The Dim-Post

May 26, 2016

Very brief Budget 2016 note

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 3:22 pm

Busy afternoon here, but glancing over some of the documents and turning into the House for a bit my first impressions:

  • It seems like the budget a Labour government would pass under similar fiscal circumstances
  • The Prime Minister is a ridiculous buffoon who is no longer fit for office.

36 Comments »

  1. but then again you would say that🙂

    Comment by Robert Singers — May 26, 2016 @ 3:25 pm

  2. I deliberately avoided the annual Key faux-comedy show this afternoon. Nothing – not even National policies I dislike – is more depressing in NZ politics than watching sycophants behind him play their prerecorded laughtrack while the rest of us squirm with embarrassment.

    Comment by sammy 3.0 — May 26, 2016 @ 4:07 pm

  3. The Prime Minister is a ridiculous buffoon who is no longer fit for office.

    Quite possibly the best job description for being PM.

    Comment by unaha-closp — May 26, 2016 @ 4:13 pm

  4. “The Prime Minister is a ridiculous buffoon who is no longer fit for office.”

    you’re only noticing this now?

    Comment by torrentshill — May 26, 2016 @ 4:23 pm

  5. That syndrome which cannot be named on this blog strikes again.

    Comment by Tinakori — May 26, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

  6. “That syndrome which cannot be named on this blog strikes again”. So everyone outside the national party must be deranged while the PM is one step away from beatification ?

    Comment by duker — May 26, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

  7. So what suddenly changed? Buffoon changes spots.

    Comment by Mike — May 26, 2016 @ 5:00 pm

  8. “but then again you would say that:-)”

    Danyl basically endorsed Key in 2014.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — May 26, 2016 @ 7:30 pm

  9. Danyl basically endorsed Key in 2014.

    Danyl on August 15, 2014:

    I’ve been on the left for a while. I voted Labour then Green, and I’ll be voting Green again this year. … But these people in National and its proxies are the fucking enemy. … These people shouldn’t be at the heart of our government. They’re a cancer. … Because these people are evil and they Do Not Get to Win.

    https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/dirty-politics-and-consequences/

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — May 26, 2016 @ 8:14 pm

  10. Maybe Ortvin’s classing “these people are evil and the Do Not Get to Win” as a typically Kiwi laconic, backhanded kind of endorsement?

    Comment by Psycho Milt — May 26, 2016 @ 9:03 pm

  11. Andrew Geddis, You are formidable. Touche.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — May 26, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

  12. Danyl you seem to know more about what Labour stands for than Labour does. Well done!

    Comment by peterlepaysan — May 26, 2016 @ 9:07 pm

  13. Andrew Geddis, Danyl also stated:

    “I’m disappointed by the scale of National’s victory and the poor result for the Greens, but I also think we dodged a bullet last night. I think that Cunliffe would have been a very poor Prime Minister, that his party is unfit to govern, and that any Labour/Greens/NZFirst/Internet/Mana coalition would have been an anarchic, unmanageable disaster for the country.

    September 21st, 2014 in the post titled ‘Brief thoughts on National’s historic victory’.

    Thoughts on this? I do think Ortvin has a point, to be fair.

    Comment by Bastiat — May 26, 2016 @ 10:20 pm

  14. > It seems like the budget a Labour government would pass under similar fiscal circumstances

    You mean a Clark/Cullen government? Yes it does have the same moderate centrist feel about it. No surprise as they are both moderate centrist governments.

    (That said, a line by line comparison would no doubt show some pretty big differences from eg Budget 2007.)

    But God knows what budget a Labour/Greens/NZ First government led by Andrew Little would pass, I doubt it would look much like this.

    > The Prime Minister is a ridiculous buffoon who is no longer fit for office.

    Hey, they all act like dorks in the House. Don’t watch Parliament on TV if it gets you down.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — May 26, 2016 @ 10:51 pm

  15. No, that’s not good enough. “Find the off button” is the copy/paste response to people moaning about Game of Thrones or The Bachelor. The Prime Minister’s antics aren’t some take-or-leave it telly tripe.

