prefer us to be dead.

    Comment by Psycho Milt — April 5, 2016 @ 6:30 am

  71. Seriously, Danyl, as a four times daily injector of synthetic human insulin, I’d like to know where you and the Greens stand on GM.

    In terms of insulin, I’m interested in some of the analog products coming through that change the pI of the molecules, making them less soluble at a physiological pH reducing the uptake rate – although there are still some issues around dimerisation of the residues. But soon you might only need to inject yourself once a week or so. As for the Greens, I guess they have a position on their web site someplace.

    Comment by danylmc — April 5, 2016 @ 8:09 am


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