    It’s become his annual shtick on Budget day, something it certainly wasn’t before. It’s not some essential ingredient of right-of-centre politics, so why should we put up with it? (and “because if you dare criticise you must be deranged” isn’t a rebuttal, it’s a noise).

    Comment by sammy 3.0 — May 26, 2016 @ 11:45 pm

  16. Hey by all means complain, I was just expressing a honest view that your day will be better if you don’t watch our elected representatives capering like monkeys

    Comment by Antoine — May 27, 2016 @ 2:32 am

  17. @Bastiat: Thanks for saving me the hard graft of tracking down that post.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — May 27, 2016 @ 3:36 am

  18. @Ortvin/Bastiat, it seems a fairly uncontroversial opinion that Danyl was expressing? I’m not aware of him having resiled from it since?

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — May 27, 2016 @ 4:03 am

  19. I was just saying I remembered (correctly, as it turns out) Danyl saying it was a good thing National won in 2014. Seems I was substantially correct.

    I didn’t say it was particularly controversial. In fact, given National’s share of the vote, it was clearly the opposite of controversial.

    As for him resiling from it, I have a hard time tracking Danyl’s thinking on this. On the one hand, as Andrew showed us, Danyl thinks Key et al are the enemy and shouldn’t be in government. But he also thinks, as Bastiat showed us, that their staying in government is the best result of all realistic options. It’s kind of hard to see how one could hold both views simultaneously.

    Admittedly those statements were not simultaneous. It’s possible between August and September his views changed significantly. And they may well have changed since. But I remember being quite struck – I won’t say shocked – by the quote Bastiat found. Even though it’s a fairly cynical, backhanded endorsement of Key, it’s still quite unambiguous, particularly for somebody who campaigned against him.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — May 27, 2016 @ 4:21 am

  20. I suppose I assumed Danyl was playing a long game with the end goal being a Green majority government

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — May 27, 2016 @ 5:37 am

  21. [Sorry Danyl for talking about you as if you weren’t here🙂 ]

    Comment by Antoine — May 27, 2016 @ 5:48 am

  22. I think it’s fair to accept that Danyl is not one of J-K’s more sycophantic followers. The only way to get to the bottom of this [Is D-Mac ‘objective’?] question is some kind of graph indicating the numbers of positive v. negative comments Danyl has made about John Key. I fondly imagine how this will look.

    Pointing out when a politician acts like a buffoon – guess it’s a slow news day….

    Heh, ‘D-Mac’ – like a rapper.

    Sorry, Danyl I am aware that you are ‘in the house’…

    Comment by leeharmanclark — May 27, 2016 @ 7:04 am

  23. @Ortvin/Bastiat,

    I guess it comes down to what you mean by “basically endorsed Key”. I took it to mean “told people before the election to vote for Key”, but I can see the alternate reading.

    As for both thinking there are evil elements in National and its enablers (‘though Danyl didn’t expressly include Key in this) and thinking it is still are a better bet than a Labour/Greens/NZFirst/Internet/Mana coalition led by David Cunliffe, doesn’t this default down to Danyl’s usual claim that basic competence is the most important quality in politics? So, Mussolini may have been a bad man, but he got the trains running on time … and until a Green Stalin comes along, he’s a better option than some rag-tag, infighting, basically incompetent amalgam of opposition forces who would make such a bad job of governing that they would destroy “the left’s” credibility for a generation.

    (I exaggerate, for effect … I think?)

    Final note – isn’t it funny how much time we spend trying to parse the musings of some bloke we’ve (or, anyway, I’ve) never met who happens to write stuff on the internet? Modern life really is rubbish.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — May 27, 2016 @ 7:54 am

  24. It’s kind of hard to see how one could hold both views simultaneously. Not at all. He was merely pointing out that when you are being forced to choose between “bad” and “worse”, there’s only one realistic course of action.

    Comment by McNulty — May 27, 2016 @ 8:52 am

  25. Final note – isn’t it funny how much time we spend trying to parse the musings of some bloke we’ve (or, anyway, I’ve) never met who happens to write stuff on the internet?

    Funny too how the most obsessive Danyl watchers seem the most unlikely to follow his forays into creative fiction.

    Comment by Joe W — May 27, 2016 @ 9:02 am

  26. This is a weird thread.

    Comment by RHT — May 27, 2016 @ 9:32 am

  27. @RHT,

    We’ve gone from KDS for DKS (Key Derangement Syndrome for Danyl Kremlinology Syndrome). Just another day on the Dimpost.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — May 27, 2016 @ 10:22 am

  28. “We’ve gone from KDS for DKS” obviously should be “We’ve gone from KDS to DKS”. I hate it when I fuck up my smugly “clever” bon mots.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — May 27, 2016 @ 10:24 am

  29. @Andrew: I had actually misremembered the timing, I thought he made that post pre-election. It is still technically an endorsement, but not in the sense I meant.

    “doesn’t this default down to Danyl’s usual claim that basic competence is the most important quality in politics? ”

    It does indeed, and it’s also a good illustration of the problem with that claim.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — May 27, 2016 @ 10:38 am

  30. > isn’t it funny how much time we spend trying to parse the musings of some bloke we’ve (or, anyway, I’ve) never met who happens to write stuff on the internet?

    I come here because Danyl’s posts are sharp, perceptive, sometimes funny, sometimes scathing, and (at their best) can make me question my political beliefs. (Dimpost has definitely swung my viewpoint leftwards over the years.)

    But I feel like he loses those qualities when he is driven by a partisan agenda. Hence my interest in trying to figure out what that agenda is.

    Many recent posts have just been “f*&k Jonkey and Blinglish” ranting. If that’s what the Dimpost is going to become, I’ll likely give up on it and go read the Standard instead.

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — May 27, 2016 @ 10:53 am

  31. f that’s what the Dimpost is going to become, I’ll likely give up on it and go read the Standard instead.

    If you do that, then the terrorists have already won.

    Comment by Gregor W — May 27, 2016 @ 11:11 am

  32. I wonder if danyl believes there has been much real change in opposition dynamics since he said that ” Cunliffe would have been a very poor Prime Minister, that his party is unfit to govern, and [an opposition] ….coalition would have been an anarchic, unmanageable disaster for the country.”

    Is Little showing any signs of great (or even average) leadership? Is there any sign of increasing opposition cohesion? Not from where I am sitting.

    Being on the greens politburo may mean he can’t say what he really thinks. On the bright side he might be able to put 2017 on his 2014 posts and have a relaxed election year.

    Comment by insider — May 27, 2016 @ 11:28 am

  33. Is Little showing any signs of great (or even average) leadership? Is there any sign of increasing opposition cohesion?

    Well, Little isn’t actively hated by the majority of his caucus, so that’s one pretty important difference! Plus, the absence of Internet/Mana from the math to make 61 makes life easier for some sort of alternative governing arrangements. Plus, as we get closer to 2017, it’ll be interesting to see if the coalition options on the right look any more tidy/manageable than those on the left.

    But anyway – it may all come down to Peters. Joy.

    Comment by Flashing Light — May 27, 2016 @ 11:59 am

  34. The quiet achievers in this budget were the Maori Party, Significant extra funding for Whanau ora and Te Reo. Although part of the government they are not idealogically wedded to National and could easily sit as part of a centre left grouping. The Greens used to say “neither left or right but out in front”and I often think wistfully of what might have been achieved if they had stuck with this pragmatic approach to MMP and been open to being a minor partner in the 49th Parliament….

    Comment by Mik — May 27, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

  35. “The Greens used to say “neither left or right but out in front”

    I don’t know if the Greens knew it but that is almost identical to one of the slogans of the 80s Polish military government.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — May 28, 2016 @ 7:38 pm

  36. > Antoine will flounce if Danyl keeps posting like this

    To be fair, the post ‘Notes on P contamination’ was pretty good

    A.

    Comment by Antoine — May 30, 2016 @ 8:23 am


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